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Old 13-07-2012, 17:32
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I actually like Nemesis. Dont give a rats arse about Data's death and later resurrection, tough shite if you haven't seen it. What made the film was Tom Hardy plain and simple.
I actually thought Tom Hardy was shite in Nemesis. I couldn't believe the way people talked about him being a good actor until I saw him in other stuff. He was nothing but a pantomime villain in nemesis and it really irritated me. Having seen enough evidence to prove that he is actually a great actor, I can only blame his performance on the useless script and bad directing by Stuart Baird.

Having said that, its still light years better than the turd Shatner cooked up called "The Final Frontier." That's the only Star Trek movie I actually consider to be truly awful.
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Old 13-07-2012, 17:47
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Shinzon was a crap character. RedLetterMedia's review is correct. He looked like Dr Evil, and his revenge plot made no sense at all.
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Old 13-07-2012, 21:03
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Shinzon was a crap character. RedLetterMedia's review is correct. He looked like Dr Evil, and his revenge plot made no sense at all.
It was like a bunch of twelve-year-olds spent five minutes drafting the plot for Nemesis.

"So, who would make the ultimate bad guy to face off against Picard?"

"I know. Evil Picard!"

"Excellent. Now that's out of the way, we can spend more time choreographing a completely pointless desert buggy chase."
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Old 14-07-2012, 01:53
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I liked the few character moments we got at the start and end of Nemesis. I don't think it's truely terrible, it's an alright movie too, just not a good Star Trek one
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Old 14-07-2012, 03:59
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If they were going to write a Romulan-based plot for Nemesis, it would have more sense if Sela from TNG was the villain, trying to derail some sort of post-Dominion War peace treaty with the Federation.
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Old 14-07-2012, 08:54
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Have they decided on a title yet or are they sticking with "star trek 2 even more lens flare than the first one"
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Old 14-07-2012, 16:08
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If they were going to write a Romulan-based plot for Nemesis, it would have more sense if Sela from TNG was the villain, trying to derail some sort of post-Dominion War peace treaty with the Federation.
Nah, Andreas Katsulas was still alive when they made Nemesis and Tomalok was a far better villain than Sela. In fact, he was Patrick Stewart's favourite villain from the show. He was the perfect choice of opponent for Picard.
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Old 14-07-2012, 16:31
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Would Love To See Another ''q' Inspired Movie, One Of My Fav Star Trek Characters
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Old 14-07-2012, 17:22
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Nah, Andreas Katsulas was still alive when they made Nemesis and Tomalok was a far better villain than Sela. In fact, he was Patrick Stewart's favourite villain from the show. He was the perfect choice of opponent for Picard.
Or both, since they shared Romulan nationalist views. Either would have been superior to Shinzon.
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Old 15-07-2012, 19:48
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Or both, since they shared Romulan nationalist views. Either would have been superior to Shinzon.
If someone had drawn a face on a potato and stuck it in the Captain's chair of the Scimitar it would have been superior to Shinzon. Only pitting the wit of Captain Picard against Jar Jar Binks would have resulted in a worse villain.

But only just.
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Old 16-07-2012, 21:42
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I think that as the years go by, The Motion Picture gains in stature against the dumbed down action films that followed it.
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Old 16-07-2012, 23:41
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We used to call it 'Motionless'.
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Old 17-07-2012, 00:35
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The first film would have made a decent episode, but there's way too much padding for it to be considered a good movie.
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Old 17-07-2012, 13:08
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I generally agree with this. Trek 2009 had a pretty awful storyline, really. But it got away with it because the characters were so well done and the real interest was in their introductions/ first meetings. This is kinda typical for a lot of origin stories, as the origin of the characters is more important than the McGuffin that drives the plot.

However, any follow-ups don't have that, so the strength of the plot needs to hold up. Considering how long its been since the last film, I'm hoping they have spent the time really getting the story right.

I also hope McCoy gets vastly more screen time than he got in the last one, too.
totally agree, Nero was a throwawy badguy...they didnt want a scene stealing baddie, it was an origin story to introduce a new set of fans to the universe, not re-hash the old series.

Would we all have been saying how good the main characters in the new ST movie if we had the Joker effect from Dark Knight.
Heath ledger stole the film and quite rightly imo. and thats why the film is remembered and loved by fans not all the other plot threads.

sorry back on topic, this from Aintitcool.com
STAR TREK Writer Roberto Orci: Cumberbatch is NOT Playing Gary Mitchell!! But Alice Eve Is Playing A Character We've Met Before!!
you can find the story here:http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57033
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Old 17-07-2012, 16:42
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I think that as the years go by, The Motion Picture gains in stature against the dumbed down action films that followed it.
Hear hear.

I have always loved TMP not just for the fantastic way Wise reveals the refitted and redesigned Enterprise and not forgetting of course Jerry Goldsmith's score including the main theme and the Klingon battle.
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Old 17-07-2012, 16:50
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Hear hear.

I have always loved TMP not just for the fantastic way Wise reveals the refitted and redesigned Enterprise and not forgetting of course Jerry Goldsmith's score including the main theme and the Klingon battle.
The score is amazing
Visually The Motion Picture is stunning its just that not a great deal happens in the film. Still rewatch it every year or so.
Best trek films imo Wrath of Khan,Search for Spock,Generations & First Contact.......love em all but my weakest is The Voyage Home decent acting but weak plot & effects and the worst score on any Star Trek series or film ever . Leornard Rosenman i think same guy who ruined the Robocop 2 score
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Old 19-07-2012, 16:41
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The biggest problems I had with TMP were that the characters all feel "off" and that there are too many long, drawn out effects sequences. It definitely felt like a TV episode stretched out to fill a movie's running time (which is exactly what it was!)

The score, however, is absolutely fantastic.
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Old 25-11-2012, 16:15
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Voyager yes.... but the rest are all superior to Trek2009
Don't be ridiculous.
Voyager was Godawful and badly written and acted.
At least this lot have a few excellent contributors.
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Old 25-11-2012, 16:17
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Having said that, its still light years better than the turd Shatner cooked up called "The Final Frontier." That's the only Star Trek movie I actually consider to be truly awful.
Harsh, but accurate.
Final Frontier was laughable from every direction. (The idiotic "fan dance" being memorable for its idiocy)
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Old 25-11-2012, 16:45
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The biggest mistake in Trek 2009 was not having the actor who played Kirks dad, play the role of Kirk instead. !!!
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Old 25-11-2012, 17:29
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The biggest mistake in Trek 2009 was not having the actor who played Kirks dad, play the role of Kirk instead. !!!
You mean "The mighty Thor"? lol
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:47
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Apparently the Gherkin is still standing in the 23rd Century.

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Old 03-12-2012, 20:24
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Apparently the Gherkin is still standing in the 23rd Century.

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But only just...


First Big Trailer in the Cinema for Into Darkness:
"More will be revealed in the coming weeks as nine minutes of the film will play before Imax 3D screenings of “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey” when it opens on Dec. 14. Non-Imax screenings of “The Hobbit” will get the official “Into Darkness” trailer."
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Old 04-12-2012, 19:24
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Benedict Cumberbatch will be terrific, Zachary Quinto no problem but I still can't work out why Chris Pine is playing Captain Kirk unless the idea was to make the character fade well into the background. I don't believe he could operate a vacuum cleaner,let alone run a starship.

Love the poster and want one asap even if it is, similar to about half a dozen others plus also a little plastic figure of Gary Mitchell who the 'villain' probably is, to play with in the bath.

I enjoyed the last film more than I'd enjoyed anything Star Trek related since the original series and films.( Apart from the casting of Kirk.)

I shiver, when remembering Kim Cattrall pontificating ( In character) about the origin of the term sabotage as if it was news to other officers, whilst turkeys were being cooked- in ovens.Turkey, indeed. I don't believe that it will ever get worse, than that.
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Old 05-12-2012, 16:52
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Apparently the Gherkin is still standing in the 23rd Century.
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What makes you think that's the 23rd century?
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