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The Ratings Thread (Part 37)
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C.M.W.
09-07-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“BBC One Scotland
12:55 - Wimbledon 2012: 1.3m (72.2%)
* peak: 1.7m (~94%)”

94% !!!

As there ever been a higher share for anything ???
dubsj
09-07-2012
Very good start for Sinbad - thought it was excellent. Should consolidate to 2.5m?
Glenn A
09-07-2012
This 94 pc peak share in Scotland for the tennis yesterday was excellent, I can only think of higher audiences when Scotland only had one channel and that's over 50 years ago.
1.7 million equates to about a third of the Scottish population, which shows how Murraymania has gripped the country and what was once a fairly obscure sport in Scotland has become as big as football.
iaindb
09-07-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“BBC One Scotland
12:55 - Wimbledon 2012: 1.3m (72.2%)
* peak: 1.7m (~94%)

Source: BBC”

Originally Posted by C.M.W.:
“94% !!!

As there ever been a higher share for anything ???”

The 94% share is not mentioned in the article (unless it's been edited since D.M.N quoted it). D.M.N appears to have calculated that figure based on the 72% average share but that assumes the same number of people were watching TV all day which won't have been the case.
D.M.N.
09-07-2012
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“The 94% share is not mentioned in the article (unless it's been edited since D.M.N quoted it). D.M.N appears to have calculated that figure based on the 72% average share but that assumes the same number of people were watching TV all day which won't have been the case.”

Correct.

Even so, Scotland's a small country, so you're still looking at high 80% region.
Score
09-07-2012
Pretty poor for Superstar last night. It's heading for flop territory now unfortunately. A pity as it isn't a bad show at all. Terrific peak for the Murray match and great return for Wallander.

I'm surprised at how low the Nation's Favourite Number 1 was too. It was an entertaining show although a weak offering for a Sunday at 9pm on ITV1. The thing that set it apart from similar shows on C4/C5/BBC3 for me was that the talking heads discussing the songs weren't the usual Z-listers, but genuine stars like Noel Gallagher, Kylie Minogue, Brian May & Roger Taylor, Gary Barlow and a load more. It really made a difference and that's why I feel it deserved a bit more than it got. ITV Summer entertainment does seem doomed though. Next year (I probably said this last year too) a decent enough Saturday schedule would be:

18:00 - You've Been Framed
19:00 - Celebrity Chase
20:00 - All Star Mr & Mrs
21:00 - Best of An Audience With...

Would at least be above 3 million all night.
sn_22
09-07-2012
Originally Posted by C14E:
“The Murray match did predictably well although I think we could have seen 20m if he had stayed in the match a bit longer. Quite incredible how few watched The French Open (or any other tennis) but show up for Wimbledon.”

Amazing, isn't it? As you say, the French Open just a month ago might have featured Murray in the final - and if it did, we'd probably be looking at an audience of maybe 3-4m at best.

If I was a pollster, I'd be asking 1000 people today: "Are you interested in Tennis?" - and comparing the answer to two weeks ago. I bet the difference would be incredible. The BBC can take plenty of credit because the wall-to-wall coverage makes it hard to avoid (and the All England Club seem wise enough to recognise that) - but there's also something about the event that just drags in people who would never have intended to get involved.

Which is also why I'm convinced the Olympics will be a resounding ratings success - not just the ceremonies, but the sport too. It's like Wimbledon - but even rarer, and even more consuming. It might take a few days or a week to drag in the uninitiated - but it'll roll like a snowball once it's going.

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“That's if they qualify as BBC and ITV must dread a world cup where no home nations are playing as in 1994 as for all ratings were reasonable, interest was far more muted than if England or Scotland had qualified.”

We've sort of faced this situation already with Euro 2008. And on the whole, ratings were good. Not as strong as 2004 or 2012 - but still way, way above channel averages and more than justifying the coverage.

Interest these days would far outstrip 1994 as well, because of the number of foreign players who are now so familiar to audiences via the Premier League and Champions League. The rest of the footballing world isn't the mystery it once was - and British fans seem happy to get behind more than their own teams.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Channel 5 (+5%), BBC (+3%) and ITV (+1%) overall all increased their market shares year-on-year - this was the fourth month out of the last five that Channel 5 have been up y-o-y. Channel 4 (-9%) was the only major broadcaster to slip vs. June 2012. In terms of terrestrial channels, BBC1 was up an impressive +10% vs. last year, helped by big events like the Jubilee, Euro 2012 and Wimbledon. C5 was down -2% compared to last year or even up +5% with +1 included, Big Brother being one of the contributing factors here as it started in June. ITV1 (-5%) C4 (-13%), BBC2 (-17%) were all down vs. a year ago.

The BBC's most improved digital channel vs. one year ago was BBC4 (+33%), although its 0.8% share was the channel's joint lowest monthly share so far this year. All other BBC digital channels fell slightly apart from BBC News (+11%). For ITV: ITV2 (+7%), ITV3 (+29%) and ITV4 (40%) all showed strong growth, but CITV (-25%) did drop compared to the previous year for the first time since February 2010. For Channel 4, E4 (flat) and Film4 (+7%) continued to do well, but More4 (-14%) fell for a sixth month running. 4Music is also not having the best time at the moment, with it down -25% for the third consecutive month. Over on Channel 5, 5* was flat while 5USA (+10%) got its joint best ever monthly share.”

The start of a big three months for BBC One. July should be up strongly too, and August will, I expect, be pretty ridiculous.

The drops for BBC Two this year have been pretty hefty. With BBC One relatively stable and the digital channels growing very slowly, thats the main reason for the BBC's overall fall. It's not a trend I can see reversing anytime soon, either. They're still sacrificing big shows like MOTD2 to One, and the cuts will probably hit the channel hardest. If the BBC to continue to push the channel upmarket (and in a way, I hope they do) then they'll have to take far more of those 'Hollow Crown' style ratings for that sort of content.

I'm pleased to see C5 on the rise and the ITV network is doing well to make up much of ITV1's lost ground. I still don't really see the strategy for C4, beyond trying to drag yet more repeat value out of their lifestyle stuff thanks to 4Seven. The whole 'creative renewal' ought to have made it to the screen by now, and I honestly can't remember seeing anything that resembled it....
Roscoe Barnes
09-07-2012
Wow! Some excellent numbers for the tennis and almost at 17m too! We've had some huge numbers recently what with the Jubilee, Euros and now Wimbledon. And next its the Olympics turn to pull in some big numbers.

Superstar is dying already. It's not going to be pretty when it goes live and daily. Wallander returned with a 1m more than I was expecting. Emmerdale and Corrie didn't do great - but these random Sunday episodes never seem to tbh. Although Corrie pulled in a huge +1 figure. It clearly a case of viewers not realising its on.
RobbieSykes123
09-07-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“BBC One Scotland
12:55 - Wimbledon 2012: 1.3m (72.2%)
* peak: 1.7m (~94%)

Source: BBC”

Were the pubs all shut?

Or had the chippies run out of Mars bars to fry?

Glenn A
09-07-2012
I wouldn't so much think Superstar is dying, I just think it's one of these shows that will rumble on with little public interest and ratings, while not a complete disaster, will still be poor.
Would ITV1 ever consider pulling a show half way through if its ratings were really poor as I do remember them axeing the navy drama, Making Waves, for poor ratings( even if the drama was quite good) in the noughties and pulling Brighton Belles in the nineties as it was just terrible and a ratings flop.
C14E
09-07-2012
Thanks to D.M..N and Rzt for the huge volume of information posted today!

ITV’s multi-channel growth really is outstanding – and this is an area of the business which is already profitable for them. It’s also more than enough to make up for the declines on ITV1 which surprised me as I would have thought the football would bring about a better result – unless BGT ran into June last year (can’t remember!). ITV2.3 and 4 added 1.2% to their combined share, up more than 20%.

Channel 4, which I think had been doing OK through the first few months of the year, seemed to have a poor month although recent ratings have been encouraging. They do seem to be pulling content from 10pm – more repeats creeping in there. And E4 is falling further behind ITV2. On the other hand, Channel 5 going steady.
Brekkie
09-07-2012
Originally Posted by Score:
“I'm surprised at how low the Nation's Favourite Number 1 was too. It was an entertaining show although a weak offering for a Sunday at 9pm on ITV1. The thing that set it apart from similar shows on C4/C5/BBC3 for me was that the talking heads discussing the songs weren't the usual Z-listers, but genuine stars like Noel Gallagher, Kylie Minogue, Brian May & Roger Taylor, Gary Barlow and a load more. It really made a difference and that's why I feel it deserved a bit more than it got. ITV”

It is completely in the wrong slot though - it really is Friday or Saturday fodder. It's also been done so many times before we don't really need to see it again.
Dancc
09-07-2012
The Voice U.S. bombed in Australia last night with only 669k. Same channel and timeslot as extremely successful domestic version.

http://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS/stat...60639602425857
mlt11
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by C14E:
“ITV’s multi-channel growth really is outstanding – and this is an area of the business which is already profitable for them. It’s also more than enough to make up for the declines on ITV1 which surprised me as I would have thought the football would bring about a better result – unless BGT ran into June last year (can’t remember!). ITV2.3 and 4 added 1.2% to their combined share, up more than 20%. ”

Absolutely.

In June 2012, per rzt, the total audience of ITV2/3/4 was 45% of the ITV1 audience.

Now look at the costs. We don't have the detail for 2012 but for the 2011 year as a whole, the total schedule costs of ITV2/3/4 were just 13% of the ITV1 schedule costs.

Pretty extraordinary.
Gutted Girl
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by happy tv:
“I loved the ALW shows on BBC. I watched Superstar on Saturday night and just felt that it was a cheaper looking version of the old show. Amanda Holden's voice is also very annoying. Wait until she starts presenting, that should whittle it down to a million viewers less.”

I agree completely. I wanted to watch this and only lasted until the first ad break. Amanda Holden's narration made me want to put my foot through the TV and I can't afford a new one so I switched over.

Also why the hell is Dawn French a judge?
i4u
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Would ITV1 ever consider pulling a show half way through if its ratings were really poor as I do remember them axeing the navy drama, Making Waves, for poor ratings( even if the drama was quite good) in the noughties and pulling Brighton Belles in the nineties as it was just terrible and a ratings flop.”

Back in 2005 a programme sort of got pulled...

Quote:
“High-profile ITV show Celebrity Wrestling has been dropped from schedules after poor ratings.”

Quote:
“The show began on 23 April with ratings of 3.8 million and a 21 % share of the audience but lost viewers week on week.”

Quote:
“ITV will be pinning its hopes on its next big reality TV show Celebrity Love Island, which begins on 16 May.”

Superstar has to run its course to the final, I suppose they could decide to shorten the stages to the final.

Another ITV classic was Mr Right..

Quote:
“But after beginning in a peak 2100 slot, it was moved later and later, ending up at 2300 and pulling an average 1.5 million viewers.”

jake lyle
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Amazing, isn't it? As you say, the French Open just a month ago might have featured Murray in the final - and if it did, we'd probably be looking at an audience of maybe 3-4m at best.
...”

I doubt it would be that low, his 2010 Australian Open Final appearance had a peak of 6.3m and nearly a 50% share at 11am on BBC ONE. Coverage averaged 4.3m despite starting at 8am.

Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Absolutely.

In June 2012, per rzt, the total audience of ITV2/3/4 was 45% of the ITV1 audience.

Now look at the costs. We don't have the detail for 2012 but for the 2011 year as a whole, the total schedule costs of ITV2/3/4 were just 13% of the ITV1 schedule costs.

Pretty extraordinary.”

Thats a pretty silly way to judge their actual cost. As you're not taking into account the fact that both ITV2 & 3 rely heavily on ITV1 content and how they benefit from cheap digital repeat fees.
Shut ITV1 down today then ITV3 would have no content in 4 years and ITV2 would have no XtraFactor/IACGMYH/Gameshows/Benidorm/JeremyKyle/soaps. Their annual 'schedule costs' are far from being their actual cost to ITV as a whole.

Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Pretty extraordinary.”

It really isn't, the same thing happens with C4. Which is why their launching 4seven to further exploit their content.
jake lyle
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by Gutted Girl:
“ Amanda Holden's narration made me want to put my foot through the TV”

It really is awful

Originally Posted by Gutted Girl:
“.
Also why the hell is Dawn French a judge?”

I know and she is replacing Mel C in the live shows which is extraordinary as Mel is about the only good thing on the show.
Cent
10-07-2012
Superstar only has a few weeks left, it's over before the Olympics.

And it was never going to get a second series anyway. Andrew Lloyd Webber's not going to be running arena tours annually. This was a one-off summer filler.
JCR
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Back in 2005 a programme sort of got pulled...”

In 1999 ITV remade US sitcom That 70's Show, calling it Days Like These, they produced 13 episodes but only 10 were ever shown on tv.
mlt11
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Thats a pretty silly way to judge their actual cost. As you're not taking into account the fact that both ITV2 & 3 rely heavily on ITV1 content and how they benefit from cheap digital repeat fees.
Shut ITV1 down today then ITV3 would have no content in 4 years and ITV2 would have no XtraFactor/IACGMYH/Gameshows/Benidorm/JeremyKyle/soaps. Their annual 'schedule costs' are far from being their actual cost to ITV as a whole.”

Of course the ITV digital channels couldn't exist in their current form without ITV1 and the archive - that's blindingly obvious.

But it doesn't change the fact that, GIVEN the existence of ITV1 and the archive, the digital channels are massively profitable.

Of course there will be issues of cost allocation - a "spin-off" programme obviously couldn't exist at all without the "main" programme and there will (again obviously!) be issues re how costs are allocated between the two.

But if you think all of the above issues are such that it is "silly" to even look at these numbers perhaps you should tell ITV rather than me. ITV has produced the numbers and presented them to the City so presumably they think looking at them is of at least some value / interest.
i4u
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by Cent:
“Superstar only has a few weeks left, it's over before the Olympics.

And it was never going to get a second series anyway. Andrew Lloyd Webber's not going to be running arena tours annually. This was a one-off summer filler.”

Could the stage show be pulled due to lack of interest for the TV show?
Cent
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Could the stage show be pulled due to lack of interest for the TV show?”

I doubt it. This was something they were doing anyway. The TV show is just additional promotion for it that won't hurt it.
ftv
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by JCR:
“In 1999 ITV remade US sitcom That 70's Show, calling it Days Like These, they produced 13 episodes but only 10 were ever shown on tv.”

I seem to remember an ITV drama about a warship which was axed after a couple of shows thus creating some sort of record for ITV. The notorious Heil Honey I'm Home on the old BSkyB was axed after one episode although two had been made.
The Full Sparky
10-07-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“This 94 pc peak share in Scotland for the tennis yesterday was excellent, I can only think of higher audiences when Scotland only had one channel and that's over 50 years ago.
1.7 million equates to about a third of the Scottish population, which shows how Murraymania has gripped the country and what was once a fairly obscure sport in Scotland has become as big as football.”

It's not as big as football. It's Andy Murray pulling in the audiences, rather than tennis. In much the same way as in the rest of Britain Wimbledon is a draw but tennis isn't.

I should also add that tennis is just as popular as in England - and that was the case before Murray.
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