Tonight ITV1 will be in control for 90 minutes again. Also I think moving CS back to its traditional Wednesday slot will help.

The ITV Doodle bug strikes again. Fascinating.

Ken

Andy Murray and Euro 2012 final ensure ITV1 suffers ratings woe
Wimbledon late finish and popularity of BBC's football coverage hands ITV1 worst weekend's ratings for at least a decade

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...bledon-ratings

It does seem the more praise ITV get, the more thrashed by the BBC they are.


Even worse, he's now a commentator - and about as interested in the game unfolding as Gary Lineker appeared to be at the prospect of hosting the Olympics.

Yet in six weeks time we'll be discussing whether 10 or 11 million people watched TXF. ITV1 seems to have all its big guns ready in the autumn and there is the ITV November when they have DA, TXF, IAC in the same schedule.
IAC in particular is solid for ITV1 and 2 with the follow up show.

Strong figures for the football in total - despite the peak naturally coming well before the end of the match. The way the game panned out wasn't conducive to great numbers, but they were there anyway.

As far as the split is concerned, well I am a bit surprised. Of course, we know the BBC will always waltz it - but considering the reception and the decent performance of ITV during simulcast national events over the past couple of years, I did expect a slightly better performance than previous finals. Wasn't to be. I wonder whether not having a semi really hurt them there... From the England - Italy game onwards, the BBC basically took possession of the tournament and no-one was going to turn back to ITV then.


Thing is, people say that every single summer. Then, when September rolls around, X Factor is back on air, Downton arrives on a Sunday, a couple of big dramas pin down the weeknight slots, and the soaps start to rise once more. Then, all of a sudden, the channel looks like the one to beat again.

It does get steadily worse each summer, for sure - and this year will be a particularly bad because of the Olympics. But the channel ain't dead - just hibernating.

Ah, and indeed you make many of these points yourself in the post above.

In 2008, I was in Rhodes, watching the Euro champs on telly in a bar, on the bar across the street was several seconds ahead of us. Very distracting.

As foe the BBC ITV split in viewers, ITV completely lost momentum with no semi final, I suspect that quite a few didn't know it was on ITV. Of course BBC will always heavily beat ITV head to head but not as comprehensively as this.

I said seems to be as I know come the autumn and they'll be doing well. However, they just seem to lose their way in the summer now.
Yet from a business point of view, they can afford to take a hit in the summer as this is when audiences are at their lowest. However, the nightmare scenario would be if their autumn hits start to tail off, as already this year DOI was badly hit by a strong BBC drama. Who's to say the BBC won't have a massive hit that could harm TXF?

You sound like Churchill.




Ken

I doubt if anything could harm the X factor. Like Strictly, they are too strong. DOI still performed with over 7m even though the strongest drama of the year was against it

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Surely time is approaching when BBC One and ITV1 start airing the finals exclusively rather than simulcasting them (say one broadcaster has a Euro and World Cup final, then the other broadcaster has a Euro and World Cup final etc.)? Those figures are embarrassing for ITV1 even if the sister channels performed well. Big Brother held up better than I expected - possibly assisted by the match being almost over come 9pm; indeed BBC Two, Channel 4 and Channel 5 all held up reasonably well across the evening.

None of these points have anything to do with last night's ratings, and very little to do with Saturday's ratings either.

If both channels were running normal summer schedules and the ratings came out as they did then you might have a point but that wasn't the case.

Why must you insist on discussing the ratings in the most generic terms every time. Is this what we can look forward to every day during the Olympics?

ITV don't usually have great summer ratings apart from when Britian's Got Talent airs. Like you said it's the Autumn when ITV get their big ratings and wheel out their hits. BBC1 should do better in the Autumn but they generally don't because, apart from Strictly, nothing really gets double digit millions for them regularly. They usually have to wait until Christmas for a few more big ratings.

Also it should be noted that just as Downton Abbey, The X Factor and I'm A Celebrity get big ratings so do big events when the BBC & ITV screen them. In all of those cases people choose to watch rather than being mindless sheep.

That was the all-day share (rounded). ITV Media said it was the "2nd lowest Saturday all time share ever", the absolute lowest presumably being two Saturdays before, 16 June, with 9.0% inc +1.

Possibly,though, Auntie will leave TXF alone and Casualty does OK for the anti audience, but you never know what can happen. No one predicted the success of CTM and it wiped 2 million off the DOI audience and killed off WAH. It shows that viewers still prefer a well made drama to a cheesy reality show.

He's posted the same thing again just now.

It wouldn't be anything to do with

a) His show is on the BBC
b) Piers Mogan's is on ITV
c) One of his businesses is involved in selling advertising that aren't on TV.
c) He's involved in Youview?

Still seems odd how someone so commercially minded would be so against adverts. I suppose they will have to scrap that task in The Apprentice now then!

Well tonight could be interesting.Will they move Murray on to centre court,and if they do will the beeb dump its new drama? Could be an intersting evening.Another possible headache for the planners.

I don't think they like to move people from court to court mid match.

And its true that ITV ratings were affected by the Tennis, but I don't see anyone making a case for them because we all know this thread is anti ITV and pro BBC!

Let's see what excuses come out when BBC's own flop zone on Thursday's continues should be pretty interesting reading the excuses the next day.

I see ITV Media haven't quite got the concept of 'spin'.

Interesting statistics from Broadcast w/e 24th June.

BBC ONE's all-day Year-To-Date share, like all the terrestrials, has been trailing behind 2011. But for the week ending 24th June it's all-day share is now exactly the same as 2011. Full stats below with 2011 figures in brackets:

BBC ONE - 20.77 (20.77)
BBC TWO - 6.18 (6.79)
ITV1 - 16.43 (16.95)
C4 - 6.64 (6.95)
C5 - 4.37 (4.46)

And we've got the Olympics to come. What's the betting BBC ONE's 2012 share will beat 2011?

Source: Broadcast

We do have our ITV fans in here - they're hardly outnumbered 6:1 (to take a ratio at random )

Is that excluding +1?

Broadcast says "Figures include HD and +1 where applicable" so I'm assuming it includes C5+1.

So you're telling me that ITV should be getting less than two million against seven million opposition?

Okay.