Keep the lists coming and Murder, Mystery and Suspense was a successful themed set of thrillers and mystery movies from America that ITV got some very good ratings for.

ITV's new programming isn't doing badly on Thursdays though.

Lol, I thought something was wrong there! Who was I thinking of...

ITV1 doing badly on Tuesday/Saturday with new shows - BBC1 doing badly on Thursday with repeats.

BBC's Coverage throughout the Euro's was much better than that of ITV's Imo.
I saw a lot of comments from sports fans saying how ITV shouldn't be allowed anywhere near sport and it seems Adrian isn't all that popular either

Yep, the CBBC channel. I don't know why but earlier on Wikipedia, the final episode of Tracy Beaker Returns showed a viewership of 1,756,000 viewers, and on BARB it said 659,000, as DS said 568,000. Is BARB always reliable?

Maybe football coverage isn't very good, but their lesser sports on ITV4 have some very good coverage.

I was thinking on every day, not just Thursday.


Digital Spy/Attentional = overnight ratings
BARB = official ratings, including timeshift

And Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, so unreliable in this case.

BBC1 have had a few new shows flopping on Thursdays recently though, such as Planet Earth Live, the Griff Rhys Jones walking thing, National Treasures Live etc. ITV's Saturday flops are mainly on the fringes of primetime (Primeval, Mad Mad World) or repeats (Harry Potter, Poirot). You Cannot Be Serious and The Talent Show Story have been their only new primetime Saturday flops this year. Can't argue with Tuesdays, mind.

Fair enough, although Tuesday is their only real flop night (this year at least). Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays have all been good with no notable new flops (even Titanic only properly flopped for 2 weeks). Thursdays had Eternal Law at the start of the year but have been fine other than that and new content on Saturdays has been OK other than the 2 shows I mentioned in my above post. Tuesdays have obviously been awful though. They haven't had a bad year at all really though - a couple of rough days with mainly repeats and the Euro final doesn't really change much in the long run, so this whole ITV1 is dying, BBC1 is 'the people's channel' stuff today has been rather bizarre to say the least.

I would say BARB is more reliable than Wikipedia!

Maybe they were adding in BBC1 same-week repeat ratings to get to that high figure.

Looking at those Wiki ratings for Beaker, odd that the final series dipped as it went along, and ended on a bit of damp squib - perhaps the quality was not up to much?

To this day actually!

The Wikipedia entry may have included repeat showings + iPlayer. Beaker gets around 700k online hits per episode.

In the days of only 4 channels dominating and multi-channel TV being in its infancy movies were a big deal.

I liked both channels. ITV was blokey banter & professional, BBC were serious and professional. The BBC's musical compilations like the Thriller one were very good though. People moan about ITV coverage but they can't hate it that much if they still get big ratings for some Champions League and FA Cup matches.

Other web sources say it was on Friday 19 June 1987. Youtube video here if anyone wants to endure half an hour of it again...


Well, I've found Scottish listings for that night, and they had the royal romp airing from 7.40 to 9.00, after Wogan.

Anyway, STV had on: 7.00 Through the Keyhole, 7.30 Valentine Park: a new sitcom from Central starring Liz Smith among others; 8.00 Matlock: fairly new US legal drama; 9.00 Drummonds: LWT drama set in a boys' boarding school in the 1950s, starring Richard Pasco, whose credits also include Morse and Hetty Wainthropp Investigates.

No idea how any of that rated (probably not well for the bits that went against the Knockout) or indeed which bits were networked.

In what way was the BBC's coverage better Dan?

Why should ITV not be allowed near sport, in the context of Euro 2012?

Strange one from the BBC On Wednesday...

DiY SOS-Repeat 7:30pm-8:30PM
EastEnders 8:30PM-9:00pm

I thought Corrie was an hour or something. Cant see it rating well at 8:30 seems out of the way too me and Midsomer would have got 30mins head start on it (with Corrie lead in too)

Just Noticed Emmerdale and EastEnders clash tomorrow night also with Emmerdale on 7-8 EastEnders from 7:30

one point to make about Tuesday's is at least at 9pm they are showing quality factual that flops, rather than cheapo reality stuff that flops. Tomorrow's documentary probably won't do well but it won't be ridiculed as a joke 'lowest of the low/scraping the barrell' etc

For me...I don't like Adrian and i just feel the BBC are better with these 'Events'I quite liked their use of Music aswell. Regarding the post about ITV not being allowed Near sport that's just people's reviews i've read and not mine personally.

But hey we all have different opinions and have things we prefer to others
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There doesn't appear to be enough information there to make much of a judgement, IMO. I saw one format in development in the US (for Oxygen, I think) which had people learning how to sing and dance so as they could break big news (like proposals) to loved ones through song. That sounds awful!

Bravo worked on a format where some woman helped rich men plan spectacular proposals. I think for ITV they'd be looking at more of a story - something a bit schmaltzy fronted by Davina! Not sure how they'd get the woman involved without making it blindingly obvious!

Also not sure that they'd make 44 minutes out of it. Maybe in a half hour slot it could work or if they did multiple couples per episode? It's one of those things that will be down to what exactly they do with it but I don't think doing a show about proposals (or weddings) is automatically awful. Although it may well turn out that way. Odds are it lands on Tuesdays at 8pm and bombs!

They probably need some female skewing fact ent series for that Wednesday 8pm hour (unless they try a new "soap"-like drama). And with Long Lost Family doing well on Thursdays (and Piers on Fridays) I can see them looking for "personal story" based series to occupy those slots at other times of year.

Hear, hear, I imagine if quality factual pulls in 200,000 on BBC Four, probably a tenth or less of what it would get on ITV1, it would still be classed as a success by some people. I do think factual is one area ITV1 has improved in and I quite enjoy The Lakes and The Dales.

Fox did Mobbed, which was an excellent show, and an hour per episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWlavnM6b0

This new ITV show sounds like a bit of a rip-off of that. Although ITV did do a similar thing with Philip Schofield in the mid-2000s during summer which was a total flop.

But when viewers are offered a choice of BBC and ITV covering the same match the BBC wins 6-1

The Marriage on BBC1 in 1986 got 16m - the ITV1 show sounds similar.