[dgembadgemba]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Seems like a reasonable statement to me. Bought all the magazines even when it was off air. Most of the VHS videos and now the DVD's. Many of us out there have done the same - the least we deserve is a little bit of our devotion being paid back by not having to wait much more than a couple of days than anybody else to see new footage - surely? (yes it's a big deal)

So nobody in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) did the same then?

That doesn't make you any more deserving

It isn't a big deal when you take into account all of the things the UK gets first in comparison.

[davrosdodebird]

Also, who else is going to whinge and moan about not seeing episode 1 before the people at BFI do? Events like this have exclusives, like it or not.

[Webslark]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Seems like a reasonable statement to me. Bought all the magazines even when it was off air. Most of the VHS videos and now the DVD's. Many of us out there have done the same - the least we deserve is a little bit of our devotion being paid back by not having to wait much more than a couple of days than anybody else to see new footage - surely? (yes it's a big deal)

So you are entitled to special treatment now because you bought something a long time ago, the profits from which may or may not have gone to the BBC?

As far as I was concerned, the reward I got for buying a DVD or magazine WAS the DVD or magazine. I didnt notice any fine print saying "The bearer of this gets first dibs on anything DW related in the future"

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by outside

Only "most" of them? You're not much of a fan, are you?

Sadly I'm quite a poor person in terms of finances. I spend what I can afford., I would say this makes me a devoted fan...

Originally Posted by webslark;

So you are entitled to special treatment now because you bought something a long time ago, the profits from which may or may not have gone to the BBC?

As far as I was concerned, the reward I got for buying a DVD or magazine WAS the DVD or magazine. I didnt notice any fine print saying "The bearer of this gets first dibs on anything DW related in the future"

Oh dear.... completely out of all proportion

[Webslark]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Sadly I'm quite a poor person in terms of finances. I spend what I can afford., I would say this makes me a devoted fan...




Oh dear.... completely out of all proportion

Why yes, yes you were.

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by Webslark

Why yes, yes you were.

I honestly can't be bothered with you

[Webslark]

Originally Posted by allen_who

I honestly can't be bothered with you

But you can be bothered whinging on about your entitlement to seeing DW clips first?

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by Webslark

But you can be bothered whinging on about your entitlement to seeing DW clips first?

Hmmmm., maybe you need to re read my posts and let me know where it says I want to see them first. I think you'll find my statement was that devoted fans should have to wait no longer than a few days after anyone else.

If you're going to condemn me, at least do me the privilege of reading my statements properly. I have no desire to see anything before anyone else. That would make me no better than the whole situation I'm critisising.

[dgembadgemba]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Sadly I'm quite a poor person in terms of finances. I spend what I can afford., I would say this makes me a devoted fan...

that point is completely inconsequential

You cannot base fandom on materials. Some may argue that the many that made the pilgrimage to comic con supersede your magazine and video buying

Can you not see that the fact we get the BFI previews, countless trailers, the ability to rewatch on iPlayer, the DW experience, the showing in Edinburgh, easier access to your much vaulted merchandise etc is MUCH more valuable than a 5 minute trailer showing much of the same footage we have already seen

Originally Posted by allen_who

I honestly can't be bothered with you

what a scathing reply

[Webslark]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Hmmmm., maybe you need to re read my posts and let me know where it says I want to see them first. I think you'll find my statement was that devoted fans should have to wait no longer than a few days after anyone else.

If you're going to condemn me, at least do me the privilege of reading my statements properly. I have no desire to see anything before anyone else. That would make me no better than the whole situation I'm critisising.

My apologies if I have misrepresented that element.
Lets change "first" to "ASAP" shall we?
I am however still of the opinion that previous financial layout should not justify special treatment now.
No matter how devoted you are.

[dgembadgemba]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Hmmmm., maybe you need to re read my posts and let me know where it says I want to see them first. I think you'll find my statement was that devoted fans should have to wait no longer than a few days after anyone else.

If you're going to condemn me, at least do me the privilege of reading my statements properly. I have no desire to see anything before anyone else. That would make me no better than the whole situation I'm critisising.

but you clearly agreed with Stevens assessment that "those blasted yanks get everything before us good hardworking license paying Brits"

[allen_who]

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You cannot base fandom on materials. Some may argue that the many that made the pilgrimage to comic con supersede your magazine and video buying

Can you not see that the fact we get the BFI previews, countless trailers, the ability to rewatch on iPlayer, the DW experience, the showing in Edinburgh, easier access to your much vaulted merchandise etc is MUCH more valuable than a 5 minute trailer showing much of the same footage we have already seen

.... fair enough, let's agree to disagree. I don't think either of us are backing down here.

what a scathing reply

.... and quite rightly so., misquote me and then blow it up out of all proportion. That's my response for such rot.

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by dgembadgemba

but you clearly agreed with Stevens assessment that "those blasted yanks get everything before us good hardworking license paying Brits"

It's a heavy handed statement and maybe somewhat misguided but I have sympathy for the overall sentiment he is making

[dgembadgemba]

Originally Posted by allen_who

It's a heavy handed statement and maybe somewhat misguided but I have sympathy for the overall sentiment he is making

a sentiment which is quite frankly xenophobic hogswash

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by dgembadgemba

a sentiment which is quite frankly xenophobic hogswash

whilst you are entitled to your view and I dare say plenty of others agree wit you., you're not entitled to endlessly belittle my views

[Webslark]

Originally Posted by allen_who

I'm with steven1977. We should get preference in the UK. We're the core people who made it a hit in the first place, we should get treated no worse that any other individuals when it comes to viewing trailers and previews

Originally Posted by Webslark

My apologies if I have misrepresented that element.
Lets change "first" to "ASAP" shall we?
I am however still of the opinion that previous financial layout should not justify special treatment now.
No matter how devoted you are.

Actually you did say you wanted preference, so my original postion remains valid and I have not in fact misquoted you.

[Webslark]

Originally Posted by allen_who

whilst you are entitled to your view and I dare say plenty of others agree wit you., you're not entitled to endlessly belittle my views

Actually rebutting an illogical arguments is what we are entitled to do.

Expect to get called out on these and opinions masquerading as fact.

And before anyone starts, this is my view of your argument, not of your personally.

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by Webslark

Actually you did say you wanted preference, so my original postion remains valid and I have not in fact misquoted you.

That's a matter of interpretation for the run of comments at the time isn't it. I've gone on to say on several posts since that 'no later than a few days after anyone else'.

I do believe that on the whole the UK should get preference for airing of shows and trailers. What's more I don't see what's wrong with that view. The comment you made was that I personally want special treatment because of my past investments.... such a comment wasn't made

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by Webslark

Actually rebutting an illogical arguments is what we are entitled to do.

Expect to get called out on these and opinions masquerading as fact.

And before anyone starts, this is my view of your argument, not of your personally.

Like I said, I can't be bothered with you. My opinions have become 'fact' now have they??

[Whovian1109]

I personally am gutted that I haven't got to see the Comic-Con footage, having been buzzing for it all weekend and desperately checking DS for footage. I'm not saying that the Americans get everything before we do but I'm really disappointed and can't wait another day for more Who.

[ukgnome]

Whist I understand the jealousy of allen_who for not seeing the clips I have to admit that allen_who is sounding a bit of nincompoop.

America is a huge audience and a huge source of revenue, and they have cool things such as the comic con.
If you cared so much then maybe you would organise a protest, maybe placards and a leaflet campaign (oops sorry, that's paraphrasing red dwarf)

So, before the forum police (box) pays a visit and crushes the hopes and dreams of you guys can I suggest you take off your ass hats and make up.

[dgembadgemba]

Do you really think the show would still be as strong without the overseas networks and fans?

Do they not deserve a bit of payback for sticking with the show through thick and thin

[allen_who]

Originally Posted by dgembadgemba

Do you really think the show would still be as strong without the overseas networks and fans?

Do they not deserve a bit of payback for sticking with the show through thick and thin

Absolutely., and now that they've seen some footage - several days ago, can we please see it now - is that so much to ask??

[Webslark]

[quote=allen_who;59659291]Seems like a reasonable statement to me. Bought all the magazines even when it was off air. Most of the VHS videos and now the DVD's. Many of us out there have done the same - the least we deserve is a little bit of our devotion being paid back by not having to wait much more than a couple of days than anybody else to see new footage - surely? (yes it's a big deal)[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Sadly I'm quite a poor person in terms of finances. I spend what I can afford., I would say this makes me a devoted fan...




Oh dear.... completely out of all proportion

Originally Posted by allen_who

That's a matter of interpretation for the run of comments at the time isn't it. I've gone on to say on several posts since that 'no later than a few days after anyone else'.

I do believe that on the whole the UK should get preference for airing of shows and trailers. What's more I don't see what's wrong with that view. The comment you made was that I personally want special treatment because of my past investments.... such a comment wasn't made

So repayment of your devotion displayed through purchases wasnt what you meant?

Originally Posted by allen_who

Like I said, I can't be bothered with you. My opinions have become 'fact' now have they??

As I said "Expect to get called out on these [illogical arguments] and opinions masquerading as fact."
This was a general observation of forum life and I apologise if it came across otherwise.

[allen_who]

[quote=Webslark;59662284]

Originally Posted by allen_who

Seems like a reasonable statement to me. Bought all the magazines even when it was off air. Most of the VHS videos and now the DVD's. Many of us out there have done the same - the least we deserve is a little bit of our devotion being paid back by not having to wait much more than a couple of days than anybody else to see new footage - surely? (yes it's a big deal)[/QUOTE]





So repayment of your devotion displayed through purchases wasnt what you meant?



As I said "Expect to get called out on these [illogical arguments] and opinions masquerading as fact."
This was a general observation of forum life and I apologise if it came across otherwise.

errrrr., sorry but I stand by every word of all that. That's all exactly the argument I'm making