[Betty Britain]

[quote=Chip Popple;59509248]

Originally Posted by Betty Britain

OMG, I didn't mean that - don't twist my words!!!

I meant I've changed my mind about her - I never had a problem with her before, hence my comment about being pleased she was to become a mum again.

And I'm still pleased for her pregnancy - it's just her I'm not pleased about.

But that isn't what you wrote... SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO MISINTERPRET SOMEONE'S WRITTEN WORD

[Chip Popple]

[quote=Betty Britain;59509573]

Originally Posted by Chip Popple

But that isn't what you wrote... SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO MISINTERPRET SOMEONE'S WRITTEN WORD

Oh report me then

[Unigal07]

Just saw that awful comment someone wrote about no longer being happy for Lily and her pregnancy because of what she's like on Twitter. How pathetic, nasty and petty. This thread has been good for some laughs, that's for sure.

[Chip Popple]

Looks like SOME folk don't know when to leave it there eh? Considering it's got absolutely nothing to do with them - pathetic, infantile, unwise........

[Chip Popple]

[quote=Chip Popple;59509248]

Originally Posted by Betty Britain

OMG, I didn't mean that - don't twist my words!!!

I meant I've changed my mind about her - I never had a problem with her before, hence my comment about being pleased she was to become a mum again.

[B]And I'm still pleased for her pregnancy - it's just her I'm not pleased about[/B].

Just in case people didn't read my comment p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y

[FingersAndToes]

I'm sorry, but if someone tweeted (as a part of a prank, or seriously) directly to me, to my twitter handle, any tweet with the words "adopted, Africa, sh*t, child) joined together, I would report it. There is no over reaction, or need for an apology from me. You want to post idiotic things, do it somewhere not directed at or to me, but once my @twitterhandle is included, I report anything offensive. If the tweeters can't handle it, they can unfollow me, and just not tweet me.

[Betty Britain]

[quote=Chip Popple;59511516]

Originally Posted by Chip Popple

Just in case people didn't read my comment p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y

Oooh I read it properly .. I was just pointing out the irony of words being misinterpreted so easily and the writer being made to look bad.. Then another person being offended because they misinterpreted what they ment.... So easily done isn't it???

[abarthman]

Originally Posted by FingersAndToes

I'm sorry, but if someone tweeted (as a part of a prank, or seriously) directly to me, to my twitter handle, any tweet with the words "adopted, Africa, sh*t, child) joined together, I would report it. There is no over reaction, or need for an apology from me. You want to post idiotic things, do it somewhere not directed at or to me, but once my @twitterhandle is included, I report anything offensive. If the tweeters can't handle it, they can unfollow me, and just not tweet me.

You have "followers" on Twitter?

What sort of humorous or interesting things do you Tweet?

[DavetheScot]

[quote=Chip Popple;59511516]

Originally Posted by Chip Popple

Just in case people didn't read my comment p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y

Her's your comment;

"I posted a comment on how pleased I was about Lily having a second child, this incident has made me change my mind"

You did say what you were accused of saying. No doubt you expressed yourself poorly, but don't blame the readers for not realising you'd done so.

Much, in fact, like our soldier. Those who say that it was obvious what his comment meant and that you'd have to deliberately try to interpret it as racist are wrong; his comment is wide open to both interpretations. Given his apology to Lily, I suspect the non-racist interpretation to be correct, but it's no blame to Lily that she put the other interpretation.

[Canks]

Originally Posted by FingersAndToes

I'm sorry, but if someone tweeted (as a part of a prank, or seriously) directly to me, to my twitter handle, any tweet with the words "adopted, Africa, sh*t, child) joined together, I would report it. There is no over reaction, or need for an apology from me. You want to post idiotic things, do it somewhere not directed at or to me, but once my @twitterhandle is included, I report anything offensive. If the tweeters can't handle it, they can unfollow me, and just not tweet me.

I am really not trying to be confrontational or provocative but why would your default position be to report? I think I would prefer to challenge and confront.

[Daisy Bennyboots]

I take it by accepting the flowers, Lily does not think the guy is racist? You wouldn't really accept flowers off a racist would you??? So has she too retracted her complaint?

[Rosie Thorn]

[quote=DavetheScot;59521787]

Originally Posted by Chip Popple

Her's your comment;

"I posted a comment on how pleased I was about Lily having a second child, this incident has made me change my mind"

You did say what you were accused of saying. No doubt you expressed yourself poorly, but don't blame the readers for not realising you'd done so.

Much, in fact, like our soldier. Those who say that it was obvious what his comment meant and that you'd have to deliberately try to interpret it as racist are wrong; his comment is wide open to both interpretations. Given his apology to Lily, I suspect the non-racist interpretation to be correct, but it's no blame to Lily that she put the other interpretation.

I think I must be incredibly naive. I read her (Is chip a her?) comment as meaning she had changed her mind about thinking Lily Allen was a nice person and now regretted posting pregnancy congratulations NOT that she had now changed her mind and now wished Lily had failed to get pregnant.

With the soldier's tweet, again, I read it as taking a pop at celebrities buying babies NOT as calling black babies shit. Which is bad enough, why bother to tweet such a thing, but is not as bad as assuming someone would draw such an appalling comparison.

I do accept that people, especially celebs, that use Twitter get a huge amount of abuse and, therefore, may see the worst interpretation whenever anything is ambiguous.

On the reporting front, I don't use Twitter so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but I was under the impression that tweets couldn't be seen unless they were re-tweeted. I think the soldier's tweet makes no sense as it stands (however he meant it) so if I'd received it it I would be asking what he meant by it. If he came back saying 'it's obvious what I mean - black babies are shit!!!' then, definitely I would report him AND make a song and dance about it.

I do think that all this shows why you should definitely read back anything you put 'out there' to make sure that you have typed what you mean and that anyone reading it doesn't need to make assumptions in order to understand you. BUT, I also think that a very large number of people have very poor levels of written communication (both actually writing their thoughts down coherently and understanding what has been written). I often find myself 'interpreting' what someone has written on a forum (often cos I think 'no they couldn't possibly have meant that the way it sounds'). Sorry if this last paragraph makes me sound as though I'm criticising - I'm just trying to say that a lot of people mis-represent themselves or mis-interpret things through lack of skill not out of nastiness.

[RealityRocks]

Well giving the lad the benefit of the doubt, it looks far more like missing parenthesis than racism. I dunno why we're so quick to jump on the racism bandwagon these days - there are far more thick people (and a far higher percentage of people with no grammar or spelling skills on Twitter!) than overt racists.

Anyway, why anyone really wants a Twitter or to Tweet or whatever is beyond me. I couldn't give a flying toss what Lily Allen is doing tomorrow or whether Stephen Fry has just had a really nice sandwich, much less tell other people the banalities of my own life (unless you're interested. I've just had a glass of cherryade and popped some jeans in the wash).

It causes so many arguments, it's like a big virtual playground.

[seansnotmyname@]

Originally Posted by DavetheScot

I think I must be incredibly naive. I read her (Is chip a her?) comment as meaning she had changed her mind about thinking Lily Allen was a nice person and now regretted posting pregnancy congratulations NOT that she had now changed her mind and now wished Lily had failed to get pregnant.

With the soldier's tweet, again, I read it as taking a pop at celebrities buying babies NOT as calling black babies shit. Which is bad enough, why bother to tweet such a thing, but is not as bad as assuming someone would draw such an appalling comparison.

I do accept that people, especially celebs, that use Twitter get a huge amount of abuse and, therefore, may see the worst interpretation whenever anything is ambiguous.

On the reporting front, I don't use Twitter so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but I was under the impression that tweets couldn't be seen unless they were re-tweeted. I think the soldier's tweet makes no sense as it stands (however he meant it) so if I'd received it it I would be asking what he meant by it. If he came back saying 'it's obvious what I mean - black babies are shit!!!' then, definitely I would report him AND make a song and dance about it.

I do think that all this shows why you should definitely read back anything you put 'out there' to make sure that you have typed what you mean and that anyone reading it doesn't need to make assumptions in order to understand you. BUT, I also think that a very large number of people have very poor levels of written communication (both actually writing their thoughts down coherently and understanding what has been written). I often find myself 'interpreting' what someone has written on a forum (often cos I think 'no they couldn't possibly have meant that the way it sounds'). Sorry if this last paragraph makes me sound as though I'm criticising - I'm just trying to say that a lot of people mis-represent themselves or mis-interpret things through lack of skill not out of nastiness.

He aimed the tweet at her@lilycooper, or whatever her twitter name is, I don't actually follow her. It was all part of an "hilarious" wind-up, the fact is Lily hasn't adopted a baby, so why would she think it's a gag at slebs adopting babies. It read as racist to me. Again I have little sympathy with idjits sending abuse, getting misinterpreted. Stop doing it, and their won't be a problem.

I like twitter, I do follow slebs, but it keeps me up to date with radio shows, sports teams, tv shows, entertainment gossip, and there are some funny people such as Armando Ianucci, Caitlin Moran, Simon Blackwell, and many others.

I think it's ruined by people like this soldier who just seem to wish to abuse people for no real reason, so anything that may make it stop is good for me.

Mind you, as someone that was recently blocked by Emma Freud, perhaps I shouldn't be so high-and-mighty, it was I daresay by me, a freudian slip...

[Betty Britain]

I follow some celebs on twitter as that's usually where they talk about their latest project first.. I happened to mention something about a male celeb I didn't like about him and the abuse I received was rediculous. At first I replied. But now I read,laugh at and block.

[Pumpkin Soup]

Spelling & Grammar save lives. Well, jobs in this case.

[Rosie Thorn]

Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@

He aimed the tweet at her@lilycooper, or whatever her twitter name is, I don't actually follow her. It was all part of an "hilarious" wind-up, the fact is Lily hasn't adopted a baby, so why would she think it's a gag at slebs adopting babies. It read as racist to me. Again I have little sympathy with idjits sending abuse, getting misinterpreted. Stop doing it, and their won't be a problem.

I like twitter, I do follow slebs, but it keeps me up to date with radio shows, sports teams, tv shows, entertainment gossip, and there are some funny people such as Armando Ianucci, Caitlin Moran, Simon Blackwell, and many others.

I think it's ruined by people like this soldier who just seem to wish to abuse people for no real reason, so anything that may make it stop is good for me.

Mind you, as someone that was recently blocked by Emma Freud, perhaps I shouldn't be so high-and-mighty, it was I daresay by me, a freudian slip...

Thanks for explaining Twitter to me (that's a genuine thanks not sarcasm).

I don't think we can wipe out idiots (or the the grammatically challenged) so I think I'll just stick to being naive (or idealistic as I was called on another thread)

Last sentence - very droll!

[Nikkiclody]

Lily Allen has way too much times on her hands it seems her Nanny must be busy, she is an arrogant up herself bitch...always looking for a fight on Twitter like some street chav, but she is ever so ever so and posh when it suits her.
I watched her documentary about her stupid designer/second hand clothes shop and she is so false
Her fake laugh and put on posh voice grated on me, she should have followed her Dad into acting, she has a split personality, and acted for the cameras she was never herself.

[String9]

Originally Posted by SarahJam

Has he said he missed punctuation on his tweet?

I'm not a fan of the reporting culture...but that is offensive if the context its written in is what he intended.

I can't believe some people are saying she's overacting, I'm completely on her side.

^^^This

[String9]

Originally Posted by Generalissimo

She has complained to the MoD because someone made a very light joke about a baby she didn't adopt, which no sensible person would interpret as 'racism'. If someone called me a **** in the middle of the street, as a rational person my first thought would not be to report it at my local police station. Twitter is no different.

She reported him to his bosses, you report crime to the police, there is a difference.

Some idiot once swore at me and spat on my windscreen, while I was driving and had my young children in the car. The fool probably forgot he was driving a company van with the name and phone number of the company on it. I had no problem calling the company and reporting the driver. He was told to write a letter of apology to me - case closed. Lily did the right thing.

[Hamilton1]

I do not understand how the tweet is racist.

Babies in Africa could be of many different ethnicity. Not everyone in Africa is black.

Algerians, Nigerians, and White South Africans are look different but are all African.

Isn't it actually racist to assume all African people are black?

[DavetheScot]

Originally Posted by Rosie Thorn

I think I must be incredibly naive. I read her (Is chip a her?) comment as meaning she had changed her mind about thinking Lily Allen was a nice person and now regretted posting pregnancy congratulations NOT that she had now changed her mind and now wished Lily had failed to get pregnant.

That appears to be what chip now says he/she meant, and I'm happy to accept that it is. But the way they phrased it, they said they'd been pleased about her pregnancy but had now changed their mind. That definitely implies that chip wished she'd failed to get pregnant. It's not really worth a song and dance about it as chip has now clarified, but it irritates me that they insist it was down to people not reading their comment properly when the error was their own in expressing their thoughts badly.

Originally Posted by Rosie Thorn

With the soldier's tweet, again, I read it as taking a pop at celebrities buying babies NOT as calling black babies shit. Which is bad enough, why bother to tweet such a thing, but is not as bad as assuming someone would draw such an appalling comparison.

I do accept that people, especially celebs, that use Twitter get a huge amount of abuse and, therefore, may see the worst interpretation whenever anything is ambiguous.

On the reporting front, I don't use Twitter so excuse me if I'm being stupid, but I was under the impression that tweets couldn't be seen unless they were re-tweeted. I think the soldier's tweet makes no sense as it stands (however he meant it) so if I'd received it it I would be asking what he meant by it. If he came back saying 'it's obvious what I mean - black babies are shit!!!' then, definitely I would report him AND make a song and dance about it.

I do think that all this shows why you should definitely read back anything you put 'out there' to make sure that you have typed what you mean and that anyone reading it doesn't need to make assumptions in order to understand you. BUT, I also think that a very large number of people have very poor levels of written communication (both actually writing their thoughts down coherently and understanding what has been written). I often find myself 'interpreting' what someone has written on a forum (often cos I think 'no they couldn't possibly have meant that the way it sounds'). Sorry if this last paragraph makes me sound as though I'm criticising - I'm just trying to say that a lot of people mis-represent themselves or mis-interpret things through lack of skill not out of nastiness.

You read the comment one way, Lily, like me and others, read it another way. I don't think it's appalling to think that people would make such a comparison as she thought they were because people DO say things like this. Have a look at stormfront some time, or at comments sections on some youtube videos; there are really hardcore racists out there, and they'd say things like this.

[DavetheScot]

Originally Posted by Hamilton1

I do not understand how the tweet is racist.

Babies in Africa could be of many different ethnicity. Not everyone in Africa is black.

Algerians, Nigerians, and White South Africans are look different but are all African.

Isn't it actually racist to assume all African people are black?

I think you're being disingenuous. The generic term Africans is often used for black people.

[DavetheScot]

Originally Posted by Daisy Bennyboots

I take it by accepting the flowers, Lily does not think the guy is racist? You wouldn't really accept flowers off a racist would you??? So has she too retracted her complaint?

She's indicated that the whole thing should be put behind both of them. I'd say it does suggest she accepts the tweet wasn't meant to be racist.

I don't know if she can retract her complaint.

[Pfrancis]

I'm worried by some of the comments on here TBH.Lily Allen IS a bit of a twit at times but that really has nothing to do with "one of our boys" calling a black child a "sh*t".Just because somebody insults someone in a digital way doesn't mean its any less offensive unless this man would have said it to her face.
Yes there ARE kids in this country that need our help also but I personally don't go with the "help our own" attitude.
I will help anyone but if there is somebody else in the world who is more needy THEY will get my help first regardless wether they are british,african etc