the scottish courts and lord nimmo yesterday have stated that club and company are seperate and its the same club with a new company, nimmo said this

"in common speech a club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated, and which continues in existance despite its transfer to another owner and operator"

added to that the spl, sfa and sfl have all stated our history remains, uefa recognises our history remains

to summarise everyone important states that we are the same club with the same history and club and company are separate entities and no-one apart from a few fuds on messageboards backs your nonsense

Thanks. So I was right then.

Being a Marist Brother doesn't make you a Priest.


I agree with that, what is different however is that Rangers FC (IL) were not bought by Chuckles and his nameless pals.

Rangers (IL) went into liquidation and some of the assets were purchased.

That is a completely different thing.

Could it be that the club, are in fact one of the assets?

History was purchased - says so in the creditors report:

"Newco was obliged to purchase the business, history and certain assets of the Company"

why do all go on about we bought the history
we all know history cannot be bought

charles green and his consortium bought assets from oldco(the COMPANY that ran RFC)
these assets were the football club and everything to do with the footballing side.(stadium/players/ /carpark etc etc
what they didnt buy was the company which is still in process of being liquidated

whats so hard to grasp about that
when he bought the football club.....it kinda came with history....he woulda had no choice in that

Do you think titles therefore can't be stripped because Green owns them now?

or should Nimmo Smith and the other panel members be allowed to get to the bottom of what went on and if required hand out punishments as they see fit.

i dont really see why stripping of titles would be required
the players at time were legally registered and won the titles fair and square

if anything oldco should be fined for tax/NI liabilities and maybe a fine for shady business practices......also the sfa/spl should face recourse for not auditing accounts properly and noticing the years of 'dual contracts'

you cant fine a club because the goverining body noticed that they themselves failed to act when all the information was presented to them

also what about all the cups and euroo games....if we 'cheated' to win leagues and gained entry to euro comps as a result they should be reversing every result and replaying those tournaments with the proper qualifying clubs

the implications of this result is far more important than some trophys

When Juventus were stripped of their titles, I didn't see Serie A replaying two seasons worth of games.

If Rangers are guilty of the charges being put to them then why should then be allowed to keep things illegally (by football rules) obtained?

Rangers were never required to submit detailed breakdowns of their EBT payments therefore they never disclosed who got what to the SPL.

To suggest otherwise is mearly a smokescreen.

If you are innocent then tell the commission and explain why that is the case.

Any civil action could be targeted at the then directors and former owner.

im just a fan and not an employee

i didnt have any part in the running of club and dont have any real knowledge about how it was run.
but i know if i bought a car from you then few months later started getting fines for speeding that you were responsible for....i wouldnt be paying or accepting points or even entertaining the notion of attending a made up imaginary disciplinary body with no jurisdiction

what if the car I sold to you was illegally obtained?

If they were receiving undeclared payments, no they weren't.

So even if it's shown that Rangers (IL) were only able to afford certain players through not paying tax on the wages of other players, you still think the titles were won "fair and square"? Really?

This is why i see the fitba thread as a "comedy" thread.

the payments were declared every year in the accounts

So what?

Payments to players need declared in their contracts, or they aren't properly registered.

Why would that be?

We'll see what transpires. My experience with Rangers over the last 6 months or so is that just when you think it can't get any worse it generally does. In spite of these in denial at every stage.

But all the payments they received were not, that is why they were not registered correctly.

I really do not understand why this is so difficult for you to understand.

Payments to who?

Its all well and good using this smokescreen but the EBT payments were never broken down into who got what.

That is where I have sympathy with the Rangers support.

Because, the blinkered masses that post here are (unintentionally?) hilarious to outsiders.

You are still not explaining what it is that makes it a 'comedy'?

The way Rangers/Celtic fans keep repeating the exact same lines. The way Celtic fans are more interested in a club they hate, than Celtic. The way Rangers fans keep trying to fight a losing battle in a thread full of Celtic fans.

It's funny.

I wonder how many times the word "dead" has been used in this thread.

Basically, it's...

"wur no deid"

"naw, yer deid"

"naw, we're no"

"aye, ye ure, yeez are deid"

Occasionally there's some football talk. But more often than not it's the same convo.

Lots of league cup football tonight as the second biggest team in Britain take on Newcastle, meanwhile in Scotland, Aberdeen hope to avoid another cup upset against the Pars.

Looking at the crowds in the League Cup in England last night

How many were at Celtic-Raith last night?