[Doghouse Riley]

Caught a bit of this changing channels after watching the Triathlon.
Complaints about Spoilers, sorry I meant Trailers, at the end of episodes giving away the plots in forthcoming episodes of serial dramas.
The usual "We're right, the viewers wrong, 'cos we know best" response.

So no change there then, eh?

At least they did admit it was "ratings chasing" to get additional viewers, "far more important than not upsetting the existing viewers," I guess..

[hallc]

Drat missed it again, it should have regular time slot..

[62]

Even worse was the smugness of Elliot Reed attempting to defend the repugnant 'Snog Marry Avoid'.

It came across that he was reading a prepared statement.

Why aren't they subject to the same sort of robust questioning that Ann Robinson uses on Watchdog or Paxo on Newsnight?

It's all far too cosy!

[Doghouse Riley]

You didn't miss much, no complainants I saw were under fifty, which is often the case, which implies, "it's older people who usually complain."

The response to the question I mentioned, included the arrogance that; "the viewers understood why they did it, because it was good for the programme."

And there you have it" as Jeremy Vine woulds say.

And we thought the BBC were s'pposed to be doing "what was good for the viewers."

He wouldn't say that last bit, though.

[Westy2]

That item about Fergie was going over the same ground as Newswatch!

And why persist in refering to it as a BBC Northern Ireland production if its gonna come from Broadcasting House London every week?

Why cant London 'produce' it ? Why cant JV get to Belfast once a week?

If he cant, then find a presenter who can!

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by 62

Even worse was Elliot Reed attempting to defend the repugnant 'Snog Marry Avoid'.

It came across that he was reading a prepared statement.

Why aren't they subject to the same sort of robust questioning that Ann Robinson uses on Watchdog or Paxo on Newsnight?

It's all far too cosy!

A programme like this doesn't last for decades, unless it is exactly what the BBC wants, where they have complete control of the topics and questions included, to which they've got the "right" answer, or one which suits them.

[lola_skye]

Points of view? I remember going onto their message board to air my views,only to have the beeb to edit them for the show.... whitewash springs to mind

[62]

The girl complaining about Snog Marry Avoid was in her early 20s I'd say!

[Pink Knight]

Snog Marry or avoid, couldn't give two hoots about. Anyone wasting their time watching that and most output by BBC 3, apart from the odd decent comedy and Family Guy/American Dad, get what they deserve.

Alex Ferguson getting top billing over the Queen, shock horror. She opens parliament every year. Fergie doesn't resign every year.

Woman whinging about Gardener's World being moved because of sport. "There should be a dedicated sport's channel."
Watch it on the day its been moved to and go and pull some weeds out when the sport is on, easily solved.

[Westy2]

Originally Posted by Pink Knight

Snog Marry or avoid, couldn't give two hoots about. Anyone wasting their time watching that and most output by BBC 3, apart from the odd decent comedy and Family Guy/American Dad, get what they deserve.

Alex Ferguson getting top billing over the Queen, shock horror. She opens parliament every year. Fergie doesn't resign every year.

Woman whinging about Gardener's World being moved because of sport. "There should be a dedicated sport's channel."
Watch it on the day its been moved to and go and pull some weeds out when the sport is on, easily solved.

Out of curiosity, what is the difference, transmission wise, between a 'normal' channel & a 'Red Button' channel?

The Beeb flag up when a programme is Red Button only, so isn't that a sort of separate sports channel in a way, apart from the fact you can't record it?

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by Westy2

Out of curiosity, what is the difference, transmission wise, between a 'normal' channel & a 'Red Button' channel?

The Beeb flag up when a programme is Red Button only, so isn't that a sort of separate sports channel in a way, apart from the fact you can't record it?

It's just a link to another channel. It's usually Channel 301.
It's the same a a normal channel, although when you're watching it, you can't get the "red button" sevice.
It can be used for a variety of programmes, some pop concerts are shown on it.
You can record it. I always record the different live American Football game that's on that channel every week, not highlights, but the full game, after midnight during the season.
Strangely they never seem to advertise it.

[carl.waring]

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

Caught a bit of this changing channels after watching the Triathlon.
Complaints about Spoilers, sorry I meant Trailers, at the end of episodes giving away the plots in forthcoming episodes of serial dramas.
The usual "We're right, the viewers wrong, 'cos we know best" response.

So no change there then, eh?

Of course, they never actually said anything of the sort

They did, however, explain that what goes into these trailers and promos is thought through a lot and and discussed so they don't give away any major plot points.

At least they did admit it was "ratings chasing" to get additional viewers, "far more important than not upsetting the existing viewers," I guess..

Wow! TV channel wants more people to watch a programme! What a shock

Originally Posted by 62

It came across that he was reading a prepared statement.

Perhaps he was. He might not be used to speaking off-the-cuff on camera.

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

The response to the question I mentioned, included the arrogance that; "the viewers understood why they did it, because it was good for the programme."

ie the target audience. Which is probably not you or I

Originally Posted by 62

The girl complaining about Snog Marry Avoid was in her early 20s I'd say!

QED

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by carl.waring

Of course, they never actually said anything of the sort

Eyes giving you trouble again?

Of course she did.

They did, however, explain that what goes into these trailers and promos is thought through a lot and and discussed so they don't give away any major plot points.

How unobservant of you, the person complaining said that was exactly what they did. They even included clips of "Dancing on the Edge" before she gave her response to prove it!

Wow! TV channel wants more people to watch a programme! What a shock

More eye trouble?

By what she implied, it was obviously considered that getting additional people to watch, was more important than spoiling it for those already watching.

Kate Harwood, Head of Drama's response was as typical as they are usually.

She attempted to give the impression that they don't reveal the plot in trailers. .
The fact that she tried to excuse it by using the word "major" to qualify her response, didn't cut it.
Any revelation of part of a plot is "major" for those who don't want to know about it. They can "agonise" about what to include all day, but the end result is the same, if it gives parts of the plot away.
You seem to have been taken in by BBC spin, as usual.

Perhaps he was. He might not be used to speaking off-the-cuff on camera.

No, more like what he had to say was prepared with the help of some "spin doctor" for him to read.

No points for you there I'm afraid.

[Westy2]

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

It's just a link to another channel. It's usually Channel 301.
It's the same a a normal channel, although when you're watching it, you can't get the "red button" sevice.
It can be used for a variety of programmes, some pop concerts are shown on it.
You can record it. I always record the different live American Football game that's on that channel every week, not highlights, but the full game, after midnight during the season.
Strangely they never seem to advertise it.

You can't SKY PLUS Red Button, but you can tape it live onto tape or disc.

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by Westy2

You can't SKY PLUS Red Button, but you can tape it live onto tape or disc.

Dunno about Sky-Plus, but I can record 301, on Freeview.

[TORPIDO 1]

Originally Posted by hallc

Drat missed it again, it should have regular time slot..

They said last week they were looking for a suitable slot for it across the 10 weeks so they could use it in the autumn

[Straker]

Originally Posted by lola_skye

Points of view? I remember going onto their message board to air my views,only to have the beeb to edit them for the show.... whitewash springs to mind

C4 are as bad. When they had Big Brother they used to regularly purge critical views from their boards. It's ironic when you think how both broadcasters take every opportunity to criticise the surveillance state and big government for spying on and repressing it's citizens. But then hypocrisy is practically a national pastime in this country.

[jazzydrury3]

Originally Posted by TORPIDO 1

They said last week they were looking for a suitable slot for it across the 10 weeks so they could use it in the autumn

Wouldnt an ideal slot, be 6:40/6:45 leading onto countryfle, which is always on at 7, so would mean no movement for POV

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by Straker

C4 are as bad. When they had Big Brother they used to regularly purge critical views from their boards. It's ironic when you think how both broadcasters take every opportunity to criticise the surveillance state and big government for spying on and repressing it's citizens. But then hypocrisy is practically a national pastime in this country.

The BBC will not only remove any posts with which they feel uncomfortable from their message board, but also anyone who is too critical of their policies or actions, even when such posts are couched within the rules of their board will get a permanent ban.


The problem for a few posters on here, who keep defending the BBC over this programme, is that they are unable to recognise that it is "The BBC's Points of View" not the viewers.

The producer "cherry picks" the letters to present what seems to be a balanced programme.
It doesn't matter how badly a programme is received either by poor ratings, critical press reviews or letters of complaints, the BBC will always find a few letters of praise to read out.
No letter about anything really controversial is chosen for which the BBC haven't got a satisfactory answer.

I don't blame them for this, as it would be madness to shoot themselves in the foot.
Though they do include some mostly trivial questions for which they can include a patronising answer.

The fact that the same complaints come up posted by different people each year, shows that they take very little notice.

I'm sure these "suits" who are trotted out occasionally to give us a "we're right, the viewers wrong," response, (someone on here was daft enough to suggest that they didn't actually use those words!
Doh!) are completely unaware how patronising they sound, but then it's the culture of a corporation who do pretty much what they please.
It was plainly evident by what was said yesterday, that the defence of so many "spoilers" screened at the end of an episode of a series, was because getting addition viewers for the programme, (I got the impression that she thought of it almost as person) was more important than spoiling it for those already watching.
There's nothing wrong with Points of View as a bit of fluffy entertainment and an opportunity for the BBC to give themselves a pat on the back and show clips of running series, which will hopefully improve the ratings.

But it shouldn't be taken too seriously, as for a vehicle to get anything changed, it's pretty ineffective.

[ChrisE]

What is the point of starting another POV thread when the other one is still active?

Surely the mods should merge them..

[Doghouse Riley]

Different programme, different date, different content, though it often seems familiar.

[carl.waring]

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

Of course she did.

No she did not. No-one from the BBC has ever said those words. EVER!!!

Originally Posted by ChrisE

What is the point of starting another POV thread when the other one is still active?
Surely the mods should merge them..

I agree.

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

Different programme, different date, different content, though it often seems familiar.

As do the posts after it

[DavetheScot]

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley

It doesn't matter how badly a programme is received either by poor ratings, critical press reviews or letters of complaints, the BBC will always find a few letters of praise to read out.
No letter about anything really controversial is chosen for which the BBC haven't got a satisfactory answer.

That's not the case. The other week they had a number of letters slagging off Ben Elton's new comedy (can't recall the name, something about a health and safety guy) in fairly strong terms, with not a single letter in praise and no BBC spokesman answering their points, satisfactorily or otherwise.

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by DavetheScot

That's not the case. The other week they had a number of letters slagging off Ben Elton's new comedy (can't recall the name, something about a health and safety guy) in fairly strong terms, with not a single letter in praise and no BBC spokesman answering their points, satisfactorily or otherwise.

That's unusual, as they can often find a letter from some who liked a programme, it's their way of keeping the programme balanced.

So they either just ignored it, or no one wrote in praising it?


I've never accused them of making up letters.

[Doghouse Riley]

Originally Posted by carl.waring

No she did not. No-one from the BBC has ever said those words. EVER!!!

Doh!

Not in so many words chum, it's in the choice of phraseology, (maybe that's too subtle for you to understand). I'm not the only one to suggest that it's their attitude.