[OnDatKryptonite]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

i would say everybody in my 12 years class play cod, assassins creed, uncharted etc ...

iphones, ipods, blackberrys etc....

times have changed.

anything that rockstar do though is a no no from me..

Yeah, parents are too compliant and not strict enough when it comes in making kids realise the value of money and the concept luxury is earned, not limitless and supplied endlessly. Hence why a kid felt okay spending a grand on gaming and also why his father didn't notice for six months. Lack of responsible management of funds and his kid all round.

[thomas2400]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

i would say everybody in my 12 years class play cod, assassins creed, uncharted etc ...

iphones, ipods, blackberrys etc....

times have changed.

anything that rockstar do though is a no no from me..

So killing thousands of faceless enemy combatants is ok, but GTA isn't

Going around an open world killing and steal from anyone you want is ok, but GTA isn't

Killed hundreds of enemies in the name of finding treasure that will make you rich is ok, but GTA isn't

Sorry i'm not seeing why Rockstar games are a no no

[computermaster]

Originally Posted by vampirek

Of course you can blame the dad, the fact he never once in 6 months checked his balance is his fault. Not checking with what his son was playing, following that up. Not reading what Microsoft have put in front of him when setting up the card. No parental controls and then making out like he hasn't made a single mistake and put the blame on Microsoft. Going to the newspapers in the hope of making up for his mistakes by trying to blackname the Microsoft product... and backfiring on that too.

Alright i suppose you can blame him for not checking his balance. Some people probably just assume that their cash is safe and don't bother. Even if he was checking up on what his kid was playing, it's still pretty unlikely that he would have known, unless he walked in on his kid at the exact time he was buying the extra stuff (The process of speding points doesn't take very long)

I mean it's not like he's gonna go up to his kid and say "excuse me young man but did you use my card to buy all those new weapons and upgraded football players?" And i suppose the daily fail payed him some money for the interview. If he can recover some of the cash then why not? Microsoft are leeches anyway and even charge money for freaking avatar clothes.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by LiamTheGreat

How could someone spend that much on DLC for two games? COD doesn't have character upgrades and -unless I'm mistaken- no weapons to buy. Plus he shoouldn't been playing COD anyway. Microsoft are many things -not all of them good, but one thing they are not, is your babysitter

This is why games us adults want to play get refused when parents buy adult games for their kids.

[Ladyxxmacbeth]

i thought I would say that MS are rubbish at removing card details from xboxes. I have asked them 2 times to remove payment details from my sons xbox....he uses it for watching sky, bbc etc, not gaming and each time they hve failed to remove it. i got an email thanking me for purchasing neflixs for a free trial which I canceled and the card was still on there for him to buy stuff. its so easy you cant pssword protect just your card details, you have to go the whole shebang unless someone sheds some lilght on this for me.
its the dads fault for not having an email in his name and checking it and also not looking at his statement. however have you ever tried to take a card off xbox, its so hard and like I said they dont always remove it.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by Ladyxxmacbeth

i thought I would say that MS are rubbish at removing card details from xboxes. I have asked them 2 times to remove payment details from my sons xbox....he uses it for watching sky, bbc etc, not gaming and each time they hve failed to remove it. i got an email thanking me for purchasing neflixs for a free trial which I canceled and the card was still on there for him to buy stuff. its so easy you cant pssword protect just your card details, you have to go the whole shebang unless someone sheds some lilght on this for me.
its the dads fault for not having an email in his name and checking it and also not looking at his statement. however have you ever tried to take a card off xbox, its so hard and like I said they dont always remove it.

i use paypal on both machines of mine...i now know where 4200 msp went....

fifa ultimate team...

what a waste

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by thomas2400

So killing thousands of faceless enemy combatants is ok, but GTA isn't

Going around an open world killing and steal from anyone you want is ok, but GTA isn't

Killed hundreds of enemies in the name of finding treasure that will make you rich is ok, but GTA isn't

Sorry i'm not seeing why Rockstar games are a no no

its simple..

i would class uncharted and assassins creed as slightly historical....

and the lack of drugs and prostitutes is a bonus

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by 2Dshmuplover

The dad is the biggest idiot out if he believes his son. It quite clearly states you are using your credit card and you have to verify that before a purchase. To point the finger at MS when he tied his own CC to an account and let his 12 year old kid loose on it he only has himself to blame.

I agree. You cant just buy stuff and get charged. You have to buy the points first by choosing the amount you want and then confirming it.

If you ask me the kid knew what he was doing and didnt care and then when the bill came in he tried the nothing came up BS.

Personally MS should block the console for letting a kid play a 18 rated game seeing as he broke the rules.

[Hotbird]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

its simple..

i would class uncharted and assassins creed as slightly historical....

and the lack of drugs and prostitutes is a bonus

In Assassins Creed prostitutes are called Courtesans and you even had mission to pick up from brothels. You could hire prostitutes to use as a distraction as well.

[manforktorch]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

its simple..

i would class uncharted and assassins creed as slightly historical....

and the lack of drugs and prostitutes is a bonus

Slightly historical?!

What utter nonsense. Why is it more acceptable to have violence if you bastardise history for your story line?

The DaVinci Code is "slightly historical" but doesn't compare with the Godfather or Goodfellas in terms of literary or cinematic merit.

I can understand how the kid in the OP would end up doing this, no sense of consequence to clicking and spending money. But the fault isn't with Xbox Live it's the parents responsibility to know what their children are doing and what they are playing. Unfortunately the way they are dealing with it is just furthering his lack of responsibility.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by manforktorch

Slightly historical?!

What utter nonsense. Why is it more acceptable to have violence if you bastardise history for your story line?

The DaVinci Code is "slightly historical" but doesn't compare with the Godfather or Goodfellas in terms of literary or cinematic merit.

I can understand how the kid in the OP would end up doing this, no sense of consequence to clicking and spending money. But the fault isn't with Xbox Live it's the parents responsibility to know what their children are doing and what they are playing. Unfortunately the way they are dealing with it is just furthering his lack of responsibility.

im sure every kid with a 360 is playing my horse and me and michael jackson, the experience..

anyway

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by Hotbird

In Assassins Creed prostitutes are called Courtesans and you even had mission to pick up from brothels. You could hire prostitutes to use as a distraction as well.

not quite the same as the ones in Liberty City, but thanks for pointing that out

[thomas2400]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

its simple..

i would class uncharted and assassins creed as slightly historical....

and the lack of drugs and prostitutes is a bonus

Just an opinion but its probably worse for a child if you say different types of the same violence are okay depending on the setting

[manforktorch]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

not quite the same as the ones in Liberty City, but thanks for pointing that out

ahh yeah they are those historical prostitutes, that's fine.

[manforktorch]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

im sure every kid with a 360 is playing my horse and me and michael jackson, the experience..

anyway

point is the violence isn't any different to GTA

[Danger Close]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

its simple..

i would class uncharted and assassins creed as slightly historical....

and the lack of drugs and prostitutes is a bonus

So random violence, assassinations, murder are fine with you. It's drugs and whoring where you draw your moral line?


Anyway, on subject.

The kid has clearly taken advantage of his dad and should get a crack 'round the head. Kids know how to use these machines properly and you are clearly asked how you are going to pay before any purchase is confirmed.
The bloke's wife should then give him a kick in the balls for being an idiot and letting their son have free reign with his credit card.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by Danger Close

So random violence, assassinations, murder are fine with you. It's drugs and whoring where you draw your moral line?


Anyway, on subject.

The kid has clearly taken advantage of his dad and should get a crack 'round the head. Kids know how to use these machines properly and you are clearly asked how you are going to pay before any purchase is confirmed.
The bloke's wife should then give him a kick in the balls for being an idiot and letting their son have free reign with his credit card.

my lads happy with minecraft and need for speed, the run..

chats with his mates for hours, fifa as well..

and yes, i do draw my moral line at drugs and whoring because its things a child should not see....

nazi zombies though, well they are not real are they?

[Danger Close]

[quote=gdjman68wasdigi;59686144]my lads happy with minecraft and need for speed, the run..

chats with his mates for hours, fifa as well..

and yes, i do draw my moral line at drugs and whoring because its things a child should not see....

nazi zombies though, well they are not real are they?[/QUOTE]


Nor are computer games.


Whether they're Nazi zombies or recreations of regular people, violence is violence. Would you let your kid go and see the next _____ of the Dead film?

[gdjman68wasdigi]

[quote=Danger Close;59686746]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

my lads happy with minecraft and need for speed, the run..

chats with his mates for hours, fifa as well..

and yes, i do draw my moral line at drugs and whoring because its things a child should not see....

nazi zombies though, well they are not real are they?[/QUOTE]


Nor are computer games.



Whether they're Nazi zombies or recreations of regular people, violence is violence. Would you let your kid go and see the next _____ of the Dead film?

no and he wouldnt want to go..

ice age and dark knight rises for us this week...

dont tell me how to be a parent, you are probably only 10 yourself

[Schmiznurf]

Violence in videogames is the same regardless of the setting. To say you let your kid play nazi zombies but a movie is out of the question is ridiculous. In one you see the violence happening, in the other you are the one committing the violence. The latter is clearly worse because, if anything, it shows that you can be violent without consequence.

Congratulations on being a complete hypocrite.

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by Schmiznurf

Violence in videogames is the same regardless of the setting. To say you let your kid play nazi zombies but a movie is out of the question is ridiculous. In one you see the violence happening, in the other you are the one committing the violence. The latter is clearly worse because, if anything, it shows that you can be violent without consequence.

Congratulations on being a complete hypocrite.

thats great, dont forget to get your Daily Mail on the way out

to say a child of 12 has to play lego star wars is ridiculous,

most children (12 year old), teenagers play COD, Battlefield or Uncharted or have done...

my younger son who is 8 plays Lego whatever and kinect animals

all i said was i drew the line at Rockstar...

for obvious reasons..

jeez

[thomas2400]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

my lads happy with minecraft and need for speed, the run..

chats with his mates for hours, fifa as well..

and yes, i do draw my moral line at drugs and whoring because its things a child should not see....

nazi zombies though, well they are not real are they?

I bet your one of the parents where it's ok to commit violence in games such as murdering, robbing, random destruction etc

But when it comes to even the slightest sexual content such as hockers that's a big no-no

Now i'm not sure of the ages of your children this i'm not sure how this question will come across but here it goes...

Do really want your kids to grow up loving violence but hating/not being aware of sex/sexual content? because as weird as it my sound now i know what i'd rather my kids thought was ok when they reached 18

[gdjman68wasdigi]

Originally Posted by thomas2400

I bet your one of the parents where it's ok to commit violence in games such as murdering, robbing, random destruction etc

But when it comes to even the slightest sexual content such as hockers that's a big no-no

Now i'm not sure of the ages of your children this i'm not sure how this question will come across but here it goes...

Do really want your kids to grow up loving violence but hating/not being aware of sex/sexual content? because as weird as it my sound now i know what i'd rather my kids thought was ok when they reached 18

ok, well here goes back

first of all my kids DO NOT love violence

one is twelve, hes footy mad, plays fifa and likes cod (like any other child..) (pre kevin patterson)

my other is 8, he plays in the field, climbs trees and plays lego indy, kinect joy ride and his favourite toy is a woody with no head which he gets more fun out of than any games console

sex in games is a no no, so no LA noire, nothing like that for the oldest.

so jog on


edit

my lads just loading up Minecraft, better not do that creeper with the pickaxe..just in case

[Danger Close]

[quote=gdjman68wasdigi;59687110]

Originally Posted by Danger Close

no and he wouldnt want to go..

ice age and dark knight rises for us this week...

dont tell me how to be a parent, you are probably only 10 yourself

33 actually and I wasn't telling you how to be a parent, I asked a question which you got very defensive over.


My point was that zombies are zombies no matter the medium they come from.

As to Rockstar, their games have 15/18 certs for a reason. They are violent, just like CoD. The fact that some of them contain very little sexualised content wouldn't up the games rating.
Have you played GTA or are you the one with a copy of the Mail tucked under their arm?

[gdjman68wasdigi]

[quote=Danger Close;59688211]

Originally Posted by gdjman68wasdigi

33 actually and I wasn't telling you how to be a parent, I asked a question which you got very defensive over.


My point was that zombies are zombies no matter the medium they come from.

As to Rockstar, their games have 15/18 certs for a reason. They are violent, just like CoD. The fact that some of them contain very little sexualised content wouldn't up the games rating.
Have you played GTA or are you the one with a copy of the Mail tucked under their arm?

i have, and they are good games,

my lad wont be playing it though..

and no, i dont read the mail, i was gaming when you were in pampers..

on my atari vcs..combat,

edit

i also sent u a fr on xbl as we were discussing inversion

dont worry, you dont have to accept it in case "im playing a violent game"


time to put the kids tea on now