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Old 03-04-2013, 19:35
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According to the UKdigitalradio website Planet Rock is the only UK national rock station. This means Absolute classic rock and Kerrang are operating on smaller local or regional multiplexes to a smaller part of the population. I have not looked into this greatly. The point being if Team Rock is national and others are local then I am guessing Absolute and Kerrang will have their work cut out to survive commercially. I still think the no commercial spots idea is a winner provided they don't run out of money first.

There is nothing up on the OFCOM website yet about the format of the station.
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:09
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/a...-digital-radio

So sounds a bit different to Planetrock and Abs CR?
Sounds like it is going to be a cross between Planet Rock and the more contempary/alternative sound of Kerrang.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:35
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Changes to Digital One from http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radio-...tes/update0313

Addition of Team Rock: A Rock Music based radio station broadcasting a large and diverse range of specialist rock artists and genres. No more than 50% of the music during daytime will come from songs that have entered the UK Top 50 singles chart or can be reasonably termed as Classic Rock. The station will showcase the full range and breadth of the Rock genre across the week including a wide number of specialist programmes.

Absolute Radio 80s: change from stereo to mono

Planet Rock: change from stereo to mono
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:44
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So both stations say down from 112k to 80k (keeping quality mono) = 64k for Teamrock (using the latest encoder?).
Which means 14 stations now on D1 compared to 8 at launch?

Were Bauer and Absolute going to reduce bandwidth anyway rather than help a new rock station launch?
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Old 09-04-2013, 13:01
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So both stations say down from 112k to 80k (keeping quality mono) = 64k for Teamrock (using the latest encoder?).
Which means 14 stations now on D1 compared to 8 at launch?

Were Bauer and Absolute going to reduce bandwidth anyway rather than help a new rock station launch?
I bet Absolute 80s goes to 64kbps like all the other Absolute stations (bar the main service). Why would they make a special case for Absolute 80s?

So I reckon Planet Rock and TeamRock will both go to 80kbps.
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Old 09-04-2013, 14:06
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I bet Absolute 80s goes to 64kbps like all the other Absolute stations (bar the main service). Why would they make a special case for Absolute 80s?
Because it's such a popular station that does very well in the RAJARs.

Last time they had 'encoder problems' (hrmm) which saw the station running at a low bitrate, lots of people complained and led to One Golden Square issuing a statement on their website apologising.

Can't see 80s going down to 64kbps personally.

Edit: Just read that it's going down to Mono. FFS!

Frankly, this is getting silly - too many stations at a low bitrate. If everything is very low quality it'll start having an impact on those wishing to listen to DAB.

We REALLY need to crack on with DAB+ / 2nd National Mux.
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Old 09-04-2013, 15:38
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If everything ends up in mono, I think I'll get rid of the DAB radio in the car. I use my mobile for some of my in car listening but I'll probably go over totally to using it now. Mono for rock music just doesn't work. Jimi in mono, what's the point in playing it?
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Old 09-04-2013, 15:51
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It's time to look at Classic FM's ring-fencing at 160k. I think that's become indefensible now that everything else bar Absolute has been forced down into mono. If Classic FM went to 112k (since 128k seems to have gone out of fashion) it would free up 48k and save at least one service from going mono when TeamRock is added; the other two could then be at 80k instead of one being at 64k.

Classic FM is, after all, the only one of these services available nationally in hi-fi stereo anyway on FM!
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Old 09-04-2013, 16:36
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If everything ends up in mono, I think I'll get rid of the DAB radio in the car. I use my mobile for some of my in car listening but I'll probably go over totally to using it now. Mono for rock music just doesn't work. Jimi in mono, what's the point in playing it?
IMO mono for any music doesn't work.

I'd like to know why Capital, Heart and Gold are still at 112k when there is room to go back to 128k, S Hants Mux.
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Old 09-04-2013, 17:35
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Sounds like it is going to be a cross between Planet Rock and the more contempary/alternative sound of Kerrang.
Maybe the stuff they did for Download may give an idea of the sound.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/weareteamrock
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Old 09-04-2013, 18:56
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It's time to look at Classic FM's ring-fencing at 160k. I think that's become indefensible now that everything else bar Absolute has been forced down into mono. If Classic FM went to 112k (since 128k seems to have gone out of fashion) it would free up 48k and save at least one service from going mono when TeamRock is added; the other two could then be at 80k instead of one being at 64k.

Classic FM is, after all, the only one of these services available nationally in hi-fi stereo anyway on FM!
It doesn't work like that, Classic FM is at 160k because Global are prepared to pay Digital 1 for that much bit rate for their flagship national station.

It can only be reduced if Global decide they don't need as much as 160k. I would be very surprised if they reduce it to 112k.

IMO mono for any music doesn't work.

I'd like to know why Capital, Heart and Gold are still at 112k when there is room to go back to 128k, S Hants Mux.
It's because the capacity is charged per the number of kbits/sec and Global are not prepared to pay for more than 112k.

Most of the local muxes have spare capacity.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:08
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I think the time has come for a second national multiplex. In addition to some of the stations that are on Digital One, it could feature Absolute's other stations in stereo. However, more local multiplexes with few new local stations will be launched instead.

Team Rock was featured on the Guardian's Media Talk podcast. They won't be taking advertising in the same way other stations do. There isn't a shortage of rock stations for people to listen to. A new station starting in mono may not atract as many listeners as it would if it was in stereo. Planet Rock and Absolute Classic Rock launched in stereo.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:42
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It's been said before but this whole DAB thing is a bit of a joke isn't it? Here we are in 2013, with the 'future' broadcasting platform being transmitted in mono in bitrates that would shame a dodgy Mp3 from a torrent site. To mix metaphors it's shameful that successive governments haven't taken this particular dead parrot bull by the horns.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:47
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Reading Campaign magazine this week, three people from advertising agencies speialising in radio were asked whether the future for radio was DAB.

All three said No. Not even one thought it was.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:55
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Reading Campaign magazine this week, three people from advertising agencies speialising in radio were asked whether the future for radio was DAB.

All three said No. Not even one thought it was.
They actually said that the future of radio is digital and DAB will be part of it.

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/analysis/1176481/

Virtually everybody thinks that the internet will play some part in the future of radio. It's interesting to note that not one of those people think FM is the long-term future of radio. I think the guy that says FM won't be switched off in 2015 is stating the obvious.
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Old 09-04-2013, 19:58
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I think one of the reasons mono has survived is that stations like Premier, UCB UK, BFBS Radio and Jazz FM are the best options for their target audience. I don't know what the impact of going mono was on Amazing Radio, but that is when I stopped listening.

Planet Rock is now owned by Bauer. If it loses a lot of listeners because it has been reduced to mono, they may close it down and replace it with Kerrang. Absolute Radio seems determined to maintain six extra DAB stations no matter what. It's about quantity not quality to them. I don't think their next owners will choose quantity over quality.

I don't think Smooth Radio would be in mono if it wasn't on FM and owned by a major group.
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Old 09-04-2013, 20:15
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Where are they planning on basing the jobs advertised? Does anyone know where the studios will be?
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Old 09-04-2013, 21:11
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Where are they planning on basing the jobs advertised? Does anyone know where the studios will be?
The ads don't give a location, but from http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...0dd3a8ea83653b the base will be in Scotland with a London presence. Like Smooth guess some presenters and guests may be in London, but the production team and playout could be miles away elsewhere to save on London costs?
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:34
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It's time to look at Classic FM's ring-fencing at 160k. I think that's become indefensible now that everything else bar Absolute has been forced down into mono.
It doesn't work like that, Classic FM is at 160k because Global are prepared to pay Digital 1 for that much bit rate for their flagship national station.

It can only be reduced if Global decide they don't need as much as 160k. I would be very surprised if they reduce it to 112k.
You're right, of course, but in the past haven't stations reduced their bitrates and new stations (from other groups) appeared simultaneously, or very shortly thereafter, in the space freed up? This would suggest negotiation behind the scenes between the groups about how the capacity is divided up. Otherwise, one station would always have to reduce its bitrate first, leading to a period of under-utilization on the multiplex, before another station seized the opportunity created and moved in. TeamRock was announced before we knew publicly about Absolute 80s and Planet Rock going mono, when Digital 1 was still full.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:40
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Looks like Team Rock will serve as the retirement home for ex-GMG staff. Virtually the entire management team has come from there, so probably safe to assume the presenters will too.

Jobs for the boys eh John?

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2013/04/team...nagement-team/
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:25
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Interesting, maybe a station what fils the gap, Absolute Radio is missing. Maybe a sort of rebirth from Virgin Radio in there begin days on 1215 AM.
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Old 12-04-2013, 11:26
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Looks like Team Rock will serve as the retirement home for ex-GMG staff. Virtually the entire management team has come from there, so probably safe to assume the presenters will too.

Jobs for the boys eh John?

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2013/04/team...nagement-team/
TeamRock Radio which starts testing on national DAB within the next 10 days.
Testing soon!
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Old 12-04-2013, 12:04
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Looks like Team Rock will serve as the retirement home for ex-GMG staff. Virtually the entire management team has come from there, so probably safe to assume the presenters will too.

Jobs for the boys eh John?

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2013/04/team...nagement-team/
It would be nice to hear new presenter talent, i'm fed up with hearing the same old voices.

At some point new talent will be needed to replace ageing presenters.

You would think after 20 years or so of presenting, if they aren't at the BBC then it's time to move on and get a proper job.
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Old 12-04-2013, 14:56
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It would be nice to hear new presenter talent, i'm fed up with hearing the same old voices.

At some point new talent will be needed to replace ageing presenters.

You would think after 20 years or so of presenting, if they aren't at the BBC then it's time to move on and get a proper job.
Why new talent. New talent is nothing as good as the old ones.
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Old 12-04-2013, 19:06
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Dewsbury from Real xs has just finished his last stint tonight and by all the clues he's given out on his twitter feed , looks like he's one of the presenters , I for one am looking forward to this , no ads is always a good thing
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