[Zack06]

Originally Posted by vicktrick

Thanks all, will have a read of this thread more when I can later. I just thought Apple products were really expensive and you just paid for the name. Remember I know nothing!

There is a lot of truth in this. Whether Apple 'fans' like to admit it or not, you do get average (or sometimes less) hardware and functionality for a much much higher price, particularly in relation to their phones and tablets.

[TheBigM]

Originally Posted by Zack06

There is a lot of truth in this. Whether Apple 'fans' like to admit it or not, you do get average (or sometimes less) hardware and functionality for a much much higher price, particularly in relation to their phones and tablets.

I disagree on the tablets, the competing Android tablets were launched at prices comparable to the iPad, only when they didn't sell were prices dropped.

I am quite impressed by Jelly Bean but I was not at all impressed by the UI on pre-ICS tablets. Also, there was very little app optimisation done for android apps to run on tablets whilst devs have been increasingly making apps specifically for the iPad.

Also android tablets have generally been weaker in the hardware be it the screen, the looks, the battery life etc.

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by TheBigM

I disagree on the tablets, the competing Android tablets were launched at prices comparable to the iPad, only when they didn't sell were prices dropped.

I am quite impressed by Jelly Bean but I was not at all impressed by the UI on pre-ICS tablets. Also, there was very little app optimisation done for android apps to run on tablets whilst devs have been increasingly making apps specifically for the iPad.

Also android tablets have generally been weaker in the hardware be it the screen, the looks, the battery life etc.

The Samsung Galaxy Tab and Asus Transformer are clear evidence against the BIB. The Galaxy Tab range did sell quite well, but like with phones, Android takes longer to be established compared with the Apple model....In terms of the Nexus 7 it is very very good value with a better processor, comparable screen and is guaranteed Android updates first. The only drawback is the slightly smaller screen.

Android tablets weren't seen as viable investments to begin with, but recently OEMs like Asus and Samsung have been creating devices that have superior hardware and comparable experiences to the iPad.

[Voynich]

I'm no Apple fanboy. I'm pre-ordering the Nexus 7 for a start. But the ipad 3 is still the daddy of tablets at the moment. The screen is gorgeous ( 2048 x 1536 FFS!) and they have so many apps. It's not just about the name 'Apple', it really does deliver. But yep you do pay for the privilege! Doubtless it will change, but at the moment that's how it is.

[vicktrick]

Originally Posted by alan1302

If you know nothing then don’t start dismissing things you know nothing about! LOL

.... yeah, i know...

[Batwing]

Originally Posted by Voynich

I'm no Apple fanboy. I'm pre-ordering the Nexus 7 for a start. But the ipad 3 is still the daddy of tablets at the moment. The screen is gorgeous ( 2048 x 1536 FFS!) and they have so many apps. It's not just about the name 'Apple', it really does deliver. But yep you do pay for the privilege! Doubtless it will change, but at the moment that's how it is.

Are you so afraid of someone calling you a "fanboy" that you have to preface complimentary comments regarding an Apple product by saying you are not a 'fanboy?"

[Batwing]

Originally Posted by TheBigM

.... whilst devs have been increasingly making apps specifically for the iPad.
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No, that's been the case with the iPad since the first model.That's why they have over 225,000 apps made specifically for the iPad.

[Premium-Onion]

Originally Posted by Batwing

Are you so afraid of someone calling you a "fanboy" that you have to preface complimentary comments regarding an Apple product by saying you are not a 'fanboy?"

With the way some people are on this forum, I fully understand why he did it.

[Voynich]

Originally Posted by Batwing

Are you so afraid of someone calling you a "fanboy" that you have to preface complimentary comments regarding an Apple product by saying you are not a 'fanboy?"

It was in response to this...

Originally Posted by Zack06

There is a lot of truth in this. Whether Apple 'fans' like to admit it or not, you do get average (or sometimes less) hardware and functionality for a much much higher price, particularly in relation to their phones and tablets.

[TheBigM]

Originally Posted by Batwing

No, that's been the case with the iPad since the first model.That's why they have over 225,000 apps made specifically for the iPad.

Is your fanboyism so extreme that when my whole comment was about iPad having a better ecosystem for tablet-dedicated apps than Android, you had to selectively quote me by chopping a sentence in half to argue against it?

Yes, some developers have made iPad-specific versions of their apps. But plenty have not, it got off to a relatively slow start and has been increasing hence it's still only 225,000 vs. 600,000 for the iPhone. It's why Apple still have to allow the running of iPhone apps on an iPad which is sub-optimal, especially on the new iPad where the lower resolution iphone apps look fuzzy and fugly when zoomed in 2x and not that usable at 1x. It's why there are still apps I want on the iPad but I have to use the iPhone version.

Originally Posted by Zack06

The Samsung Galaxy Tab and Asus Transformer are clear evidence against the BIB. The Galaxy Tab range did sell quite well, but like with phones, Android takes longer to be established compared with the Apple model....In terms of the Nexus 7 it is very very good value with a better processor, comparable screen and is guaranteed Android updates first. The only drawback is the slightly smaller screen.

Android tablets weren't seen as viable investments to begin with, but recently OEMs like Asus and Samsung have been creating devices that have superior hardware and comparable experiences to the iPad.

I'm not sure that either are clear evidence of hardware superiority. Let's compare like with like, I don't think a 7" 16:9 screen is anywhere near a 9.7" 4:3 screen in area. I think they are completely different classes of tablet.

Which 10" tablets on the market measure up to the iPad, I'm pretty sure none them are close in screen resolution.

I was very disappointed with the earlier generation Android tablets like the Motorola Xoom and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1; with the arrival of the Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean, I have more confidence of decent 10" android tablets on the surface, but the software ecosystem with tablet dedicated apps will still be lacking compared to the iPad.

It's a question who can go to market more quickly and build up a tablet-targeted software ecosystem, Android looks with Jelly Bean's refinements that it may start doing it, but there's every chance Microsoft might pull ahead to no. 2 over 2013 with the Windows RT tablets especially with devices like the Surface which offer many of the benefits of tablets but fewer of the drawbacks.

[neo_wales]

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile...exus-7-1088235

Android 4, same screen resolution as iPad 2, 16GB flash memory, SD expansion slot, £220; looks good value for money.

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by vicktrick

Hi

I would like to buy a tablet. I know of iPads but I do not want an apple product. I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S2 phone. I wondered do Samsung do a tablet and if so, is it any good?

I will really only be using it for facebook/twitter/emails/forums, that sort of thing. A few apps, the camera.

I assume they use wifi? do they also use 3g or whatever it's called... sorry I really am not sure about this sort of stuff.

Any help would be welcomed.

Thank You

IMHO for your use the Nexus 7 will be perfect, it's inexpensive (£159) and with it being 7 inch it will easily fit in your handbag (unlike bigger and heavier 10" tablets)

If you want to connect to the internet while out and about you can tether it to your S2 or use a WiFi hotspot.

https://play.google.com/store/devices

[BeethovensPiano]

Originally Posted by Zack06

There is a lot of truth in this. Whether Apple 'fans' like to admit it or not, you do get average (or sometimes less) hardware and functionality for a much much higher price, particularly in relation to their phones and tablets.

Tablets?

This is BS, there is nothing out there that can compete with iPad 3 in terms of price. And its about more than hardware, there there are hundreds of thousands of dedicated iPad apps.

[neo_wales]

With the rumoured launch of a 7" ipad in Q4 it looks like apple are now trying to play catchup. The ipad 3 is up against some very good Android tabs and the new Windows Surface tablets blow it out of the water in terms of performance.

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by neo_wales

With the rumoured launch of a 7" ipad in Q4 it looks like apple are now trying to play catchup. The ipad 3 is up against some very good Android tabs and the new Windows Surface tablets blow it out of the water in terms of performance.

You mean the windows surface tablets with no price or release date?

The iPad 4 will just be round the corner by the time we see them in the UK.

[Gormond]

If on even more of a budget the Hannspad running ICS is £85 http://www.ebuyer.com/389055-hannspr...blet-pc-sn70t3

[whoever,hey]

Originally Posted by Gormond

You mean the windows surface tablets with no price or release date?

The iPad 4 will just be round the corner by the time we see them in the UK.

Nexus?

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by whoever,hey

Nexus?

I was commenting on what was said about the surface tablets from MS.

[TheBigM]

Originally Posted by neo_wales

With the rumoured launch of a 7" ipad in Q4 it looks like apple are now trying to play catchup. The ipad 3 is up against some very good Android tabs and the new Windows Surface tablets blow it out of the water in terms of performance.

Sorry neo, you know my preferences but have to disagree with you here.

Jelly Bean is definitely an improvement and Android tablets are catching up but they're just not there yet, they need to do things to help their developers better optimise apps for tablets.

On the Surface? I am excited by it but there is no way we can say it's blowing anything out of the water in terms of performance. Windows RT is running behind Windows 8 in optimisation and we can't do a comparison until independent reviewers get a final retail product in their hands. I have high hopes but we shouldn't jump the gun.

[Voynich]

Originally Posted by neo_wales

With the rumoured launch of a 7" ipad in Q4 it looks like apple are now trying to play catchup. The ipad 3 is up against some very good Android tabs and the new Windows Surface tablets blow it out of the water in terms of performance.

I'm thinking that could be just rumours designed to mess up the Nexus. Job famously dragged himself into Apple to rant against 7" tablets when he was ill. They'll be doing flash on the iOS next!

[psionic]

It's too late for Flash now on mobile platforms, as far as even Adobe are concerned.

[Batwing]

Originally Posted by Voynich

I'm thinking that could be just rumours designed to mess up the Nexus. Job famously dragged himself into Apple to rant against 7" tablets when he was ill. They'll be doing flash on the iOS next!

He was working while ill for years.

Flash? Adobe is no longer going to make a mobile Flash app.

The rumors of the smaller iPad have been around a lot longer than Google's Nexus.

[Voynich]

Originally Posted by Batwing

He was working while ill for years.

Flash? Adobe is no longer going to make a mobile Flash app.

The rumors of the smaller iPad have been around a lot longer than Google's Nexus.

The Fash bit was a joke as Jobs ranted against that as well. This is what he thought of 7" tablets...


http://m.engadget.com/2010/10/18/ste...out-google-an/

Suddenly with the Nexus about to be released the rumours are back. Maybe Apple has developed 'iSandpaper' for our fingers?

[Gormond]

Originally Posted by Voynich

The Fash bit was a joke as Jobs ranted against that as well. This is what he thought of 7" tablets...


http://m.engadget.com/2010/10/18/ste...out-google-an/

Suddenly with the Nexus about to be released the rumours are back. Maybe Apple has developed 'iSandpaper' for our fingers?

Hardly "back", these rumors have been constantly on and off for the last couple of years.

[Zack06]

Originally Posted by Batwing

He was working while ill for years.

Flash? Adobe is no longer going to make a mobile Flash app.

The rumors of the smaller iPad have been around a lot longer than Google's Nexus.

Google tablet rumours have been around since 2009, with rumours that they were making their own in house tablet...

As soon as Android took the Worldwide #1 spot all these 'iPhone mini' rumours came about but they never happened...I would be surprised, and it would be quite desperate and hilarious then, if Apple did decide to come out with an iPad mini....

I think the Nexus 7 and similar cheap Android tablets are going to start taking marketshare in the tablet sector. All it takes is one device to kick things off, and I think the Nexus 7 is that device.