I think Channel 5 should scrap this show now, it's well past its sell by date and only the hardcore, obsessive fans bother with BB. CBB might have a future, but BB is brown bread and even its biggest supporter, The Daily Star, rarely has it on the front cover.
However, as for Superstar, I think 3 million is its natural limit. It's not a total write off and I think ITV should consider running it next summer as a lot of their other offerings have struggled to reach 2 million.

Yes I thought it looked odd:


Around 17.76m were watching tv for the duration of Indy, YBF share was probably nearer 14%.

You want BB scrapped based on a bad Saturday rating, or personal opinion of the show?

Superstar is a massive disappointment, it is under-performing terribly. Let us monitor the live show this coming week - finishing at 10:30pm and see how the share holds up.

ratings aside for a moment, what a lovely show title for our modern celebrity obsessed age.

ITVs rating are predictable, the BBC is steady but lack a big hitter. Doctor Who and the Daleks (coming soon to Channel 5 ) should help with that.

Big Brother fans can't defend that shocking rating!

ITV line up is much stronger then BBC1, but doesn't get the ratings it deserves because as I said before ITV is for the young and BBC for the old.

I mean how many of the young want to watch rubbish like Cash In The Attic and Homes Under The Hammer of a morning?

Do 'young' people watch tv in the morning? Aren't they at school/college/work/socializing/in bed?

Everyone on tv is a celebrity, you may well be too young to recall Celebrity Squares & Blankety Blank, Celeb quizzes have been around since the year dot, also What's My Line which was cheap and cheerful.

I recall Blankety Blank, but you cant deny that we have alot of pointless celebrities today?

BB is well past its sell by date and hardly anyone watches it. Also it takes up a big chunk of Channel 5's budget and can never really be repeated. As I've said before, the money saved on BB could be spent on a big sports contract that would really up Channel 5's game.
I sort of agree with you on Superstar, I think ITV were hoping for double the audience, but it's not a total write off and could be run next summer. Maybe running it between the Cowell shows every Saturday and with a fair bit of promotion during BGT week would help.

Anyone know what The Hollow Crown got last night?

I doubt Sophie Raworth or Jane Hill have been counting down the days till the Olympics coming to Britain long before London bid for them though - it really should be the BBC Sport team leading those Olympic Countdown programmes.

Adrian Chiles did well on Olympic Breakfast four years ago and actually the fact he wasn't so clued up on many of the sports worked in his favour back then. I'll take your word that Bill Turnbull is an "absolutely demented football fan" - don't see it myself and he's certainly not as established a fan in the public eye as Chiles was prior to his BBC Sport days.

My main issue with the BBC coverage is Mischal Hussain hosting the morning slots when she hasn't hosted any live sporting programme for the BBC in the past - indeed the only thing Olympic related I've seen her do was the opening of the Aquatics Centre, and there she was more reporter than presenter - although that said the people the BBC are billing as leading each slot are in most cases actually only the secondary studio presenter as this year it is more about who hosts what rather than who hosts when.

We had them in 1970s & 1980s, we just didn't see them on ITV2/C5 in such numbers like we do in 2012 - they used to get BBC1/ITV1 primetime shows - Little & Large, The Krankies anybody? I am all for variety and choice for viewers, just because I can't stand a show - there's no reason others should.

IIRC they did it for some flop last summer as well? I think it's perhaps as much a case of it not being important enough to justify moving Corrie three times in one week.

Before we call Superstar a flop, do we know the budget for it? If it's getting a quarter of the ratings that The X Factor does, then I would hope that the budget is a quarter of The X Factor.

ITV 2 might be youthful, but ITV1 shows like CS and Emmerdale trend old. Also there is still a small group of viewers who grew up with ITV in the fifties and sixties and rarely watch anything else.
BBC 1, I will admit, does trend older, but EE, DW, and Merlin trend young.

that group of viewer wont exist once the currently group die, no TV channel will have that group in a 20 to 30 years, in 40 years no TV channel will have viewers who predisposed to watching TV when they were young.

Must say terrible for Big Brother even though it was a Saturday.

That make's no sense, do you mean another ALW show, as I don't think they'll be recasting Superstar again.

Personally think it's the flop of the Summer by miles, huge hype, Mel C in all the listing mags, the Moyles story still not making it anything above average. I doubt Lloyd-Webber comes cheap either. Other shows may have done worse, but I can't think of one with the hype this year.

Did they make the right call over The Cube by not promoting what happened to viewers?

It was not really news, given that Phil Schofield revealed the outcome on This Morning weeks ago, immediately after recording this episode, and several newspapers (eg The Sun) carried the beating the cube result as a news item.

But who was going to realise without reminders even if they saw the above that it was THAT episode last night?

Had they promoted it as a big win in trails would they be accused of spoilering their own show for those in the dark or would it have increased the audience?

Also curious as to what happened to the Olympians never seen. They started the show clearly saying there were two or three taking part and then ran just with Mo as the only contestant screened. Nothing was said at the end about the others getting their chance on a second show. Or were their charities left high and dry after Mo won £250,000? Just thought viewers would be left wondering like I was.

I can see why they kept it as just the Mo show and could not have followed it with another athlete contestant on the same night presumably not doing as well. But I just wondered over the editing leaving the viewer asking needless questions.

Exactly, most younger viewers have no great loyalty to the two main broadcasters in the same way the majority of this age group don't back the two main parties. However, I do know people who are big sports fans who mostly only watch Sky Sports.

I suspect it would be even less than that.

I didn't realise either it continues next week - takes Saturday and Sunday off for some reason then continued Monday to Wednesday in a 9-10.15pm slot, so if nothing else one thing this show will have in it's favour is it'll be pacey.

dont forget this is another example of ITV poaching from the BBC, and Superstar could only have been worse if it was presented by Miss Christine "Daybreak" Bleakley herself. However much this series cost, this is a flop, and further more has ruined the good name of Mel C.

Lets face it ALW BBCs shows had, had their day, and ITV incompetence led to them poaching him, and now ITVs scheduling incompetence has killed the show.

What, she's a Spice Girl, what good name

but that loyalty is not the same as the loyalty to BBC or ITV, it loyalty to football, if Sky Sports lost the football, do you really think those fans would remain loyal?

Football fans need to hype up Sky Sports, pretend that its a gift from the footballing gods, so they can kid themselves its worth the money they pay Sky sports.

that is not fair, she IMO produced some very good solo material, the strongest of all 5 Spice Girls, and unlike the other Spice Girls had not previous to this resorted to reality TV.