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Old 25-05-2016, 07:43
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I re-watched this recently and did quite enjoy it but one thing I noticed is how inconsequential the Doctor and Jo are to the whole thing. All the action seems to go on around on them and their main part of the plot seems to involve being captured, escaping and then re-captured by someone else.

This story seems to some up perfectly when people think of overlong classic stories which just involved the Doctor and his companion being locked up for long periods of time. I kept count and during the course of the adventure the Doctor and Jo are captured and locked up in 6 different prisons!

I did really like the Draconians though. A great design and nice to see an alien race depicted in a different way with quite a rich culture and history to tap into. It's surprising that they were never re-used, especially as they were one of Pertwee's favourites. I'd really like to see them re-appear in NuWho though. I think the effects team could work wonders re-modelling them in the style of modern Silurian's, with make and prosthetics.

Also a special shout out to the Delgado documentary on the DVD. It's nice to see how well loved he was amongst the cast and crew.
I often wonder where you would go with the Draconians if they were brought back in the new series. They're not really evil so you couldn't have them as invading planets and being villains etc.

I'm sure if they did come back, they would think of some clever way of writing them into a story.

Maybe having another fallout between Earth and Draconia would be the obvious answer.

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Old 25-05-2016, 09:58
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Yeah I enjoy this one.

Pertwee and Delgado are both on brilliant form, and the Draconian's are very complex creatures.

Very good, all in all. Even the effects are decent.
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Old 25-05-2016, 10:36
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I like the scale of this one, you see quite a lot of the universe in this one and get a decent appreciation of the state of the universe, with all the different locations. Which considering it was set in the Pertwee era, gives it a breath of fresh air.
I like the fact there is a Draconian Embassy on Earth etc.. and I like the stories with a political slant towards it, much like The Curse of Peladon another Pertwee era story set in space with a political backdrop to it.
Surprising then we have not seen the Draconian's since really.
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Old 25-05-2016, 20:31
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I re-watched this recently and did quite enjoy it but one thing I noticed is how inconsequential the Doctor and Jo are to the whole thing. All the action seems to go on around on them and their main part of the plot seems to involve being captured, escaping and then re-captured by someone else.

This story seems to some up perfectly when people think of overlong classic stories which just involved the Doctor and his companion being locked up for long periods of time. I kept count and during the course of the adventure the Doctor and Jo are captured and locked up in 6 different prisons!

I did really like the Draconians though. A great design and nice to see an alien race depicted in a different way with quite a rich culture and history to tap into. It's surprising that they were never re-used, especially as they were one of Pertwee's favourites. I'd really like to see them re-appear in NuWho though. I think the effects team could work wonders re-modelling them in the style of modern Silurian's, with make and prosthetics.

Also a special shout out to the Delgado documentary on the DVD. It's nice to see how well loved he was amongst the cast and crew.
I don't really mind that Jo and the Doctor aren't pushing the action. I love the grand scale of the universe the story presents and it wouldn't be so enjoyable. if the action always occurred around them. Sometimes you just stumble into a place where other events are already happening.
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Old 25-05-2016, 21:31
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I always thought the scene where Roger Delgado's Master revealed the Daleks was one of the most badass moments in the entire show, it's just a shame the following story couldn't live up to their surprise appearance. This was Delgado's last story before his untimely death however and his final appearance on the show was certainly worth writing home about.

The Draconians are some of my favourite aliens to have appeared in the show's history, so it's always bugged me that they've still never returned on the television.
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Old 26-05-2016, 12:05
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I re-watched this recently and did quite enjoy it but one thing I noticed is how inconsequential the Doctor and Jo are to the whole thing. All the action seems to go on around on them and their main part of the plot seems to involve being captured, escaping and then re-captured by someone else.

This story seems to some up perfectly when people think of overlong classic stories which just involved the Doctor and his companion being locked up for long periods of time. I kept count and during the course of the adventure the Doctor and Jo are captured and locked up in 6 different prisons!

I did really like the Draconians though. A great design and nice to see an alien race depicted in a different way with quite a rich culture and history to tap into. It's surprising that they were never re-used, especially as they were one of Pertwee's favourites. I'd really like to see them re-appear in NuWho though. I think the effects team could work wonders re-modelling them in the style of modern Silurian's, with make and prosthetics.
Yes please -bring them back to new Who -I think there's a few of us out there who would like to see them back & as they were always more than 2 dimensional aliens, they could work quite well in the new series.

No please -don't redesign them -the design of the Draconians worked perfectly well in the original series, don't ruin them as happened with the Silurians who ended up looking more Draconian and being more like trustworthy versions of the Draconians (kind of), and thus losing their more rudimentary, primeval "monster qualities". Which I think worked better for underground/ undersea dwelling reptilians who wanted humans off "their planet" -aka the Silurians/ Sea Devils (back when you could write about a species in general being opposed to humans, before the PC police got involved).

So maybe that's the problem -it is now difficult to bring the Draconians back as the dumb arses in charge made the Silurians both look too much like the Draconians and possibly behave too much like them as well.
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Old 01-06-2016, 15:03
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The Ice Warriors did very badly out of their C21st revamp. Leave the Draconians where they are, I say.
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