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Who would be a good celeb partner for Aliona
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AlionasNo1Fan
12-07-2012
Who would you like to see Aliona Vilani dancing with on this series of Strictly ?
*Topaz*
12-07-2012
Well even without knowing the full line up I know this series I would like Aliona to have a less talented partner because for the past two years she's been very lucky and had the ringers! Even in her first year she had a potentially good contestant in Rav with whom she should have done better!

So sorry Aliona fans if she gets another good contestant this year it will be a complete and utter joke and it'll make me wonder yet again why producers want her dominating the show when she's not even the best female pro!

I will just add on that I've got nothing against her though and I do like her............welll sometimes when she's not annoying me
ForerroRocher
12-07-2012
Honestly, I'd rather not see her with a duffer.

The problem with duffers is that their Pros tend to go for the comedy angle with their choreography, and Aliona doesn't really need ammunition to create comedy routines. I suspect that, if she had a duffer, she'd go for the comedy aim, and the combination would just be TOO much.

Duffers/Comedy acts are better with Flavia/Ola/Anton, where they tend to find a reasonable balance between pantomine and actualy choreography.

Aliona would probably be BEST suited to a middle of the road/average celebrity (I'm thinking Gavin Henson-type here) where her safest bet is wacky choreography (that she loves so much) that doesn't necessarily have the celebrity to stripped back with the technique (where their flaws are most likely to be seen) but still has choreography decent enough to know what dance they're doing.

I think the average/middle of the road celebs would be a far bigger test for her than either a complete duffer, or a frontrunner. Somebody she can pull through a couple of weeks by giving them a stand-out routine (even if it is just for laughs) but not a front runner she can take to the final and blow their chaces with some potentially unpopular choreography.

(Yes, I know what she did with Harry last year, and she did brilliant, wven with the simple choreography, but I still rank her fairly low on my list of favourite choreographers.)

All just my opinion, of course.
Damahepa
12-07-2012
Originally Posted by ForerroRocher:
“Honestly, I'd rather not see her with a duffer.

The problem with duffers is that their Pros tend to go for the comedy angle with their choreography, and Aliona doesn't really need ammunition to create comedy routines. I suspect that, if she had a duffer, she'd go for the comedy aim, and the combination would just be TOO much.

Duffers/Comedy acts are better with Flavia/Ola/Anton, where they tend to find a reasonable balance between pantomine and actualy choreography.

Aliona would probably be BEST suited to a middle of the road/average celebrity (I'm thinking Gavin Henson-type here) where her safest bet is wacky choreography (that she loves so much) that doesn't necessarily have the celebrity to stripped back with the technique (where their flaws are most likely to be seen) but still has choreography decent enough to know what dance they're doing.

I think the average/middle of the road celebs would be a far bigger test for her than either a complete duffer, or a frontrunner. Somebody she can pull through a couple of weeks by giving them a stand-out routine (even if it is just for laughs) but not a front runner she can take to the final and blow their chaces with some potentially unpopular choreography.

(Yes, I know what she did with Harry last year, and she did brilliant, wven with the simple choreography, but I still rank her fairly low on my list of favourite choreographers.)

All just my opinion, of course. ”

I see where you're saying- without any real expectation to win, Aliona may slip into the type of choreography she did with Rav and Matt, considering there was a stark improvement with Harry (Even if a lot of their ballroom was NOT within the rules, however pretty)

However, I think even if she has a MOR celeb, she'd do a lot more of that, but still be kept in, and I think someone like Natalie or Kristina, who probably won't have a good one this year, would do a much better job.

I'd rather have 2 or 3 car-crash routines, and then be shot of Aliona, than see something which is going to rile Len, and other dance purists, going on for 6 or 7 weeks. I reckon someone getting on a bit in years would be best.

So, if you're a man, and you're 55 +, and taking part in this year's strictly, say hello to you new lady, if there's any justice!
olivej
13-07-2012
I would like to see her with someone dedicated and hardworking
Kmc1978
13-07-2012
Deleted- as the post I quoted was deleted
olivej
13-07-2012
sorry - I dont know what is going on with my posts

they have gone wacky
kaycee
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by olivej:
“I would like to see her with someone dedicated and hardworking”

Ditto this
olivej
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“Deleted- as the post I quoted was deleted ”

sorry, I dont know what is going on with my posts

they have gone wacky

tried to edit and ended up somehow deleting what I had first posted
Kmc1978
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by olivej:
“sorry, I dont know what is going on with my posts

they have gone wacky

tried to edit and ended up somehow deleting what I had first posted ”

That's ok, thought i'd best delete mine so not to confuse anyone, only to find you'd quoted me... I blame it being friday the 13th
TheAuburnEnigma
13-07-2012
Well she's had 2 TV presenters and a musician, so I'd like to see her with either an actor or a sportsman.

The rumoured Ronnie O'Sullivan would be a great partner for her - someone who's a middle of the road type, but yet has a better body shape for dancing compared to Rav.
ForerroRocher
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“I'd rather have 2 or 3 car-crash routines, and then be shot of Aliona, than see something which is going to rile Len, and other dance purists, going on for 6 or 7 weeks. I reckon someone getting on a bit in years would be best.”

That's true. And duffers, although usually outstay their welcome, do tend to be rid of before the competition gets really serious. I hadn't thought of it like that.
Jan2555*GG*
13-07-2012
someone older and without a huge fan base
21stCenturyBoy
13-07-2012
Trevor Nelson.

He has potential but is nearly 50 and DJ's don't tend to do very well on the show (Spoony & Goldie notable examples!)

Height wise he matches Aliona, and I think he would be more of a challenge than her previous two.
fatskia
13-07-2012
Since series 6 we have had less emphasis on sticking to the rules.
eg. Len liking Brendan's illegal lift.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1559432

Props are encouraged, long lead ins before going into hold and long finishes after coming out of hold are OK. You can break out of hold in the middle of the routine too for up to 10 seconds. We have seen many breaks of hold and back into hold which havent been pulled up so presumably you can do it more than once.

If you dont like the dance you were asked to do, go the politicians route and give them something they didn't ask for - like a bit of Disco.

So seemingly that is what the previous producers wanted.

Now we have new producers and I dont know what direction they will take the show.

The only change has been to remove a dancer from a ballroom dancing background and replace her with a dancer with a Latin Rhythm background and a World Championship in Mambo.

Aliona has had two good years which I have really enjoyed watching. There are many other good dancers on the show who can also do a very good job with a celeb with potential, so I hope they will get a lot of celebs with potential and share them around. I would like to see Aliona get someone maybe not at the top of the potential list but still on the list because I like her work.

The one thing I'm fairly sure of is that Karen will get a good celeb.
Dilly 1
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“Since series 6 we have had less emphasis on sticking to the rules.
eg. Len liking Brendan's illegal lift.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1559432

Props are encouraged, long lead ins before going into hold and long finishes after coming out of hold are OK. You can break out of hold in the middle of the routine too for up to 10 seconds. We have seen many breaks of hold and back into hold which havent been pulled up so presumably you can do it more than once.

If you dont like the dance you were asked to do, go the politicians route and give them something they didn't ask for - like a bit of Disco.

So seemingly that is what the previous producers wanted.

Now we have new producers and I dont know what direction they will take the show.

The only change has been to remove a dancer from a ballroom dancing background and replace her with a dancer with a Latin Rhythm background and a World Championship in Mambo.

Aliona has had two good years which I have really enjoyed watching. There are many other good dancers on the show who can also do a very good job with a celeb with potential, so I hope they will get a lot of celebs with potential and share them around. I would like to see Aliona get someone maybe not at the top of the potential list but still on the list because I like her work.

The one thing I'm fairly sure of is that Karen will get a good celeb.”

I would agree with this I like a lot of her choreography too and while I don't think she should get the blatantly obvious celeb with potential, I'd still like her to be in a few weeks.

Looking at a list of 'favourites' I made a while back, I can see just how many of her routines feature in it either with Matt Baker, or with Harry....


http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...22&postcount=1
Damahepa
13-07-2012
I know it's a bit of a subjective viewpoint, but I can't stand Aliona's choreography She represents all that is wrong with the direction the show is taking from Dance show to Entertainment show. Artem's better because he will be incredible clever and innovative but still keep within the rules and genre, unlike Aliona, hence hoping her gone quickly. I reckon if Richard Madeley does it again he should be put with Aliona again, because I can't see him lasting, particularly in the latin.
TheAuburnEnigma
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“I know it's a bit of a subjective viewpoint, but I can't stand Aliona's choreography She represents all that is wrong with the direction the show is taking from Dance show to Entertainment show. Artem's better because he will be incredible clever and innovative but still keep within the rules and genre, unlike Aliona, hence hoping her gone quickly. I reckon if Richard Madeley does it again he should be put with Aliona again, because I can't see him lasting, particularly in the latin.”

The thing with that is though - she's got much better since her early days.

I find it interesting how Artem and Aliona can produce similar "risky" choreography, and yet one is vilified on here and the other is praised.

Artem's broken the rules and genre as well - both of his American Smooths were not "traditional" (out of hold too long in one, and just not a proper routine for the other), and that Charleston with Holly was just ... words fail me.

Aliona got in trouble in her first series for an illegal lift with Rav (it was similar to the "assisted jump" that Natalie did with Audley in one of their Ballroom routines last year), and I do admit that she was incredibly prop-heavy and gimmicky when she was with Matt (although you could say Artem was a bit gimmicky with Kara - it's like her signature move was a cartwheel as she did one in about 3 routines and at least one of them was a Ballroom routine), but she really toned it down last series, and imo produced some stunning routines (Quickstep, Viennese Waltz, Charleston to name but a few).

I'm not a big fan of either of them, but I would say people should give the girl a break and see how she does this series. She might just surprise us all and continue the upward trend that she was on last series
footygirl
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by TheAuburnEnigma:
“The thing with that is though - she's got much better since her early days.

I find it interesting how Artem and Aliona can produce similar "risky" choreography, and yet one is vilified on here and the other is praised.

Artem's broken the rules and genre as well - both of his American Smooths were not "traditional" (out of hold too long in one, and just not a proper routine for the other), and that Charleston with Holly was just ... words fail me.

Aliona got in trouble in her first series for an illegal lift with Rav (it was similar to the "assisted jump" that Natalie did with Audley in one of their Ballroom routines last year), and I do admit that she was incredibly prop-heavy and gimmicky when she was with Matt (although you could say Artem was a bit gimmicky with Kara - it's like her signature move was a cartwheel as she did one in about 3 routines and at least one of them was a Ballroom routine), but she really toned it down last series, and imo produced some stunning routines (Quickstep, Viennese Waltz, Charleston to name but a few).

I'm not a big fan of either of them, but I would say people should give the girl a break and see how she does this series. She might just surprise us all and continue the upward trend that she was on last series ”

But don't you agree Aliona needs to be tested by giving her a celeb who is not endowed with the natural talent Matt and Harry had
fatskia
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“I know it's a bit of a subjective viewpoint, but I can't stand Aliona's choreography She represents all that is wrong with the direction the show is taking from Dance show to Entertainment show. Artem's better because he will be incredible clever and innovative but still keep within the rules and genre, unlike Aliona, hence hoping her gone quickly. I reckon if Richard Madeley does it again he should be put with Aliona again, because I can't see him lasting, particularly in the latin.”

When I compare Aliona's choreography with others, I dont get that result.

eg last year - Pasha's, Kristina's, and Aliona's American Smooths all had a similar length of in hold time.
All of the pros used a lot of props during series 8.
Aliona had a lot of dance content in series 8 in all the dances except the Jive.

Series 9 only props used in 2 themed weeks and the Showdance. All dances start to finish content (10 off) except the ones in weeks 2 to 5 and the Showdance.
Damahepa
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by TheAuburnEnigma:
“The thing with that is though - she's got much better since her early days.

I find it interesting how Artem and Aliona can produce similar "risky" choreography, and yet one is vilified on here and the other is praised.

Artem's broken the rules and genre as well - both of his American Smooths were not "traditional" (out of hold too long in one, and just not a proper routine for the other), and that Charleston with Holly was just ... words fail me.

Aliona got in trouble in her first series for an illegal lift with Rav (it was similar to the "assisted jump" that Natalie did with Audley in one of their Ballroom routines last year), and I do admit that she was incredibly prop-heavy and gimmicky when she was with Matt (although you could say Artem was a bit gimmicky with Kara - it's like her signature move was a cartwheel as she did one in about 3 routines and at least one of them was a Ballroom routine), but she really toned it down last series, and imo produced some stunning routines (Quickstep, Viennese Waltz, Charleston to name but a few).

I'm not a big fan of either of them, but I would say people should give the girl a break and see how she does this series. She might just surprise us all and continue the upward trend that she was on last series ”

I agree about Artem's AS with Kara, but the one with Holly was in hold, proper routine, but with a theme and that meant a bit of a compromise. And the Charleston with Holly did have a lot of the right steps, just in a different lay out.

My main beef with Aliona is her ballroom. Hardly ANY of it is in hold, with Harry even, both Waltzes, the American Smooth AND the Ballroom Tango were all out of hold or broke hold far too often! That's not improving, although admittedly using fewer gimmicks.
olivej
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“I know it's a bit of a subjective viewpoint, but I can't stand Aliona's choreography She represents all that is wrong with the direction the show is taking from Dance show to Entertainment show. Artem's better because he will be incredible clever and innovative but still keep within the rules and genre, unlike Aliona, hence hoping her gone quickly. I reckon if Richard Madeley does it again he should be put with Aliona again, because I can't see him lasting, particularly in the latin.”

yes, its a subjective viewpoint, I personally disliked Artems "Swan Lake" style American Smooth that so many people loved

In series 9, Aliona used alot less props than many of the other pros (Jive, tango and showdance I believe she used them in) and produced some incredible dances eg quickstep, charleston, VW, (qs and vw were in hold for 99% of the entire routine)
Damahepa
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“When I compare Aliona's choreography with others, I dont get that result.

eg last year - Pasha's, Kristina's, and Aliona's American Smooths all had a similar length of in hold time.
All of the pros used a lot of props during series 8.
Aliona had a lot of dance content in series 8 in all the dances except the Jive.

Series 9 only props used in 2 themed weeks and the Showdance. All dances start to finish content (10 off) except the ones in weeks 2 to 5 and the Showdance.”

I don't have an issue with the props as such, just the content! And I agree that other pros do break the rules, Brendan an example being famed for it, but Aliona does it persistently, whereas the others dabble. I thought Harry's AS in the final was chronically overscored due to the amount of time out of hold considering Len's hatred of deviation, and their freestyle had literally no content just standing inbetween lifts! And that's just one show!

I'm sorry, maybe she'll flourish with someone less talented. I thought Natalie's choreography was ok, not great with Ricky and Scott, but utterly brilliant with Audley, and she's become one of my favourite pros based solely on last year. Maybe Aliona will be the same, one would hope.
Damahepa
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by olivej:
“yes, its a subjective viewpoint, I personally disliked Artems "Swan Lake" style American Smooth that so many people loved

In series 9, Aliona used alot less props than many of the other pros (Jive, tango and showdance I believe she used them in) and produced some incredible dances eg quickstep, charleston, VW, (qs and vw were in hold for 99% of the entire routine)”

You see that's what annoys me with Aliona. I absolutely adored the Charleston and the Quickstep! The Tango I enjoyed in spite of myself knowing it was totally out of hold, but then I sided with Len about breaking hold 2/3 of the way through and never getting back in (not really 99%). I know she can do stuff I love, but she doesn't do it enough!

And, for the record, although I did enjoy Swan Lake AS, I didn't necessarily prefer it to a traditional AS done well, even though it was within the rules.
olivej
13-07-2012
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“You see that's what annoys me with Aliona. I absolutely adored the Charleston and the Quickstep! The Tango I enjoyed in spite of myself knowing it was totally out of hold, but then I sided with Len about breaking hold 2/3 of the way through and never getting back in (not really 99%). I know she can do stuff I love, but she doesn't do it enough!

And, for the record, although I did enjoy Swan Lake AS, I didn't necessarily prefer it to a traditional AS done well, even though it was within the rules.”

I agree with you about the tango, there def wasnt enough in hold and even Aliona admitted on ITT that she got carried away with the Halloween theme and should have done more in hold
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