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Old 05-12-2012, 17:15
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What makes you think that's the 23rd century?
Please God, not another time travel Trek film.
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Old 05-12-2012, 20:28
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Don't forget Nemesis!


IMO...

TOS films: 1 was average, 2 was excellent, 3 was good, 4 was very good, 5 was awful, 6 was excellent.

TNG films: Generations was average, First Contact was excellent, Insurrection and Nemesis were both awful.

Voyager: Poor.

Enterprise: Awful.
I think I agree with that one - we might have more clues soon the trailer is due out tomorrow according to Simon Pegg

and with Enterprise I think they missed a really good opportunity to do something radically different.
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Old 05-12-2012, 23:58
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There's a London Eye in the poster too.

So I estimate the man is standing on the rubble of The Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, so maybe the baddie is Jack The Ripper... again.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:24
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Jack The Ripper ? That rings a bell :eek :In an original series ...series 1, there was an episode ' Wolf In The Fold' as you no doubt know . There was a thingy..a non corporeal wossname, going from body to body, feeding on fear. . It was decided or revealed - I can't remember, that said thingy' Rejac','was Jack The Ripper.

I still think that the villain will be Gary Mitchell but Fizzbin has noticed something that might be a clue to another villain entirely. Even if not, it's b. interesting to know where, he's standing ! ( I love that episode with the game of fizzbin )

Could Rejac have floored Spock, though ? Also, has the villain got a woman ..eg Alice Eve ..because Rejac hated, women so it's unlikely that Alice Eve would be around for long. Gary Mitchell had a female crew member with him and so did Khan.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:34
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First trailer is up. Looks....HUUUUGE in scale.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:47
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Using the "I have returned" line for a character we know nothing about would be silly. So there's a connection somewhere, I'm guessing.

ETA: Warning, the Japanese trailer potentially includes a major, major spoiler if you're a Trek fan who knows their stuff. It may also imply who the baddie is.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:28
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just watched the trailers,
One thing that jumped out was the shot near the end of Benedict Cumberbatch's character sitting in a chair (just asfter the 2 shots of Kirk leaning forward) there is a subdued starfleet symbol on his top....wonder what that means?

Either way cant wait and yes I do have tickets for Imax Hobbit too
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:16
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There's a London Eye in the poster too.

So I estimate the man is standing on the rubble of The Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, so maybe the baddie is Jack The Ripper... again.
My moneys on Baker street.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:21
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just watched the trailers,
One thing that jumped out was the shot near the end of Benedict Cumberbatch's character sitting in a chair (just asfter the 2 shots of Kirk leaning forward) there is a subdued starfleet symbol on his top....wonder what that means?

Either way cant wait and yes I do have tickets for Imax Hobbit too
The synopsis says that the threat comes from within Starfleet, so that would make sense
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:44
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It was like a bunch of twelve-year-olds spent five minutes drafting the plot for Nemesis.

"So, who would make the ultimate bad guy to face off against Picard?"

"I know. Evil Picard!"

"Excellent. Now that's out of the way, we can spend more time choreographing a completely pointless desert buggy chase."
Sorry for my late reply, but I loved Nemesis because it completely ignored what TNG had built up

I loved it because I can barely tolerate post TOS Star Trek in particular TNG television series.

I suppose that gives me an advantage in that there is nothing in the film to be outraged or precious about. I do think that the TNG faithful get very precious about Nemesis and overlook its good parts. Contrary to popular belief (in this thread) Tom Hardy is a very good actor and did a great job. I love the interplay between Stewart and Hardy.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:03
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not a fan of benedict cumberbatch or his stupid name
Thank you for your positive contribution to this thread.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:06
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The synopsis says that the threat comes from within Starfleet, so that would make sense
very true, still thinking Gary Mitchell, rather than Khan, but they have gone out of their way to deny Khan so much, might just be smoke and mirrors, either way, cant wait!
its an adventure movie in the StarTrek universe, whats not to like
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:20
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There's a London Eye in the poster too.

So I estimate the man is standing on the rubble of The Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, so maybe the baddie is Jack The Ripper... again.
The Gherkin is also in the poster.
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:00
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Trailer - wow ! Does anyone remember the original series episode ' Mirror, Mirror' ? Benedict as whoever, says in the trailer, " ...your world". Mitchell and Khan were from Earth.
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:06
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Trailer looks good! Almost wet myself at the end of the Japanese trailer!
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:16
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Trailer looks good! Almost wet myself at the end of the Japanese trailer!
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Old 06-12-2012, 14:49
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Sorry for my late reply, but I loved Nemesis because it completely ignored what TNG had built up
Of course it didn't. Do you think Data was always the way we see him in the movie? His personality in the film is the build up of years of experiences we witnessed in the TV show and the earlier movies. Hence the dramatic difference betwen Data and B4, highlighting the journey Data had been on to become the man he was.

A newcomer need not have watched any of the series to appreciate that of course. But your point that the movie completely ignores what the TV series had built up is totally inaccurate.

I loved it because I can barely tolerate post TOS Star Trek in particular TNG television series.

I suppose that gives me an advantage in that there is nothing in the film to be outraged or precious about. I do think that the TNG faithful get very precious about Nemesis and overlook its good parts. Contrary to popular belief (in this thread) Tom Hardy is a very good actor and did a great job. I love the interplay between Stewart and Hardy.
Nemesis feels like a good movie that's a couple of rewrites away from being the movie it wants to be. It's great you love it, but it's not just precious TNG fans who didn't like it, critical and commercial response would indicate you are most deffinately in the minority, but each to their own.

I'm surprised about your comments about Tom Hardy, poular belief as far I was aware is that he is indeed a very good actor, but the weakness of the script made it impossible for him to showcase his talent.
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:11
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i've just had a though ..... yeahyeah ..... about WHO cumberbatch plays .....

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Old 06-12-2012, 15:17
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ETA: Warning, the Japanese trailer potentially includes a major, major spoiler if you're a Trek fan who knows their stuff. It may also imply who the baddie is.
Indeed it does. They'll never top the original version of that scene, especially the music they used during it. But it does appear they're replicating that part of their history.

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Old 06-12-2012, 15:23
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ETA: Warning, the Japanese trailer potentially includes a major, major spoiler if you're a Trek fan who knows their stuff. It may also imply who the baddie is.
Spoiler


Looking forward to the full trailer and the 9 min IMAX preview (although i'm seeing The Hobbit on the 13th and the preview wont be attached until the 14th, so i guess that gives me an excuse to see The Hobbit again).
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:30
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' Mirror, mirror'. Vulcan was blown up by Chris Pine's Kirk -sort of. .Someone , might be pretty darned annoyed especially if he was someone from the episode I've mentioned. " ...your world..", said Benedict C as whoever, not " ...our world".
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:40
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This looks like a great big sci fi spectacle/action movie - really entertaining looking - also quite possibly the least intelligent, most overtly populist in every sense trailer I have ever seen. I get the feeling, even more so than with the first one, going in to this movie as a blockbuster action fan rather than a trekkie may be the best course of action.

and also, the enterprise under water..... WTF Lol
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:46
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This looks like a great big sci fi spectacle/action movie - really entertaining looking - also quite possibly the least intelligent, most overtly populist in every sense trailer I have ever seen. I get the feeling, even more so than with the first one, going in to this movie as a blockbuster action fan rather than a trekkie may be the best course of action.
Why can't you be a fan of both? I loved the 2009 film as both a fan of sci-fi action movies and as a self confessed Trekkie. They've reinvigorated the series and brought it up to date, if they'd just continued making old school Star Trek films that only appealed to the core established audience they would have bombed like Nemesis did and we'd have no Star Trek at all.

I really don't see how you can say that the trailer is "the least intelligent and most overtly populist trailer" you've ever seen...it's a 60 second teaser trailer, all they can do in that amount of time is show a bunch of money shots. Wait for the full trailer, or better yet, wait for the film itself before bashing it for lacking intelligence...
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:54
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' Mirror, mirror'. Vulcan was blown up by Chris Pine's Kirk -sort of. .Someone , might be pretty darned annoyed especially if he was someone from the episode I've mentioned. " ...your world..", said Benedict C as whoever, not " ...our world".
So someone from a parallel timeline seeking revenge for the destruction of his homeworld...mmm, sounds familiar. I doubt very much they would use the basic same plot as the previous film.

(And in no shape or form did Kirk blow up Vulcan)
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:57
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It's a movie spin-off regarding DR.Who and the Trekkie crew. Hence why it's based around London
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