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Old 15-07-2012, 19:34
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Excellent performance from ITV2/3/4 beating BBC2/3/4 all day share yesterday.

And star performer ITV3 beating Five in all day share and beating Five and BBC2 in primetime and drawing with Channel 4.

ITV4 going great guns too. They need to extend the TdF coverage to the entire stage asap to build on their strong ratings in daytime.

Not posting or reading much at the moment, less is more sometimes
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Old 15-07-2012, 19:38
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quite a bit of drama going on at the Tour De France, maybe cycling is finally getting the break it needs as a sport
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Old 15-07-2012, 20:23
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Excellent performance from ITV2/3/4 beating BBC2/3/4 all day share yesterday.

And star performer ITV3 beating Five in all day share and beating Five and BBC2 in primetime and drawing with Channel 4.

ITV4 going great guns too. They need to extend the TdF coverage to the entire stage asap to build on their strong ratings in daytime.

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ITV1's current sales pitch to their advertisers.
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Old 15-07-2012, 20:35
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ITV1's current sales pitch to their advertisers.
Predictable as always. Seems to me it has been holding up as well this summer as last summer with growth from the Euro's in June.

Reading some of the stuff here is to have a glimpse into what it must be like in an old folks home and hearing the same guff repeated over & over. Someone complaining that ITV! scheduled a repeat of a sports quiz at 11.05pm on a Friday night against the Olympics As if the 11-12pm slot has suddenly become a key battleground.
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Old 15-07-2012, 20:59
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Predictable as always. Seems to me it has been holding up as well this summer as last summer with growth from the Euro's in June.

Reading some of the stuff here is to have a glimpse into what it must be like in an old folks home and hearing the same guff repeated over & over. Someone complaining that ITV! scheduled a repeat of a sports quiz at 11.05pm on a Friday night against the Olympics As if the 11-12pm slot has suddenly become a key battleground.
I know it isn't a key battleground as such but surely logic says to air anything but sport against one of the biggest sporting (or linked to sport) moments of the year?
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Old 15-07-2012, 21:05
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I know it isn't a key battleground as such but surely logic says to air anything but sport against one of the biggest sporting (or linked to sport) moments of the year?
When discussing ITV with GeorgeS, logic doesn't come into it.
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Old 15-07-2012, 21:09
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ITV line up is much stronger then BBC1, but doesn't get the ratings it deserves because as I said before ITV is for the young and BBC for the old.
You can say it however many times you want but it isn't true. Look at the demographic info posted earlier in this thread. Even Antiques Roadshow gets more young viewers than most ITV programmes.
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Old 15-07-2012, 21:11
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Predictable as always. Seems to me it has been holding up as well this summer as last summer with growth from the Euro's in June.

Reading some of the stuff here is to have a glimpse into what it must be like in an old folks home and hearing the same guff repeated over & over. Someone complaining that ITV! scheduled a repeat of a sports quiz at 11.05pm on a Friday night against the Olympics As if the 11-12pm slot has suddenly become a key battleground.
What is it with certain people in this thread and their inability to accept any remotely critical comment or innocent joke about their beloved favourite TV channel?

Me, I'm a BBC fan but by no means do I believe the organisation is above criticism. (BBC1 - too much soap, too much One Show, not enough adventurous TV. Although, given that its last piece of adventurous TV was the abysmal Planet Earth Live, maybe that's a good thing.)


As for the scheduling of the sports quiz. Yes, the 11pm hour is not very important to ITV1, especially when the Olympic Opening Ceremony is on, but it's still not the sort of scheduling decision likely to give any concerned ITV1 fan much reassurance that the channel is in safe hands. (Obviously those ITV fans who think everything the channel does is god-like genius won't be worried in the slightest.)


On the other hand, maybe with ITVs 2, 3 and 4 serving their target audience so well, ITV bosses are quite happy for 3m to become the default audience for ITV1 light entertainment shows.
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Old 15-07-2012, 21:35
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Good deflection George S, well played
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Old 15-07-2012, 21:48
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Predictable as always. Seems to me it has been holding up as well this summer as last summer with growth from the Euro's in June.

Reading some of the stuff here is to have a glimpse into what it must be like in an old folks home and hearing the same guff repeated over & over. Someone complaining that ITV! scheduled a repeat of a sports quiz at 11.05pm on a Friday night against the Olympics As if the 11-12pm slot has suddenly become a key battleground.
Try living in the Border region until about 1988, they went off air most nights at 11.15. One night we had News at Ten followed by the SNP conference report and then zilch. I suppose this was one way the BBC and Channel 4 could dominate the ratings north of Kendal.
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:22
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I know it isn't a key battleground as such but surely logic says to air anything but sport against one of the biggest sporting (or linked to sport) moments of the year?
C4 are just as stupid - commission eight supposed Olympic specials of The Million Pound Drop and schedule six of them during the Olympics. Even the host wasn't willing to do them during the games so they are all pre-recorded. (Live in a 10pm slot with a few questions about the days events might just have worked!)

It is a difficult call for ITV and C4 whether they should continue business as usual or just surrender - but the problem is both seem to have already pretty much surrendered for the summer, C4 especially who despite launching a new repeats channel now have more repeats in primetime (certainly 10pm onwards) than I can remember from the last decade or so. I guess that's what you get from a "creative renewal".
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:27
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C4 are just as stupid - commission eight supposed Olympic specials of The Million Pound Drop and schedule six of them during the Olympics. Even the host wasn't willing to do them during the games so they are all pre-recorded. (Live in a 10pm slot with a few questions about the days events might just have worked!)

It is a difficult call for ITV and C4 whether they should continue business as usual or just surrender - but the problem is both seem to have already pretty much surrendered for the summer, C4 especially who despite launching a new repeats channel now have more repeats in primetime (certainly 10pm onwards) than I can remember from the last decade or so. I guess that's what you get from a "creative renewal".
No, for all I love the Olympics, ITV and Channel 4 should provide an alternative for the millions that aren't interested. Now this makes me sound old but ITV provided a very valid alternative in 1976 with Rich Man, Poor Man, which achieved very good ratings.
Obviously glossy American mini series have long since departed, but I think the two main commercial broadcasters should provide a decent alternative. Also would I be right in saying CBB starts during the Olympics?
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:40
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C4 are just as stupid - commission eight supposed Olympic specials of The Million Pound Drop and schedule six of them during the Olympics. Even the host wasn't willing to do them during the games so they are all pre-recorded. (Live in a 10pm slot with a few questions about the days events might just have worked!)

It is a difficult call for ITV and C4 whether they should continue business as usual or just surrender - but the problem is both seem to have already pretty much surrendered for the summer, C4 especially who despite launching a new repeats channel now have more repeats in primetime (certainly 10pm onwards) than I can remember from the last decade or so. I guess that's what you get from a "creative renewal".
I still don't understand why ITV1 didn't hold Millionaire? back for the Olympics and just strip it across the three weeks. It would be light-hearted enough for the non-Olympic fans to follow and for Olympics fans to drop into during a quiet moment when they're talking in the studio on BBC One.

As for Channel 4 - that's stupid as well but I suppose the quiz basis is still there. They should've had the Olympics first running into the normal run which could've aired across the Olympics. They could've also planned a couple of new dramas from 10pm (which could be watched on +1 at 11pm once Olympic action had finished).
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:42
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No, for all I love the Olympics, ITV and Channel 4 should provide an alternative for the millions that aren't interested. Now this makes me sound old but ITV provided a very valid alternative in 1976 with Rich Man, Poor Man, which achieved very good ratings.
Obviously glossy American mini series have long since departed, but I think the two main commercial broadcasters should provide a decent alternative. Also would I be right in saying CBB starts during the Olympics?
I think BB13 finishes on August 6th (something like that) with CBB starting the night after though I'm not one hundred per cent sure.
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:46
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Excellent performance from ITV2/3/4 beating BBC2/3/4 all day share yesterday.

And star performer ITV3 beating Five in all day share and beating Five and BBC2 in primetime and drawing with Channel 4.
The trouble is, in two weeks time the main channel effectively becomes ITV3 which takes away that benefit, slicing ITV3's share in half and not doing much for ITV1's share either.

C5's Saturday performance leaves a lot to be desired right now as unlike ITV3 their offering is not consistent enough in who they are trying to target and there isn't enough meat to the bone. They're not quite getting away with old westerns by day, a show for 20 year olds by night.

Next week is a new week and they will look to turn things around with the last ever season of CSI: Miami set to premiere. But lessons need to be learned for next year.
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:50
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I think BB13 finishes on August 6th (something like that) with CBB starting the night after though I'm not one hundred per cent sure.
No chance of it launching during the Olympics IMO.

It'll be the same week as last year, w/c 13th August.
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:57
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I still don't understand why ITV1 didn't hold Millionaire? back for the Olympics and just strip it across the three weeks. It would be light-hearted enough for the non-Olympic fans to follow and for Olympics fans to drop into during a quiet moment when they're talking in the studio on BBC One.
That would have been ridiculous, running a live show to run opposite the Olympics, nobody connected with the prodution bar the person in the chair would want to be involved, they'd probably struggle to get full audiences in the studio. The only people who would want to see that are those who like to talk about Millionaire's ratings in comparison with those of the 1998 series.

At least running repeats gives an idea at what ITV are aiming for.
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Old 15-07-2012, 22:58
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The trouble is, in two weeks time the main channel effectively becomes ITV3 which takes away that benefit, slicing ITV3's share in half and not doing much for ITV1's share either.
Shares will be allover the place, like on Christmas Day, during the Olympics anyway, so ITV1 turning into ITV3 and ITV3 being hit won't have any long term effect.
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Old 15-07-2012, 23:01
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That would have been ridiculous, running a live show to run opposite the Olympics, nobody connected with the prodution bar the person in the chair would want to be involved, they'd probably struggle to get full audiences in the studio. The only people who would want to see that are those who like to talk about Millionaire's ratings in comparison with those of the 1998 series.

At least running repeats gives an idea at what ITV are aiming for.
Pre-record it as live then, like they're doing with The Million Pound Drop? Though, in fairness, I can understand the logic behind ITV1's approach even if I don't fully agree with it.
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Old 15-07-2012, 23:26
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I'm still confused why ITV don't want to repeat Downton Abbey on ITV1. Would be the perfect opportunity to repeat it across two weeks on there at 20:30/21:00.

I can only assume the repeat fees for that are significantly higher than with other programmes.
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Old 15-07-2012, 23:41
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You'd think as well they'd have started a few series, whether factual, drama or otherwise, after Euro 2012 running for six weeks or so but getting a 3-4 week head start on the Olympics. I wouldn't run Downton night after night myself but I would repeat it weekly, though whether it would hold up like I think Doc Martin does on repeats or flop like Call the Midwife I don't know.
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Old 15-07-2012, 23:48
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I'm still confused why ITV don't want to repeat Downton Abbey on ITV1. Would be the perfect opportunity to repeat it across two weeks on there at 20:30/21:00.

I can only assume the repeat fees for that are significantly higher than with other programmes.
However, it would still get decent audiences as there's not much else recent they could repeat, unless they do it in tandem with Lewis and Vera.
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Old 16-07-2012, 00:24
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You can say it however many times you want but it isn't true. Look at the demographic info posted earlier in this thread. Even Antiques Roadshow gets more young viewers than most ITV programmes.
Im young and watch more BBC1 than ITV1 and actually there's a lotof shows ITV would kill for (EastEnders,Dr who for Example)
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Old 16-07-2012, 00:27
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Do 'young' people watch tv in the morning? Aren't they at school/college/work/socializing/in bed?
This. If im off work im likely to be in Bed and when up i don't really watch Daytime TV anyway.

I will say Minus Doctors and BBC News ITV1 has the better Daytime Line up but surely most of that skews old?

A bit on NEXT Mondays EastEnders
It's going to feature a Birth being done LIVE

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/e...l-play-1144275
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Old 16-07-2012, 01:24
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No chance of it launching during the Olympics IMO.

It'll be the same week as last year, w/c 13th August.
That would make more sense; it would give them time to sort the House out as well. I bet the production team didn't like having only 24 hours last year!

I wonder what BBC One and ITV1 have lined up after the Olympics for weeknights? Does anyone know? Obviously Doctor Who and The X Factor will be the draws at the weekend from late August.
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