[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by KornerKabin

The funny thing is that everyone hated (or at least strongly resented) everyone else!

Ena hated everyone, everyone hated Ena.

Ken hated everyone, everyone hated Ken.

Frank hated Ken, Ken hated Frank.

Ena hated Elsie, Elsie hated Ena.

... and so on ...

The general dislike that a lot of people have of one another was the main driver behind the drama - not explosions, affairs or murders.

Corrie still shines when it does a good feud between characters (Eileen vs Gail is case in point).

Agreed. Some of Elsie Tanner's verbal fights with Ena Sharples are legendary. It reflected the times and machinations of the North very well. That is, dour, miserable, tedious, prosaic, yet compelling viewing.
Now it's like an advert for Alton Park.

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by KornerKabin

The funny thing is that everyone hated (or at least strongly resented) everyone else!

Ena hated everyone, everyone hated Ena.

Ken hated everyone, everyone hated Ken.

Frank hated Ken, Ken hated Frank.

Ena hated Elsie, Elsie hated Ena.

... and so on ...

The general dislike that a lot of people have of one another was the main driver behind the drama - not explosions, affairs or murders.

Corrie still shines when it does a good feud between characters (Eileen vs Gail is case in point).

I think you are on to something here, KK.

Not only do a lot the characters hate each other, but we hate them too, so, when there is a feud between them, they seem to act as proxies on our behalf, chanelling our bile, resentment and outright loathing.

'Stick the nut on him, Peter!'

'De-plum him, Carla!'

'Burn his books, Dierdre!'

They speak for England!!!

[David the Wavid]

Ken has actually lived outside Coronation Street, as he moved in with Wendy Crozier when Deirdre kicked him out in 1990.

[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

I think you are on to something here, KK.

Not only do a lot the characters hate each other, but we hate them too, so, when there is a feud between them, they seem to act as proxies on our behalf, chanelling our bile, resentment and outright loathing.

'Stick the nut on him, Peter!'

'De-plum him, Carla!'

'Burn his books, Dierdre!'

They speak for England!!!

Think back to those 405 line days. See in your mind Elsie's house, the Snug, the corner shop, Alber Tatlock's house, Len's woodyard..

..now think of Sean and Mary.

From grit to joke.

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by David the Wavid

Ken has actually lived outside Coronation Street, as he moved in with Wendy Crozier when Deirdre kicked him out in 1990.

The woman who played Wendy Crozier was Dave Glover's mam in Emmy after that, acting as if butter wouldn't melt, conveniently forgetting she'd had that sordid thing with Ken.

I was appalled at her brass neck truth be told.

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

Think back to those 405 line days. See in your mind Elsie's house, the Snug, the corner shop, Alber Tatlock's house, Len's woodyard..

..now think of Sean and Mary.

From grit to joke.

Yes.

The 405 line days.

Can't manage it now though.

My septum rotted away.

Actualy, I remember vividly watching the first episode of Coronation Street as a kid.

I seriously thought it was a documentary at first, with its gritty black and white, realistic dialogue and (shock horror) regional accents.

The camera seeming to prowl through the street and into the door of the Rovers.

The miserable old cows sitting together in the snug, putting everyone, including each other, down.

The strict social hierarchy from the lumpen Tanners to the respectable working class Barlows, and all within the narrow, compressed social band of a single street.

Is that serious enough for you?

As for the septum, you can take it or leave it.

[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

Yes.

The 405 line days.

Can't manage it now though.

My septum rotted away.

Actualy, I remember vividly watching the first episode of Coronation Street as a kid.

I seriously thought it was a documentary at first, with its gritty black and white, realistic dialogue and (shock horror) regional accents.

The camera seeming to prowl through the street and into the door of the Rovers.

The miserable old cows sitting together in the snug, putting everyone, including each other, down.

The strict social hierarchy from the lumpen Tanners to the respectable working class Barlows, and all within the narrow, compressed social band of a single street.

Is that serious enough for you?

As for the septum, you can take it or leave it.

Marching powder aside, it was scheduled for 13 episodes if I recall. As kids we would hear the theme tune and be instantly depressed by that alone.
Yet we were drawn in like everyone else. It was a first, like Dr Who and soon had that addictive quality drawing you back.
It was to see if Ena could be even more offensive, Swindley even less interesting, Len more aggressive, Ken more irritating, Elsie more feisty, and Annie even more imperious.
I cannot articulate how ineffable the fun was derived from writing that.

[sianlovescats]

Originally Posted by David the Wavid

Ken has actually lived outside Coronation Street, as he moved in with Wendy Crozier when Deirdre kicked him out in 1990.

Yuk, I just remembered the scene of Ken and Wendy in bed. I think I want to puke!

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

Marching powder aside, it was scheduled for 13 episodes if I recall. As kids we would hear the theme tune and be instantly depressed by that alone.
Yet we were drawn in like everyone else. It was a first, like Dr Who and soon had that addictive quality drawing you back.
It was to see if Ena could be even more offensive, Swindley even less interesting, Len more aggressive, Ken more irritating, Elsie more feisty, and Annie even more imperious.
I cannot articulate how ineffable the fun was derived from writing that.

Yes! Yes!

YES!!!

Even now I always mute the sound when the theme tune comes on.

The colliery band-type music over the titles. The dragging tempo. The slight hint of late-50s Trad Jazz.

It's not only because of the eternally miserable emotions the music conjurs up.

As a Geordie, I always resented the faux Northerness that Coronation Street represented for me.

Northerness? NORTHERNESS???

Manchester is in the South, people.

The SOUTH!!!

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

Marching powder aside, it was scheduled for 13 episodes if I recall. As kids we would hear the theme tune and be instantly depressed by that alone.
Yet we were drawn in like everyone else. It was a first, like Dr Who and soon had that addictive quality drawing you back.
It was to see if Ena could be even more offensive, Swindley even less interesting, Len more aggressive, Ken more irritating, Elsie more feisty, and Annie even more imperious.
I cannot articulate how ineffable the fun was derived from writing that.

Reminds me of the Gerswhin standard, Ineffable You!

[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

Yes! Yes!

YES!!!

Even now I always mute the sound when the theme tune comes on.

The colliery band-type music over the titles, the dragging tempo? The slight hint of late-50s Trad Jazz.

It's not only because of the eternally miserable emotions the music conjurs up.

As a Geordie, I always resented the faux Northereness that Coronation Street represented for me.

Northerness? NORTHERNESS???

Manchester is in the South, people.

The SOUTH!!!

It would have to be Bigg Market Street and characters like The Brown Bottle, The Bacons, Sid, Parkie, Paul McVicar-Tall Vicar and be about bloaters, gannin oot and haddaway and shine up yer buttons with Brasso. I suppose.
Tales from Jarrow, Whitley Bay and Spanish City.
Could have been worse. Maccams.

[priscilla]

yeah his 72 i also remember those 72 shaped peanut bowls deirdre gave him

[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

Reminds me of the Gerswhin standard, Ineffable You!

Not quite verbatim hence the inferred amusement to which I have suitably yielded.
Just as Ken imparts ironic, sardonic rejoinders.

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

It would have to be Bigg Market Street and characters like The Brown Bottle, The Bacons, Sid, Parkie, Paul McVicar-Tall Vicar and be about bloaters, gannin oot and haddaway and shine up yer buttons with Brasso. I suppose.
Tales from Jarrow, Whitley Bay and Spanish City.
Could have been worse. Maccams.

Or, and this is a cry that used to echo constantly through the streets of my childhood.

'Harraway and play where ye live!'

And, for your info, that is The Spanish Titty, in Tittley Bay.

[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

Or, and this is a cry that used to echo constantly through the streets of my childhood.

'Harraway and play where ye live!'

And, for your info, that is The Spanish Titty, in Tittley Bay.

Spanish city gone now - don't know if the lighthouse remains.
Thank you for the correction.

Ken's plummy voice, now. Compare that to when they're mending a bike puncture in the old man's room back in episode 1.

[Uncle Quentin]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

Or, and this is a cry that used to echo constantly through the streets of my childhood.

'Harraway and play where ye live!'

And, for your info, that is The Spanish Titty, in Tittley Bay.

'Hookit and give m'head peace!'

That was my Irish old man's favourite saying.

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

Spanish city gone now - don't know if the lighthouse remains.
Thank you for the correction.

Ken's plummy voice, now. Compare that to when they're mending a bike puncture in the old man's room back in episode 1.

It remains. It remains, and if you stand there just after dawn on a sunny summers morning, looking back across the bay towards the SpanishTitty, you have the illusion, through the haze, of looking at the Boulevard des Anglais in Nice, or the Casino in Monte Carlo.

The illusion lasts but for a fleeting moment, before you are you are brutally woken from your reverie by the cry of:

'Harraway and play where ye live!'

[maisymoo]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

It remains. It remains, and if you stand there just after dawn on a sunny summers morning, looking back across the bay towards the SpanishTitty, you have the ilusion, through the haze, of looking at the Boulevard des Anglais in Nice, or the Casino in Monte Carlo.

The illusion lasts but for a fleeting moment, before you are you are brutally woken from your reverie by the cry of:

'Harraway and play where ye live!'

..as you are cut off by the tide.
It's like the splendid replica Venetian campanile in Grimsby - The Dock Tower!

Ken would like that, a bell tower on Rosamund Street.

[Lillers]

Originally Posted by KornerKabin

Ken's only 72, it's Bill Roache that's in his 80s.

There's a whole backstory to Corrie that goes back way beyond the show's start in 1960. Most of the original cast had been living on Coronation Street for nearly 30 years according to the story.

Elsie Tanner moved into No.11 in 1939 and Ena Sharples had been on the street for a good few years before that. Jack and Annie Walker took over the Rovers in 1937 and Elsie Lappin, who was moving out of the street in 1960, had been running the corner shop since 1930.

Yes it seems obvious that the street didn't just appear when the soap started, and that it was meant to have existed before then, to give us the impression that it is a real street, otherwise it wouldn't be realistic at all (not that it really is anyway )

[KornerKabin]

Originally Posted by Lillers

Yes it seems obvious that the street didn't just appear when the soap started, and that it was meant to have existed before then, to give us the impression that it is a real street, otherwise it wouldn't be realistic at all (not that it really is anyway )

I'm just thinking, didn't Brookside have all of its residents moving into the new houses during the first episodes?

[priscilla]

maisy moo and OV are back from their trip, good times

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by priscilla

maisy moo and OV are back from their trip, good times

We know what you did, Priscilla.

We know....what....you...did!

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by maisymoo

..as you are cut off by the tide.
It's like the splendid replica Venetian campanile in Grimsby - The Dock Tower!

Ken would like that, a bell tower on Rosamund Street.

BTW, speaking of Venetian campaniles, what IS Brian Sewell doing these days???

[priscilla]

Originally Posted by Outraged Viewer

We know what you did, Priscilla.

We know....what....you...did!

what did i do?

i know what you two did
so you both went to see the armenian farmers ....
and now your both back to tell us the story

[Outraged Viewer]

Originally Posted by priscilla

what did i do?

i know what you two did
so you both went to see the armenian farmers ....
and now your both back to tell us the story

Priscilla, you know what you did.

We are very dissapointed in you.

The Armenians were aghast!