[Justabloke]

Ok, I tried to give it one more chance.. I thought maybe its not as bad as I remember...

Oh dear...

Janeway - a comedy voiced midget with all the gravitas of a blancmange
Chakotay - someone give him an enema perhaps then he'll be able to produce an expression beyond painfully constipated
Tuvok - As a vulcan, a race of people "famed" for being emotionless and pretty intelligent, I can only assume he was the class dunce.
Ensign Kim... a post adolescent Wesley Crusher, his one achievement appears to be that he is even more annoying than the Crusher
Belanna Torres - My cat is more klingon than this woman
Tom Paris - On a world of badass bad boys and using a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is extremely badass , Paris is -100
Nelix - FFS!... seriously, just f$%k off.
Kes - What point does she serve?Wait we need an alien empath sort of character...hmmm.. we can't have troi... Wait, we'll give her a crazy haircut, a funky paint job and then she be a telephath except we wont tell her she's a telepath that way it wont be obvious she's all touchy feely with every thing... in a "I'm sensing some bad shit is about to happen!" kind of way. perfect, no one will ever notice.

And no, 45 minutes of "We're stuck! There's no way we can get out this!" followed by 5 minutes "Wait! if I can just... [bleepy bleepity] adjust the inverse [bloinkity bleep bleep] reverse springent bracket [blurp boinky bing bleep] and push it through [bleppy bleepity bleep] main deflector dish [burp burpy bleep] all will be fixed!" while Majel bloody Barret shouts "Warning! Warning! Everything will explode in 3 seconds!" Every single ferkin' episode just doesn't cut the bloody mustard. Oh yes they changed the owner of the fingers actaully "re-configuring EPS conduits to emit poleron particles instead of eronomatica particles" every week or so but beyond that its always the same bollocks.

Seriously, 7 poxy seasons! How the **** did it make it to 7 episodes let alone 7 seasons.

Finally, Janeway, take your prime directive and shove it up your arse.

And.... breath.

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[RebelScum]

Originally Posted by Justabloke

Ok, I tried to give it one more chance...

[Justabloke]

Originally Posted by RebelScum

I know... I know... I was trying to be fair.

[petertard]

It only perked up when Seven joined, as Jeri Ryan was well hot. They should have had her as the supersexy captain from the start.

[StressMonkey]

You know, your first mistake was giving it a first chance.......

[catsitter]

You left out the best character - the Doctor.

[Justabloke]

Originally Posted by catsitter

You left out the best character - the Doctor.

As it happens, I do think he's a great character wasted in a shit show, which is why he's not included in the list.

[jediknight2k1]

Seven of Nine made it worth watching .

It was better than Enterprise but by than Braga and co had destroyed the franchise.

At least the reboot movie was good and everyone suited the part.

[Bester]

It really was a dreadful, dreadful show.

The characters, with the rare exception (EMH, Seven) were absolutely fooking awful. When you look at those characters and then you look at DS9's raft of characters, it's a total mismatch. In fact DS9's peripheral characters are far, far better than most of Voyager's principle cast. Garak, Rom, Dukat, Damar, Nog, etc......

Kate Mulgrew was second choice to play Janeway. She shouldn't have been the 100th choice FFS! Seriously who was casting this?! I remember at the time, when they were still considering a male Captain, Nigel Havers was seriously considered. Even he would have been better FFS!

The premise - great, but systematically ruined. They were desperate to get home, yet stopped off to poke their noses into every fooking affair they came across.

Let's not forget the Borg - uber-deadly nemesis in TNG. In Voyager, they were reduced to the Wylie Coyote cartoon version of the Borg where entire fleets could be taken out by one ship, and one ship could be taken down with a solitary torpedo.

And what a send off for the fans who'd stuck with the show for 7 years - a rehashed, drawn out, inferior version of the episode Timeless......

Voyager only ever served one positive purpose, and that was to keep Berman and Braga busy while Ira Behr and co crafted the brilliance of DS9.

[Listentome]

Could have been worse, apparently Patsy Kensit was considered for Janeway.

[Listentome]

Originally Posted by Bester

It really was a dreadful, dreadful show.

The characters, with the rare exception (EMH, Seven) were absolutely fooking awful. When you look at those characters and then you look at DS9's raft of characters, it's a total mismatch. In fact DS9's peripheral characters are far, far better than most of Voyager's principle cast. Garak, Rom, Dukat, Damar, Nog, etc......

Kate Mulgrew was second choice to play Janeway. She shouldn't have been the 100th choice FFS! Seriously who was casting this?! I remember at the time, when they were still considering a male Captain, Nigel Havers was seriously considered. Even he would have been better FFS!

The premise - great, but systematically ruined. They were desperate to get home, yet stopped off to poke their noses into every fooking affair they came across.

Let's not forget the Borg - uber-deadly nemesis in TNG. In Voyager, they were reduced to the Wylie Coyote cartoon version of the Borg where entire fleets could be taken out by one ship, and one ship could be taken down with a solitary torpedo.

And what a send off for the fans who'd stuck with the show for 7 years - a rehashed, drawn out, inferior version of the episode Timeless......

Voyager only ever served one positive purpose, and that was to keep Berman and Braga busy while Ira Behr and co crafted the brilliance of DS9.

The premise couldn't be that great because it alone couldn't have sustained the series without them stopping off to meet other cultures. What would be the point otherwise?

[Bester]

Originally Posted by Listentome

The premise couldn't be that great because it alone couldn't have sustained the series without them stopping off to meet other cultures. What would be the point otherwise?

If every episode has just involved the ship flying through space then it would likely still have been marginally better than what we actually got.

The premise - could easily have worked. A lone ship, stranded on the other side of the universe. A disparate crew, having to overcome their differences. Making their way home, with occasional stop offs, and random encounters with other races en route. Instead, we get Janeway piping up about how they'll be heading home as fast as they can, whilst simultaneously taking the ship out of its way so that she can explorer the nearest nebula for some coffee beans....WTF?!

[Listentome]

Originally Posted by Bester

If every episode has just involved the ship flying through space then it would likely still have been marginally better than what we actually got.

The premise - could easily have worked. A lone ship, stranded on the other side of the universe. A disparate crew, having to overcome their differences. Making their way home, with occasional stop offs, and random encounters with other races en route. Instead, we get Janeway piping up about how they'll be heading home as fast as they can, whilst simultaneously taking the ship out of its way so that she can explorer the nearest nebula for some coffee beans....WTF?!

I take your point, but I can't see one season just about a disparate crew trying to get home. Let's face it Stargate Universe didn't get past 2 seasons with that premise.

Not that I'm defending Voyager, it was bad. But if it's gonna take you 70 years to get home, you might as well add a few years here and there.

[viewaskew]

But...but....but.....fold-y warp nacelles..!!!

[LaurelandHardy]

I actually loved Voyager, it is my favourite Star trek series.
With the exception of one stupid episode where Paris and Janeway went faster than Warp 10 (?) and turned into Lizards! Plus the final episode was a bit of a let-down.
Apart from those two episodes I really enjoyed Voyager and would watch the whole series over again any time.

[Gulftastic]

Originally Posted by Bester

The premise - could easily have worked. A lone ship, stranded on the other side of the universe. A disparate crew, having to overcome their differences. Making their way home, with occasional stop offs, and random encounters with other races en route.

The ignoring of this aspect was the biggest wasted chance of the show.

It's a shame that the show was made when it was. If it had come after Battlestar had shown that gritty sci-fi was allowed, it could have been an epic tale. They'd have had to have the courage to kill people off every so often, and the conflict between the Maquis and the Federation crew members should have been ramped up, with at least one mutiny occurring. As it was, they arrived back home in pretty much the same state they left, with little or no effects of 7 years in unknown space. It was all too squeaky clean.

[starsailor]

Originally Posted by viewaskew

But...but....but.....fold-y warp nacelles..!!!

Which was a) pointless, and b) cool for about 5 seconds.

Got to agree with the above. But then when you really start to break it down an awful lot of Star Trek is actually pretty crap (this from someone which does love the franchise)

TNG was, lets face it, pants at the start, and it only got better around series 3, and only then it was Picard and Data which were the real stars, the rest were a bit weak....

Worf: Got beaten up...every week
Troi: oooooh captain, i can 'sense' they're hiding somethng...
Riker: Well he was ok, when he got his beard and before he porked out.
Crusher: Just 'get it on' with Picard already!
LaForge: Ok, i liked him.
Wesley: enough said....

[jette52]

i loved it myself.

[gary77]

Voyager was alright from season 4 onwards, seasons 1-3 didnt think much of.

[CD93]

Voyager was actually the first sci-fi show I ever watched growing up, so even if a lot of it is rather dodgy, it will always hold that special place

[LaurelandHardy]

Originally Posted by CD93

Voyager was actually the first sci-fi show I ever watched growing up, so even if a lot of it is rather dodgy, it will always hold that special place

Fireball XL5 was my first Sci-Fi show so think yourself lucky!

[fmradiotuner1]

Originally Posted by LaurelandHardy

I actually loved Voyager, it is my favourite Star trek series.
With the exception of one stupid episode where Paris and Janeway went faster than Warp 10 (?) and turned into Lizards! Plus the final episode was a bit of a let-down.
Apart from those two episodes I really enjoyed Voyager and would watch the whole series over again any time.

Same for me to

[Duncan_Styles]

I'm watching through Voyager at the moment and I am quite enjoying it. Started off a little ropey but settles into itself in season 3. Most recent ep I saw was The Good Shepard, which I really liked, nice seeing an area of the ship that had never been visited before and seeing different crew members, just a shame these people only get one show. Gets a bit dull focusing on the same handful of people all the time. There could have been a lot of stories based around the other 120 odd crew which would have made for decent breaks in the main getting home story.

[soulboy77]

I must admit to enjoying watching some of Voyager but...

- Any episodes involving Q I found most annoying.
- The fact that a particular enemy could turn up again in a future episode, seeing that Voyager had in the meantime travelled at warp speed, on a straightish course towards home, seemed improbable.
- How the ship could receive massive damage and be repaired good as new, contradicted the resources they had at hand.
- As mentioned in a previous post, the Borg suddenly became pussies compared to the Borg in TNG. How come?
- Having the annoying Nelix character in the series....why?

[starsailor]

Originally Posted by Duncan_Styles

I'm watching through Voyager at the moment and I am quite enjoying it. Started off a little ropey but settles into itself in season 3. Most recent ep I saw was The Good Shepard, which I really liked, nice seeing an area of the ship that had never been visited before and seeing different crew members, just a shame these people only get one show. Gets a bit dull focusing on the same handful of people all the time. There could have been a lot of stories based around the other 120 odd crew which would have made for decent breaks in the main getting home story.

One of the problems with any Star Trek is that the drama is always focused on the main bridge 'senior' crew. Lower ranking crew members are only there to either 1) be killed, or 2) be a 'special guest' for that episode.

Recent Sci-fi dramas have broken that down a bit, like BSG and Stargate Universe, where lower ranking individuals get their fair share as well.