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Old 16-07-2012, 20:11
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Whether you agree with it or not, Rangers should have gone to CAS or lodged an official complaint to FIFA - not go to the CoS.
It was still deemed illegal - you cannot hand out punishments that aren't in your rule book ... that is the bottom line - if you want to punish someone severely make sure you can hand that punishment out in the first place.


ps quit posting stuff before me ... ya bugger.
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:14
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It was still deemed illegal - you cannot hand out punishments that aren't in your rule book ... that is the bottom line - if you want to punish someone severely make sure you can hand that punishment out in the first place.

ps quit posting stuff before me ... ya bugger.
But had Rangers gone to CAS then the SFA could not enforce any embargo until after CAS had heard the case which would've taken months - the SFA wouldn't be able to apply it as a condition to the membership transfer.
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:25
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It appears the embargo is one of two options - Green has the option of letting the appeal tribunal reconvene and apply a new punishment.
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:35
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If the SFA had gotten their way and put newco in Div 1, would they be bringing all this up now? It seems to me that now that newco are consigned to Div 3, and won't be involved in any tv deal, that the SFA have decided to put the boot in and make an example of them. Perhaps, to dissuade any other SPL club from flirting with the idea that liquidation is the easy way out. Today certainly seems like a change of tone regarding newco compared to before the SFL vote.
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:36
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If a court has ruld that the transfer embargo is illegal how can the SFA insist that Rangers agree to a transfer embargo? Is that not incitement to break the law?
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:37
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If a court has ruld that the transfer embargo is illegal how can the SFA insist that Rangers agree to a transfer embargo? Is that not incitement to break the law?
It was illegal as a punishment. But as a condition of transference of membership, they can pretty much do as they please
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:38
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I think the SFA had probably tried to do Rangers a favour by not suspending them in the first place but instead seen it blow up in their face.
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:43
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It was illegal as a punishment. But as a condition of transference of membership, they can pretty much do as they please
Even if it's illegal? So if I want to get rid of the mother-in-law I make her murder a condition of someone joining my club?
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Old 16-07-2012, 20:51
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Even if it's illegal? So if I want to get rid of the mother-in-law I make her murder a condition of someone joining my club?
It was only illegal because they gave a punishment that was not in the rule book. As a condition of membership they can pretty much say to newco that if they don't want to accept a ban then no membership. That leaves the choice to newco whether to accept it or not.
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Old 16-07-2012, 21:02
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It was only illegal because they gave a punishment that was not in the rule book. As a condition of membership they can pretty much say to newco that if they don't want to accept a ban then no membership. That leaves the choice to newco whether to accept it or not.
If Rangers are forced to accept a transfer embargo will they be able to field a team?
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Old 16-07-2012, 21:10
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If Rangers are forced to accept a transfer embargo will they be able to field a team?
They would still be able to register under 19s. So, a team of kids. If this happens, the likelihood of newco Rangers running away with the Div 3 title are pretty slim.
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Old 16-07-2012, 21:17
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They would still be able to register under 19s. So, a team of kids. If this happens, the likelihood of newco Rangers running away with the Div 3 title are pretty slim.
If the Scottish third division is anything like minor league football in England, it will be inhabited by psychopaths for who the ball plays little part in the game. Some of these young kids could have a very short career.
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Old 16-07-2012, 21:22
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If the Scottish third division is anything like minor league football in England, it will be inhabited by psychopaths for who the ball plays little part in the game. Some of these young kids could have a very short career.
A bit like this forum then ... very little actual football
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Old 16-07-2012, 21:28
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Maybe we should have the official SPL thread?
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:04
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what is the status of this new club?
'cos reading the last four pages, i have no ******* idea what it is!!!!!!

they don't have a name? (THE RANGERS? RANGERS FC NEWCO? WHATEVER THEY'RE BLOODY CALLED????)

they don't have a corporate identity!!!

and that donkey BHOY07 said they aren't even REGISTERED with the SFA still!!!!!

NO HISTORY will or can be transferred, only the morons think this happens!

the old management will be dealt with with all the problems associated ..... and the newco should not have any embargos put upon them ..... unless someone has something else!
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:06
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Jenzie, do you WRITE for THE SUN?
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:12
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Jenzie, do you WRITE for THE SUN?
i only READ it

yeah i said READ it .....

and i'm ranting becaue no one came out with a concrete statement on all this
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:14
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I wonder if Doncaster's reluctance to talk about the TV deal and commercial contracts is because all or most parties have decided that their investments amount to peanuts anyway, so they're as well staying in?
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:14
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what is the status of this new club?
'cos reading the last four pages, i have no ******* idea what it is!!!!!!

they don't have a name? (THE RANGERS? RANGERS FC NEWCO? WHATEVER THEY'RE BLOODY CALLED????)

they don't have a corporate identity!!!

and that donkey BHOY07 said they aren't even REGISTERED with the SFA still!!!!!

NO HISTORY will or can be transferred, only the morons think this happens!

the old management will be dealt with with all the problems associated ..... and the newco should not have any embargos put upon them ..... unless someone has something else!
The history is attached to the membership - without the membership SevCo Scotland have no claim to the history.

BTW how dare you insult donkeys.
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:16
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I wonder if Doncaster's reluctance to talk about the TV deal and commercial contracts is because all or most parties have decided that their investments amount to peanuts anyway, so they're as well staying in?
Or Sky have told Doncaster to keep his trap shut.

Sky will not pull out and leave BT with direct access to the SPL tv rights.

Next summer Sky need the SPL rights otherwise BT will buy them and start attracting Scottish Sky subscribers.
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:20
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they have already been relegated three divisions, fined 160k, half their team have been allowed to move to other clubs free of charge, now they are to either stop playing football altogether or accept a ban on buying players for a year, ohh, and there are hoards of foaming at the mouth opposition hoping to have their previous wins stripped away into their own trophy cabinets.

a tad harsh dont you think?

I think some people need to step back, calm down and look at this calmly and with some sort of objectivity.

Looks like a which hunt to me, nothing more, nothing less.
They deserve all they get. Fact.
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:21
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Even if the transfer embargo was in place Rangers would still comfortably win the Third Division in my opinion. In fact, I think it'd be a waste of money for them to spend any sort of cash on established players this year anyway. It's hard to overstate just how poor the standard is down there.
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:37
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Incidentally, the SFA are within their rights to impose a transfer embargo on NewCo as a condition of transferring Rangers' membership. They're also within their rights to demand that Charles Green dress up as a chicken and Ally McCoist sit in the dugout with a banana balanced on his head. Because...

16. It is not permissible for a member to transfer directly or indirectly its membership
of the Association to another member or to any other entity and any such transfer
or attempt to effect such a transfer is prohibited save as otherwise provided in
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Old 16-07-2012, 22:49
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Incidentally, the SFA are within their rights to impose a transfer embargo on NewCo as a condition of transferring Rangers' membership. They're also within their rights to demand that Charles Green dress up as a chicken and Ally McCoist sit in the dugout with a banana balanced on his head. Because...
so they still aren't a member of the SFA then?

then how can they be able to play in any league under the SFA then???
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Old 16-07-2012, 23:05
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so they still aren't a member of the SFA then?

then how can they be able to play in any league under the SFA then???
As things stand, they can't. Which is why the SFA will be able to blackmail them into doing anything they want. At the moment, newco can't play anywhere. They have a place in the SFL, but that's conditional on getting membership of the SFA.
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