[Glowbot]

Originally Posted by whydoiwatch

Nevermind... I was chiefly talking about the USA. Also, when I lived in London, I used to run on athletic track near Wormwood Scrubs on my lunch break. There is no more free access for swimming, and unless I'm mistaken, nearly every city has a park, with grass. You don't need expensive trainers to run, you just need feet. But you knew that.

You don't need trainers to run? even through Wormwood scrubs with bare feet? nonsense.

[whydoiwatch]

Originally Posted by Glowbot

You don't need trainers to run? even through Wormwood scrubs with bare feet? nonsense.

You knew exactly what I meant. I'm not playing today.

[nanscombe]

Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu

Maybe you should have quoted him in the beginning then, no mention of it being a taboo subject in:
I wonder how well the article would have been received if it were a White athlete bemoaning any "alleged" genetic advantages of Black athletes?

No, just a Black athlete saying that they (Black athletes) do well because they may have a superior gene.

Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu

Don't know where the bemoaning came from either.

The flip side of the article would be a white athlete moaning that white athletes are disadvantaged by not having the superior gene.

Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu

You could have just asked why it's apparently a taboo subject in the states, couldn't you.

I imagine it's taboo because it involves perceived inequalities between black and non-black (white) athletes and the history that goes with such black vs white people issues in The States.

Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu

I still think your aim is to have a moan though.

Yeah. I'm moaning at you.

[darkisland]

Originally Posted by Andy2

But that is not the DM's fault. They have merely reported what he said.

There's isn't such a thing as flawed opinion.
Flawed reasoning, logic, argument, concept etc certainly - but not flawed opinion.

[Glowbot]

Originally Posted by whydoiwatch

You knew exactly what I meant. I'm not playing today.

No I don't because you talk rubbish. If you think you don't need to buy trainers to be an Olympic runner then you are mistaken.

[Chester666666]

Originally Posted by darkisland

There's isn't such a thing as flawed opinion.
Flawed reasoning, logic, argument, concept etc certainly - but not flawed opinion.

opinions can be flawed when not accurate factually etc

[whydoiwatch]

Originally Posted by Glowbot

No I don't because you talk rubbish. If you think you don't need to buy trainers to be an Olympic runner then you are mistaken.

Dude, whatever. I'm not playing today.

[academia]

Originally Posted by skp20040

Its been said for a long time that in general black athletes are better at lower body strength sports and white athletes are better at upper body strength sports, its all to do with the body form or something. I dont see anything racially sensitive in it at all,

It's connecting race to genes that is dynamite.

[cultureman]

Originally Posted by academia

It's connecting race to genes that is dynamite.

What about the current predisposition of Afro-Caribbeans and Afro-Americans towards high pressure compared to Caucasian populations?

This is also thought to be a result of the slave trade. Only those slaves with high BP survived the journey on the ships to the slave plantations and were then able to survive the extreme adversity of the work thereafter.

I would term that, like the noticeable ability in sprint athletics, a genetic inheritance occasioned by environmental factors. I wonder how long until the "right on" are able to get over the article of faith, hang-up they have that nothing can ever be due to genetics?

[Mr.Humphries]

How about athletes from the USA and Canada having better doping resources than their counterparts? Eastern European athletes were considered superior in the 70's and look what happened to them. It's all about the laboratory, not the physique. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. It is plain and simple. Drugs.

[cultureman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Humphries

How about athletes from the USA and Canada having better doping resources than their counterparts? Eastern European athletes were considered superior in the 70's and look what happened to them. It's all about the laboratory, not the physique. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. It is plain and simple. Drugs.

But since both American blacks and whites have equal access to performing enhancing drugs it shouldn't give their blacks an unfair advantage over their whites?

It doesn't explain why blacks are demonstrably faster.

[Mr.Humphries]

Originally Posted by cultureman

But since both American blacks and whites have equal access to performing enhancing drugs it shouldn't give their blacks an unfair advantage over their whites?

It doesn't explain why blacks are demonstrably faster.

Perhaps the drugs will work better on more developed physiques. If there were white athletes who were as developed as their black kith and kin maybe the drug companies would make them an offer they couldn't refuse. I would assume that black athletes would be more accepting of the extra income as athletics doesn't bring in as much money as other sports where there are a large participation of black athletes i.e. Grid Iron Football, Baseball. I doubt if any West Indian cricketers dope judging by their recent performances!

[Prince Monalulu]

OK the show is on now on Ch4, lets see what the sensible FM's think of his theory.

[KJ44]

Originally Posted by Prince Monalulu

OK the show is on now on Ch4, lets see what the sensible FM's think of his theory.

It's as I expected when I first posted about the programme as opposed to the DM msinterpretation.

Well done Channel 4.

Of course, it's a cracking advocacy of eugenics.

[Prince Monalulu]

Originally Posted by KJ44

It's as I expected when I first posted about the programme as opposed to the DM msinterpretation.

Well done Channel 4.

Of course, it's a cracking advocacy of eugenics.

Only half way through the recording.
Looks like I was right not to read the DM article then.

[Sun Tzu.]

Black people in general are stronger than White people, so in terms of running they will be quicker too as they will have more power in the legs.

[swingaleg]

Interesting programme..........

The gist of the argument was that the slave population was selected for its health and strength. The weak and infirm were left in Africa

Not only that but within the healthy strong ones who were selected, the weakest half of them died before they reached the Americas

So there was a pinch point of 'natural selection' where the black population of the Americas started again from a position where almost the whole population were fit, healthy and strong.

But further to that..........

As Africa has housed humans longer than anywhere else there is a much greater degree of genetic diversity within Africa than there is in the rest of the world. As eskimo and an Australian aborgine are more closely related genetically than groups within africa are to each other

As Africans were taken as slaves indiscriminately and then mixed together indiscrimately in the Americas the African-American has a wider genetic palette from which tom draw favourable characteristics

That appears to be the gist of the 'genetic' argument

Trouble is that it's impossible to distinguish genetic from cultural influences

As that guy said towards the end..........do Jamaicans dominate the sprint events because they're descended from slaves or is it because sprinting is the national sport and every kid in the country wants to be a sprinter and trains from an early age to run quick?

It's pretty impossible to be certain about nature vs nurture

[MrHoppy]

Seems like a reasonable theory. Easiest test would be to compare slave descended guys from the ones that got left behind.

I've also alsways wondered whether Australians have a criminal predisposition.

[jzee]

Originally Posted by MrHoppy

Seems like a reasonable theory. Easiest test would be to compare slave descended guys from the ones that got left behind.

I've also alsways wondered whether Australians have a criminal predisposition.

Could diet not play a part also? I'm not sure how west or central African diets compare to US or Jamaican?

[Mr.Humphries]

Originally Posted by swingaleg

Interesting programme..........

The gist of the argument was that the slave population was selected for its health and strength. The weak and infirm were left in Africa

Not only that but within the healthy strong ones who were selected, the weakest half of them died before they reached the Americas

So there was a pinch point of 'natural selection' where the black population of the Americas started again from a position where almost the whole population were fit, healthy and strong.

But further to that..........

As Africa has housed humans longer than anywhere else there is a much greater degree of genetic diversity within Africa than there is in the rest of the world. As eskimo and an Australian aborgine are more closely related genetically than groups within africa are to each other

As Africans were taken as slaves indiscriminately and then mixed together indiscrimately in the Americas the African-American has a wider genetic palette from which tom draw favourable characteristics

That appears to be the gist of the 'genetic' argument

Trouble is that it's impossible to distinguish genetic from cultural influences

As that guy said towards the end..........do Jamaicans dominate the sprint events because they're descended from slaves or is it because sprinting is the national sport and every kid in the country wants to be a sprinter and trains from an early age to run quick?

It's pretty impossible to be certain about nature vs nurture

I think my 'Better Chemist' theory holds sway here. It is the quality of drugs, not the muscles that count.

[MrHoppy]

Maybe the reason black people can't swim real good is that those who could jumped out of the boat.

[Thomas007]

We'll all be coffee coloured eventually so I don't know what everyone is complaining for.

[Chocdoc]

Originally Posted by MrHoppy

Maybe the reason black people can't swim real good is that those who could jumped out of the boat.

Of course they can bloody swim.

And evolution - genetics - takes a lot longer than the few hundred years that black people were slaves in America to have any noticable difference.

It wasn't a good program it was a pile of wank.

[Prince Monalulu]

Originally Posted by MrHoppy

Maybe the reason black people can't swim real good is that those who could jumped out of the boat.

The fact that they were chained kinda bolloxes that joke.

[exlordlucan]

White men are better darts players.