[homer2012]

Originally Posted by steven1977

That PPV was a odd one. Why Bret had to be beaten at the end just to further the feud for Summerslam yet no other King of the Ring winner got this treatment.

They could of made the show better say Steiner's winning the tag belts instead of a 8 man tag no one cared for.

Bret was beaten because hogan was leaving.

Bret was the big time face from end of 92-WM9 then hogan returned and was the instant face of the company.

Hogan then decided i'm off and bret needed to be put back as the top face after been ripped off due to hogan.

Best way to make a face is to be attacked when your on top and winning the 1st(on tv) King of the ring was a big deal. Plus it made Jerry a bigger heel because of it.

Well thats my view on it, i'm sure someone set the record straight thanks to wikipedia.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by homer2012

Bret was beaten because hogan was leaving.

Bret was the big time face from end of 92-WM9 then hogan returned and was the instant face of the company.

Hogan then decided i'm off and bret needed to be put back as the top face after been ripped off due to hogan.

Best way to make a face is to be attacked when your on top and winning the 1st(on tv) King of the ring was a big deal. Plus it made Jerry a bigger heel because of it.

Well thats my view on it, i'm sure someone set the record straight thanks to wikipedia.

The feud wasent that great when it came to Summerslam. I remember being really disapointed how Bret basically got his win taken away and making King the undisputed king. They would of been best to just book Bret to face Yoko for the belt then.

[Georged123]

Originally Posted by vampirek

A guy in his position? In wrestling terms he is finished, he'll come back for the big matches that make sense to happen. Why have HHH come back for one match to feud with Miz over what? There has to be a booking reason, Punk made sense as he was anti-authority, Nash made sense as he kept meddling in business and Lesnar makes sense as he held the company to ransom.
HHH is actually doing something and just because you can't see it on tv doesn't mean he isn't pushing these guys. Since taking over properly he got rid of Ace from actual power in the company to allow talent to come through instead of people like Nathan Jones being hired. Whilst it helps on tv, it is much more a backstage thing. Ziggler can't succeed if there isn't much for him to feud with. Yes there is Cena, but then what? Cena can't remain the top guy forever, everyone has their time limit. This is a much biggest thing to do for the future of the company for the next 5-10 years than getting in the ring for one off matches with those named.

The likes of Ziggler, Barrett and Miz do not need to have a big PPV match with HHH, what they need is the right booking, logically feuds and other talent around them to make them relevant. If WWE isn't signing talent that is good and will stay with the company for years, then it is harder to do.

Also what people forget is that HHH's gimmick during his heels days was all about power and keeping the title. It wouldn't really work if he kept dropping the belt to the biggest flavor of the month every month. Booking wise it made more sense to keep the title on HHH rather than give it to the likes of Booker and RVD.

HHH is still a huge name in the business and massively over with most fans. Having a guy like Miz pin him clean on a PPV is goign to make him look like a top talent. The simple bookign reason for Miz would be the fact he's been overlooked and disrepected for months and HHH is running the company its a ready made feud that's been cooking for a long. long time. For for the others its upto creative to create a booking reason, its really not hard to do. Not that I ever see it happening as HHH still pinned Punk last year when he was the hottest thing in the business for years.

Backstage I dont know, I dont think anyone really knows what goes on. I can just judge from what I see on TV and so far its still mainly the same guys, established guys in the top spots.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by Georged123

HHH is still a huge name in the business and massively over with most fans. Having a guy like Miz pin him clean on a PPV is goign to make him look like a top talent. The simple bookign reason for Miz would be the fact he's been overlooked and disrepected for months and HHH is running the company its a ready made feud that's been cooking for a long. long time. For for the others its upto creative to create a booking reason, its really not hard to do. Not that I ever see it happening as HHH still pinned Punk last year when he was the hottest thing in the business for years.

Backstage I dont know, I dont think anyone really knows what goes on. I can just judge from what I see on TV and so far its still mainly the same guys, established guys in the top spots.

Miz doesnt have the talent to be a main eventer! His title run last year was just dire and awful.

[KieranDS]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Miz doesnt have the talent to be a main eventer! His title run last year was just dire and awful.

That's because he was booked very badly. I think he has potential.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by KieranDS

That's because he was booked very badly. I think he has potential.

Booked badly? Do you mean how his first title defense he needed help to beat an announcer and his first PPV he had to have outside help to win?

The main problem for me is that we need more wrestlers who can do different styles of wrestling like when you had all these little local groups across different states.

[KieranDS]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Booked badly? Do you mean how his first title defense he needed help to beat an announcer and his first PPV he had to have outside help to win?

The main problem for me is that we need more wrestlers who can do different styles of wrestling like when you had all these little local groups across different states.

Yes. Putting him in an irrelevant feud with Jerry Lawler, getting mixed up in that awful Cole/Lawler feud, barely any clean wins and at Over The Limit 2011 when he beat Cena up for a good 20 minutes and then he lost after Cena used about four moves. They made him a joke champion when he had huge momentum and potential.

The lack of follow up he had after losing the title also significantly hurt him almost to the point of him being irrelevant.

[KieranDS]

Wade Barrett is working a more stiff in-ring style to fit in with his new gimmick.

He has a new look as well with the facial hair http://i.imgur.com/8HALZ.jpg

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by KieranDS

Yes. Putting him in an irrelevant feud with Jerry Lawler, getting mixed up in that awful Cole/Lawler feud, barely any clean wins and at Over The Limit 2011 when he beat Cena up for a good 20 minutes and then he lost after Cena used about four moves. They made him a joke champion when he had huge momentum and potential.

The lack of follow up he had after losing the title also significantly hurt him almost to the point of him being irrelevant.

Yeah I see what you mean there.

Ok to win the title cashing in the briefcase hardly a way to win a title fairly.

First title defense vs a retired wrestler turned commentator in a ladder match and lawler kicked his ass throughout the match before he needed help to win.

Royal Rumble didnt the whole of Nexus have to come down to save him from losing the belt?

Elimination Chamber a rematch against a commentator and I think Cole had to interfere to keep the belt on him.

Wrestlemania only kept the belt because Rock interfered and Rock Bottomed Cena and he made a poor cover.

Next PPV lost the belt and then got pushed so far down the ladder by losing to Bryan, Riley and a few others before entering that silly your fired angle with Punk/Truth/HHH.

Terrible run.

Come to think of it why have the IWC turned on Orton & Del Rio. They gave them such unfairly praise and you would think being a decendant of the legendary Mil Mascaras he would of been huge.

While on the subject a few years ago they were singing the praise of Ken Kennedy when he came in saying he should be World Champion, then was supposed to be Hornswoggles father as a way to push himself to the top with that McMahon son angle which never happenned and he then went downhill.

What happenned?

[jamespondo]

They seemed to be renewing Miz's push, with the commentators really putting him over and beating Christian clean quite quickly to win the IC title. Then they jobbed him to Kane in 3 minutes.

Maybe it's evidence how all over the place McMahon is thesedays. Cody Rhodes has spent 2012 on a downward spiral too; even Carlito (on Twitter) wondered who Jack Swagger has pissed off.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

They seemed to be renewing Miz's push, with the commentators really putting him over and beating Christian clean quite quickly to win the IC title. Then they jobbed him to Kane in 3 minutes.

Maybe it's evidence how all over the place McMahon is thesedays. Cody Rhodes has spent 2012 on a downward spiral too; even Carlito (on Twitter) wondered who Jack Swagger has pissed off.

Didnt Cody Rhodes fail a drug test recently?

[KieranDS]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Didnt Cody Rhodes fail a drug test recently?

There was a report that he failed a test but was able to provide a valid prescription from a doctor so it didn't count. If he failed he would have been suspended for 30 days.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by KieranDS

There was a report that he failed a test but was able to provide a valid prescription from a doctor so it didn't count. If he failed he would have been suspended for 30 days.

Yeah I read that too even though the drug was a banned substance.

Mind you im suprised WWE still hasen't brought Brett Dibiase to the main roster yet.

[Steveaustin316]

I wonder if WWE will decide to have the Raw 20th anniversary show at Madison Square Garden? (which I presume will be held on January 14th). It's been nearly 3 years since the last MSG Raw (November 16th 2009), so another one is overdue.

It would be nice to go back to the original Manhattan Centre venue, but I presume WWE would want a larger crowd.

Having said that, according to WWE's definition of anniversary, next January will be the 21st anniversary of Raw.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by Steveaustin316

I wonder if WWE will decide to have the Raw 20th anniversary show at Madison Square Garden? (which I presume will be held on January 14th). It's been nearly 3 years since the last MSG Raw (November 16th 2009), so another one is overdue.

Having said that, according to WWE's definition of anniversary, next January will be the 21st anniversary of Raw.

This is something I never understood about WWE. When they did Wrestlemania 10 they claimed it was the 10th anniversary of Mania.

How exactly did they come to that conclusion? 12 months has to pass for it to be a anniversary so mania 11 would of been the 10th anniversary.

[Steveaustin316]

Originally Posted by steven1977

This is something I never understood about WWE. When they did Wrestlemania 10 they claimed it was the 10th anniversary of Mania.

How exactly did they come to that conclusion? 12 months has to pass for it to be a anniversary so mania 11 would of been the 10th anniversary.

I rememeber the "Ten years in the making" promos for that event.

I would prefer if they just said 25th annual Summerslam instead of the 25th anniversary of Summerslam (same for the other events)

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by Steveaustin316

I rememeber the "Ten years in the making" promos for that event.

I was watching Wrestlemania 20 this morning and on the recap at the end you see Vince walking as the announcer says one man had a vision.

Actually I thought it was two. Hogan & Vince.

[COTTONHEAT]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

They seemed to be renewing Miz's push, with the commentators really putting him over and beating Christian clean quite quickly to win the IC title. Then they jobbed him to Kane in 3 minutes.

I Have a lot of respect for the Miz for the way he has conducted himself away from the ring as much as he was getting buried after Maryse left he stood by her & Still does which a lot of others wouldn't

I wouldn't be surprise to see Miz vs HHH in the future after reading what happened off camera on Smackdown where HHH come out while Miz was complaining in the Ring & Gave him the Pedigree

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by COTTONHEAT

I Have a lot of respect for the Miz for the way he has conducted himself away from the ring as much as he was getting buried after Maryse left he stood by her & Still does which a lot of others wouldn't

I wouldn't be surprise to see Miz vs HHH in the future after reading what happened off camera on Smackdown where HHH come out while Miz was complaining in the Ring & Gave him the Pedigree

Personally I didnt have a problem seeing him get jobbed out to Kane. Reminds me of when he was the champion and I would get angry I would just put on that Smackdown match from 2006 when Taker just wiped the hell out of him with JBL cheering Taker on.

The off air camera stuff sounds interesting. Triple H did that a few weeks ago to Swagger didnt he?

[Gwm101]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

They seemed to be renewing Miz's push, with the commentators really putting him over and beating Christian clean quite quickly to win the IC title. Then they jobbed him to Kane in 3 minutes.

Maybe it's evidence how all over the place McMahon is thesedays. Cody Rhodes has spent 2012 on a downward spiral too; even Carlito (on Twitter) wondered who Jack Swagger has pissed off.

In the WWE it's a bit of a curse to be given a mid-card title because the holders pretty much always job in non title matches.

[COTTONHEAT]

Originally Posted by steven1977

The off air camera stuff sounds interesting. Triple H did that a few weeks ago to Swagger didnt he?

his done it to the Miz twice & once to Swagger

[Biffo the Bear]

After this week's Raw and Smackdown, are we supposed to now dislike AJ? I find her incredibly irritating as GM.

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by COTTONHEAT

his done it to the Miz twice & once to Swagger

Swagger seems to of been on a losing streak lately. I dont recall him doing anything interesting since Summer last year.

[SteelEdge]

Originally Posted by steven1977

Personally I didnt have a problem seeing him get jobbed out to Kane. Reminds me of when he was the champion and I would get angry I would just put on that Smackdown match from 2006 when Taker just wiped the hell out of him with JBL cheering Taker on.

The off air camera stuff sounds interesting. Triple H did that a few weeks ago to Swagger didnt he?

I've always wondered what the story was there. Why did JBL hate Miz so much? He used to absolutely bury him on commentary. What was their beef?

[steven1977]

Originally Posted by SteelEdge

I've always wondered what the story was there. Why did JBL hate Miz so much? He used to absolutely bury him on commentary. What was their beef?

You mean when he would say " Go back to your reality world you jacka**!". Yeah I dunno why he just didnt like him at all maybe he didnt like a reality star getting a push and not going through the proper training way.