What sort of plans can be put in place, do you think?

Given the size of the travelling support, if anyone had been stopped from entering because of intoxication, there would have been a full-scale riot IMO.

Ah yes, an innocent question where you didn't attempt to assert blame in any way, shape or form.


Why not ask your mate who works the turnstiles why there were only problems in the middle turnstiles?


I've already said that there were drunk Celtic fans there who shouldn't have been at the game.

If that's how you wish to interpret it, so be it..


The problems were on all turnstiles in the Bob Shankly Stand.


That doesn't mean you can't try and deflect blame when it comes to other aspects of some fans' behaviour.

There are always numerous stories after almost every game about fans being stopped by Police on their way to games and booze being confiscated etc.. therefore I'm surprised that the only choice was to allow everyone in last night and then I hear words like Police 'kettling' the fans inside the ground.

One thing is certain, whether it's not 'a minority' or up to 200 people involved depending on which bit of the sun article is read first, it shouldn't happen.

I'd say that's the responsibility of Strathclyde Police (for Glasgow buses, natch); it's not much good doing anything about it at this end.


Again, if local police don't stop the buses leaving, the fans are drunk when they arrive (then go to a pub in Dundee for a few hours). We're then back to square one.


Unless there were some in the concourse, there were no police in the Shankly last night. They stayed pitchside.

I think one thing is for certain - if Celtic (or The Rangers) are away on Boxing Day/NYD next season, the KO won't be any later than 3pm.

Then so be it.


When it came to the crushing issue it isn't.


I've said from the very outset that there were drunken Celtic fans there. The police and stewards never done their jobs properly by not stopping these folk getting to the turnstiles.

It isn't that long since fans were climbing parts of Tannadice to fight with opposition fans. Are the police and stewards in Dundee that inept?

If anything though, I'm more worried at the latest song choice by the Celtic support. Amending a Robbie Williams song and singing it at the football would have got you a well deserved kick in the nuts not so long ago.

I was out for Mad Friday last night, saw a few groups of folk being refused entry into places because they were drunk. Just as well it wasn't Dundee I was in then as I dread to think what chaos would ensue.

I wasn't referring only to crushing, but all incidents (spitting, abuse etc.).


You honestly think that would have ended well, when you had entire busloads who had booked pubs in Dundee almost from opening time?

It's for the same reason the police and stewards change their attitude depending on who we're playing --- teams with smaller supports = easy to manage, troublemakers can be dealt with with little hassle. Teams with bigger supports = more difficult, real terms number of troublemakers increases so easier to just try and contain it.

There's a bit of a difference between half a dozen or so people being refused entry to a pub/club, and several hundred being refused entry to a football ground.

Is there? because good planning would reduce the several hundred into smaller groups so there would be less to deal with at any one time. That's just my opinion.

And yet you've not offered any suggestion of even a rough plan that could achieve this.

It's true what they say about things being easier said than done.

Well for a start you could have a police 'checkpoint' say 30-50 yards up the road monitoring how people are behaving as the walk along the street. They wouldn't all be congregated into a small area and therefore be easier to deal with - might not stop every drunk fan getting in but it would be far better than letting them all in.

30-50 yards is still pretty close. At Dens, you don't even reach Tannadice.

Then when you get further out, there's at least four different approaches. Combined with still needing to police both inside the ground and the immediate area, the resources just don't exist.

Time travel is possible!


They have a job to do and didn't do it properly.

Would it have been that difficult for the police to go round venues where they knew buses were booked in, like the 67 Club and Dundee Social Club, to remind the licensee and staff about their responsibilities? The police could also have walked around the pub reminding fans that if they were drunk then there are committing an offence. Whilst it wouldn't have solved it 100% it would have had an impact.

Likewise would it have been that difficult for the police to be on Tannadice Street to stop fans who were mortalled getting to the turnstiles? I've seen fans who have had too much being stopped en route to other grounds.


Easy answer to that, employ more stewards and have a bigger police presence when bigger supports are there.

Feels like just last night

If Tayside Police can't spare say 10 officers to monitor an area around Dens Park on matchday then they should employ more officers.

Doesn't even need to be Tayside Police, get officers from FoCus.

They have a huge budget that has allowed them to go to Belfast, Swansea, Madrid, Rennes, Newcastle, Udine, Amsterdam, Helsinki, Helsingborg and Auchinleck over the last couple of years.

So Sandaza claiming he was advised not to bless himself when he joined the new club.

Utter disgrace that in this day and age Catholic players at this club are still being told not to bless themselves.

An Ibrox source has denied it. So someone isn't telling the truth.

And I'll bet you wot you like, his first name aint KEVIN?

I've seen this happen once or twice, but for the most part drunk fans still get into the stadium. Police/stewards seem to just rely on removing fans from the stadium during the game rather than stopping them getting in.

It doesn't sound like policing/stewarding was any worse at this game than any other. It's always set up in such a way that you can deal with a few random troublemakers, but not 40+.

Strange how it is a 'source' and not the club itself that has denied it

Why would Sandaza lie? What does he have to gain by doing that?

It doesnt shock me. Old club or new club the values are clearly the same.

Kelvin Wilson offered a 2-match ban for violent conduct.

'Offered'