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Old 15-07-2012, 16:43
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that is not fair, she IMO produced some very good solo material, the strongest of all 5 Spice Girls, and unlike the other Spice Girls had not previous to this resorted to reality TV.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:44
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That make's no sense, do you mean another ALW show, as I don't think they'll be recasting Superstar again.

Personally think it's the flop of the Summer by miles, huge hype, Mel C in all the listing mags, the Moyles story still not making it anything above average. I doubt Lloyd-Webber comes cheap either. Other shows may have done worse, but I can't think of one with the hype this year.
They could try another ALW show as 3 million is acceptable for ITV1 in summer. I do think if this was promoted hard in BGT week and started immediately afterwards, then ratings could be 5 million.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:47
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Channel 4
21:00 The Million Pound Drop Live 1.39m (6.9%) (+1: 177k/1.1%)

Channel 5
21:00 Big Brother 869k (4.2%)
Just saying.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:49
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Missed The Games did you?
possibly

ok so Superstar has put a massive blemish on the only slightly tarnished name of Mel C.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:52
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Missed The Games did you?
She broke her leg in a judo contest, so she won't forget that in a hurry.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:52
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They could try another ALW show as 3 million is acceptable for ITV1 in summer. I do think if this was promoted hard in BGT week and started immediately afterwards, then ratings could be 5 million.
I suppose so, but I have a feeling ITV wanted a hit in it's own right here, not just some show that could do well on something's coat-tails.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:53
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She broke her leg in a judo contest, so she won't forget that in a hurry.
I missed that however.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:54
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She broke her leg in a judo contest, so she won't forget that in a hurry.
Yeah, I quite liked the Games, it had a competitive-ness about it, wonder if they thought about bringing it back with the Olympics.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:57
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Yeah, I quite liked the Games, it had a competitive-ness about it, wonder if they thought about bringing it back with the Olympics.
It was a good show and Mel C, who has some martial arts background, was doing really well in the judo until she was thrown badly and was injured.
It does seem like a good idea to have kept this show up for Olympic years.
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Old 15-07-2012, 16:58
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Before we call Superstar a flop, do we know the budget for it? If it's getting a quarter of the ratings that The X Factor does, then I would hope that the budget is a quarter of The X Factor.
I think we are agreeing that the rating expected for a primetime entertainment show, means that Superstar is a flop, 4m+ each night would be adequate, 5m would be a success, 6m would be very impressive.

Superstar 2.89m (14.8%) at 8pm (+1: 124k/0.6%).

Pointless Celebrities 2.98m (20.3%) at 5.30pm
I think that comparison makes it clearer how disappointing Superstar is rating, 90,000 less viewers than a tea-time quiz made on a comparably shoestring budget.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:04
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I think we are agreeing that the rating expected for a primetime entertainment show, means that Superstar is a flop, 4m+ each night would be adequate, 5m would be a success, 6m would be very impressive.



I think that comparison makes it clearer how disappointing Superstar is rating, 90,000 less viewers than a tea-time quiz made on a comparably shoestring budget.
Than a tea-time quiz repeat.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:15
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It is a shame about Superstar because it is a decent show. ITV have actually taken the BBC format and improved on it.

Similarly, look at the figures for Primeval, though this has been the best series of that show and it is actually more watchable than a lot of recent Doctor Who has been.

So expectation of what ITV on Summer Saturday means has to be a factor. Not quality, per se.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:29
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It is a shame about Superstar because it is a decent show. ITV have actually taken the BBC format and improved on it.

Similarly, look at the figures for Primeval, though this has been the best series of that show and it is actually more watchable than a lot of recent Doctor Who has been.

So expectation of what ITV on Summer Saturday means has to be a factor. Not quality, per se.
I don't think Superstar's that bad, Jaycee, and maybe the soap lead ins could help it. Also I agree with you on Doctor Who, the last series was awful.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:32
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It is a shame about Superstar because it is a decent show. ITV have actually taken the BBC format and improved on it.

Similarly, look at the figures for Primeval, though this has been the best series of that show and it is actually more watchable than a lot of recent Doctor Who has been.

So expectation of what ITV on Summer Saturday means has to be a factor. Not quality, per se.
In a sense, ITV only have themselves to blame. They abandoned quality for cheap shoddy programming in the mid 2000s and the viewers voted with their remotes. Now they're going to have to do more than just air 'quality' programming to get viewers back. People don't trust them anymore to not air rubbish - and frankly last summer did not help with this image. Superstar is not really losing any viewers; it didn't have anyone watching to start off with.

And which prat thought airing a Sports Quiz against the Olympics was the way to go???

BBC One had a very steady night with a set of decent ratings considering they aired an old film, a cheap quiz show, a never ending hospital drama and a comedy repeat. dad's Army is relatively consistent performer for BBC Two and ITV3's figures boosted ITV as a network. The Million Pound Drop did well but it must be in danger of over exposure by now - Davina's popping up more than she used to while presenting Big Brother. Talking of Big Brother, that's a poor rating but the Saturday night ratings have always fluctuated and with such a big episode tonight it could well bounce back.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:35
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I'll take your word that Bill Turnbull is an "absolutely demented football fan" - don't see it myself and he's certainly not as established a fan in the public eye as Chiles was prior to his BBC Sport days.
Not only is he a massive Wycombe fan, he also commentates on them every week for the club website.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:35
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Does anybody have the figures for The Hollow Crown and Twilight from last night, please?
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:49
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BB is well past its sell by date and hardly anyone watches it. Also it takes up a big chunk of Channel 5's budget and can never really be repeated. As I've said before, the money saved on BB could be spent on a big sports contract that would really up Channel 5's game.
I sort of agree with you on Superstar, I think ITV were hoping for double the audience, but it's not a total write off and could be run next summer. Maybe running it between the Cowell shows every Saturday and with a fair bit of promotion during BGT week would help.
Oh Glenn. We know by now that you and various others in here hate Big Brother. You don't have to tell us every day. Can't we keep it ratings related please?

The difference between the two shows is, Big Brother is still rating above average for C5 whilst Superstar is below average for ITV1. C5 has no other successful entertainment programmes whilst ITV1 has several, albeit now showing signs of age.

Also in BB's core demographic, data for which we rarely get but is crucial for advertising, it compares more favourably with the other channels.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:51
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I doubt Sophie Raworth or Jane Hill have been counting down the days till the Olympics coming to Britain long before London bid for them though - it really should be the BBC Sport team leading those Olympic Countdown programmes.
Simple problem here: The Olympic Opening Ceremony (and all that leads up to it) is as much a news event as it is a sports one. Brekkie, I know you hate that and simply won't accept it - but it's an undeniable fact of the modern Olympics.

Think about the content of these countdown shows: interviewing crowds, commentating on the people carrying the torch, discussing last minute preparations, and asking how ready London is for one of the biggest logistical challenges it's ever faced. In what way would John Inverdale (much as I like him) be more qualified to cover these issues than news presenters? If they were going to spend these countdown shows previewing the actual sport, then I'd agree with you - but that blatantly won't be the case.

Presenters shouldn't be chosen based on how much they love the Olympics, or how much they just couldn't wait for them to arrive - it should be based on the expected content of the show. And the content of this show is news heavy. Sport faces will I'm sure, be involved as appropriate - but there's way more to this than sport. Remember how out of his depth Paul Dickinson was on the Jubilee Pageant...?

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Rather obvious failure to make any ratings related comment with any of the above... Not a whole lot to say about Saturday night other than to wince at what Superstar is going to do to ITV's numbers. Really not sure why a decent established format is failing so badly. I never thought it would be a big hit (it never was) but I expected it to be reasonable and stable. It can only be to do with the channel more broadly at this time of year.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:52
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Oh Glenn. We know by now that you and various others in here hate Big Brother. You don't have to tell us every day. Can't we keep it ratings related please?

The difference between the two shows is, Big Brother is still rating above average for C5 whilst Superstar is below average for ITV1. C5 has no other successful entertainment programmes whilst ITV1 has several, albeit now showing signs of age.

Also in BB's core demographic, data for which we rarely get but is crucial for advertising, it compares more favourably with the other channels.
886,000 is nothing to crow about. Even Geordie Shore, behind a paywall, gets 800,000 now.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:52
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That make's no sense, do you mean another ALW show, as I don't think they'll be recasting Superstar again.

Personally think it's the flop of the Summer by miles, huge hype, Mel C in all the listing mags, the Moyles story still not making it anything above average. I doubt Lloyd-Webber comes cheap either. Other shows may have done worse, but I can't think of one with the hype this year.
Good point about Mel C. She was on the front of The Sun's new-look TV magazine yesterday, and probably the Mirror equivalent too. There was also a 2 page spread in one of the tabloids today.

So it's managing to secure a fair amount of press, but it's not helping the numbers.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:56
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886,000 is nothing to crow about. Even Geordie Shore, behind a paywall, gets 800,000 now.
You're comparing a series high official rating to a series low overnight rating. Got to be one of the most ludicrous comparisons ever made in here.

I'd love to see what the overnight series low for Geordie Shore would be if it was broadcasting every single night of the week for 9 and a half weeks, including Saturday nights when a lot of its target audience are out on the town. Maybe then your tedious little comparison might just might have an ounce of credibility.
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Old 15-07-2012, 17:57
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In a sense, ITV only have themselves to blame. They abandoned quality for cheap shoddy programming in the mid 2000s and the viewers voted with their remotes. Now they're going to have to do more than just air 'quality' programming to get viewers back. People don't trust them anymore to not air rubbish - and frankly last summer did not help with this image. Superstar is not really losing any viewers; it didn't have anyone watching to start off with.

And which prat thought airing a Sports Quiz against the Olympics was the way to go???

BBC One had a very steady night with a set of decent ratings considering they aired an old film, a cheap quiz show, a never ending hospital drama and a comedy repeat. dad's Army is relatively consistent performer for BBC Two and ITV3's figures boosted ITV as a network. The Million Pound Drop did well but it must be in danger of over exposure by now - Davina's popping up more than she used to while presenting Big Brother. Talking of Big Brother, that's a poor rating but the Saturday night ratings have always fluctuated and with such a big episode tonight it could well bounce back.
ITV 3 and 4 are quite good, Fudd, and are steadily growing, but I do agree the main channel is a mess and ratings in single figures are a disgrace. But rather like Rover found out, if you're selling a bad product, no one wants to know.
However, tonight the soaps should pull in 6-7 million viewers, but it is worrying they are overdependent on these.
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Old 15-07-2012, 19:09
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dont forget this is another example of ITV poaching from the BBC, and Superstar could only have been worse if it was presented by Miss Christine "Daybreak" Bleakley herself. However much this series cost, this is a flop, and further more has ruined the good name of Mel C.

Lets face it ALW BBCs shows had, had their day, and ITV incompetence led to them poaching him, and now ITVs scheduling incompetence has killed the show.
Although I agree ITV's scheduling has done the show no favours it isn't so much about them poaching ALW - it's more that they had already poached the people ALW worked with at the BBC, so he moved with them.

I also think Mel C might be the only one to come out of this with any credit - definately the front running Spice girl now next to be linked to The X Factor panel.

Yeah, I quite liked the Games, it had a competitive-ness about it, wonder if they thought about bringing it back with the Olympics.
It worked because for once the celebs had to compete and it wasn't a popularity contest. It ultimately got axed I think when Celeb BB became an annual fixture on C4 but I do think it had life in it - I'd have liked to have seen a Winter version, and I think it is a show C4 could do weekly rather than stripped across the week.

Simple problem here: The Olympic Opening Ceremony (and all that leads up to it) is as much a news event as it is a sports one. Brekkie, I know you hate that and simply won't accept it - but it's an undeniable fact of the modern Olympics.

Think about the content of these countdown shows: interviewing crowds, commentating on the people carrying the torch, discussing last minute preparations, and asking how ready London is for one of the biggest logistical challenges it's ever faced. In what way would John Inverdale (much as I like him) be more qualified to cover these issues than news presenters? If they were going to spend these countdown shows previewing the actual sport, then I'd agree with you - but that blatantly won't be the case.

Presenters shouldn't be chosen based on how much they love the Olympics, or how much they just couldn't wait for them to arrive - it should be based on the expected content of the show. And the content of this show is news heavy. Sport faces will I'm sure, be involved as appropriate - but there's way more to this than sport. Remember how out of his depth Paul Dickinson was on the Jubilee Pageant...?
It's all to do with knowledge - the likes of Inverdale, Balding and Irvine aren't having to fake their knowledge in the games, and though I agree the content isn't sport specific it isn't news specific either. You all know my opinion on this and others will completely disagree but I really think the build up to the games has been very low key on the BBC, with special programmes restricted to the fringes of primetime at best and key moments in the torch relay getting nothing more than a glorified News Channel special.
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Old 15-07-2012, 19:14
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I also think Mel C might be the only one to come out of this with any credit - definately the front running Spice girl now next to be linked to The X Factor panel.
I would rather she didnt
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Old 15-07-2012, 19:28
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That's just a blip for Big Brother, it will recover, you don't go from 1.51m for an eviction to 870k for no reason. It will be at 1.4m tonight or over anyway. Either that, or people are annoyed that a certain someone is still in that ****ing house.
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