[multisync]

Originally Posted by celesti

Except the thread isn't 'Has anyone heard of the term 'choc ice' before?' and also isn't filled with people confirming their familiarity with the term, so to ask the question rather than sift through 18 awful, awful pages is fine, and not deserving of you throwing the rolleyes around.

So 18 pages is too much for anyone to read..

Oh and there isn't anything awful about the thread either

[Elyan]

Coconut, bounty bar, choc ice...

Rio Ferdinand knows exactly what they mean. He's insulting our intelligence with the nonsense excuses he's made.

[celesti]

Originally Posted by multisync

So 18 pages is too much for anyone to read..

Oh and there isn't anything awful about the thread either

Apart from people piggybacking on racism to score internet points based on which club they support and people going in endless circles labouring the same points?

I'm starting to question whether you've read it.

And yes, 18 pages is too much to read to check if someone's already answered your innocuous question for fear of it being moaned at and having the stupid thrown around.

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

so the answer to my question is "no", as I suspected. thanks for playing.

just to be clear, I don't condone racism of any form. this isn't racism.

Was the coconut case racism?

If this is perceived to be racism by some people, and many have explained their reasons, then it is.

You disagree, thats all.

[Pee]

Originally Posted by Deep Purple

Was the coconut case racism?

If this is perceived to be racism by some people, and many have explained their reasons, then it is.

You disagree, thats all.

I thought you weren't going to discuss this with me any further?

I'm not familiar with "the coconut case", so I can't answer that. it's irrelevant though, because I've already said a million times that these terms can be misappropriated as racist insults

if I find your constant badgering racist, and I state my reasons, does it make it racist? it's a rather silly thing to claim

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

I thought you weren't going to discuss this with me any further?

I'm not familiar with "the coconut case", so I can't answer that. it's irrelevant though, because I've already said a million times that these terms can be misappropriated as racist insults

if I find your constant badgering racist, and I state my reasons, does it make it racist? it's a rather silly thing to claim

It was linked a page or so back, and is quite relevant in terms of this conversation.

If you consider being questioned about your very strong views to be badgering, I would question why you participate on a forum.

You are aggressive towards those you disagree with, but dont seem to see this.

[Pee]

you've not answered the question. why's that then?

you claim anything to be perceived as racist automatically becomes racist, and you're clinging grimly to this McPherson defence, yet it relates to the reporting and investigation of such offences. the accusations themselves don't just become true because they're perceived to be. I'm pretty sure you know this too, but you're pretending not to be able to see the difference. I wonder why that is?

there's nothing even remotely aggressive about my responses

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

you've not answered the question. why's that then?

you claim anything to be perceived as racist automatically becomes racist, and you're clinging grimly to this McPherson defence, yet it relates to the reporting and investigation of such offences. the accusations themselves don't just become true because they're perceived to be. I'm pretty sure you know this too, but you're pretending not to be able to see the difference. I wonder why that is?

there's nothing even remotely aggressive about my responses

I'm not the only one that suggests you are aggressive.

You've seen the McPherson definition. If you were to claim I'm "badgering" you because you're black, someone would record that, and investigate me. That is how wide it is.

Acting on such a report is a different matter. There still has to be evidence of an offence first. This was where the Terry case fell down. They couldn't prove the offence, so the racist language cant be used alone.

[Pee]

so do we agree it would be a "racist incident" ie an investigation into an allegation of racism, and not necessarily that you are being racist?

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Pee

so do we agree it would be a "racist incident" ie an investigation into an allegation of racism, and not necessarily that you are being racist?

It would be if you perceive it to be. I would deny it was, and someone in a position of authority would have to decide.

I have said all along that a racist incident does not mean a person is a racist, even if found guilty.

I think we are actually saying the same thing here, but coming from different directions, and that may be because it is a proven fact that we are incapable of agreeing about anything.

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by celesti

Apart from people piggybacking on racism to score internet points based on which club they support and people going in endless circles labouring the same points?

I'm starting to question whether you've read it.

And yes, 18 pages is too much to read to check if someone's already answered your innocuous question for fear of it being moaned at and having the stupid thrown around.

I wouldn't bother answering him. He is just someone with no manners.

[Anika Hanson]

This week I asked several of my black friends if the term was racist. They all said it wasn't. I'd like to hear what black forum members feel about this. I think Pee has explained the meaning and context of the term very well.

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by Anika Hanson

This week I asked several of my black friends if the term was racist. They all said it wasn't. I'd like to hear what black forum members feel about this. I think Pee has explained the meaning and context of the term very well.

As is it seems to be a term used by black people you could say, "they would say that wouldn't they".

[TRIPS]

When i was boy i heard a lot of racial expressions from older people, there was one in particular people aimed at other whites, an insult for not doing the decent thing. I wont be dramatic and say i was offended or upset but i always thought it sounded unfair.
I doubt if the people who used this sort of language gave it a second thought, not even connecting what they said to racism.
as far as they were concerned, they were just making a point, i imagine anyone objecting to this language ( this never happened) would have been given a hard time, nit picking and just looking for an argument would have been the nicest response.
today people are more educated and see things more differently so there are far less excuses,,
Maybe some believe the same argument that would be of been used all those years ago.when i was a boy ,.expression .slang. maybe it's the same familiarity i don't know but i also believe like a lot of the racists years ago there are some who know exactly what the term means and it has not been diluted by familiarity.

[the chimp]

Originally Posted by Anika Hanson

This week I asked several of my black friends if the term was racist. They all said it wasn't. I'd like to hear what black forum members feel about this. I think Pee has explained the meaning and context of the term very well.

Sure you did.



This week I asked several of my black friends if the term was racist. They all said it was.


See I can do that too

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by the chimp

Sure you did.



This week I asked several of my black friends if the term was racist. They all said it was.


See I can do that too

I don't have any black friends to ask. Am I racist?

[the chimp]

Originally Posted by celesti

not deserving of you throwing the rolleyes around.

The sooner that "roll eyes" smilie is got rid of, the better.

[the chimp]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

I don't have any black friends to ask. Am I racist?

Yes, please go and hand yourself in at the closest police station.

[celesti]

Originally Posted by the chimp

The sooner that "roll eyes" smilie is got rid of, the better.

Second that.

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by celesti

Second that.

The wink thing is equally as bad on the football forum.

[celesti]

I'd ditch all smilies if I was/when I am prime minister. If you can't convey it with words, you're not doing it with shitty pacmen.

[the chimp]

Originally Posted by Cantona07

The wink thing is equally as bad on the football forum.

it is isn't it

[the chimp]

Originally Posted by the chimp

it is isn't it

I don't know why but I've just pissed myself at that when Ive re-read it

[Cantona07]

Originally Posted by the chimp

I don't know why but I've just pissed myself at that when Ive re-read it

See that smiley is supposed to be embarrassed but ironically it looks like someone who has just pissed themselves (id imagine).

[celesti]

This one is meant to denote boredom, but it should really be called :vinegarstroke:

I hope I've ruined that one for some people.