[lumiere]

Originally Posted by String9

In 11 years? didn't Adele sell over 10million last year alone?
Also I doubt Bleeding Love would have sold as many copies if it had been released in the last couple of years.

No, it would have sold more. Singles sales are much higher now than they were when Bleeding Love was released.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by E05297535

BTW....where's Adam Lambert amongst that list then?? Or is he foirgotten cos he came 2nd in AI a few short years back?????

yes he's one of the top AI peeps after Kelly/Carrie/Jen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Lambert

and just done a mini tour fronting Queen to good reviews

[String9]

Originally Posted by lumiere

No, it would have sold more. Singles sales are much higher now than they were when Bleeding Love was released.

That could be the case, but the song is not that special in my opinion and would definitely have sold less. Leona is a typical example of a one hit wonder.

[mkirilenkofan]

Originally Posted by String9

That could be the case, but the song is not that special in my opinion and would definitely have sold less. Leona is a typical example of a one hit wonder.

Worldwide 1 hit wonder? So far she is but time will tell if she has another.

In the UK she has had Run, Better In Time and not to mention two other top 5 hits that were out of her comfort zone....Collide and Forgive Me.

AMLT - 800k+ = winner single so we shouldn't count it.

BL - 1m+
BIT - 250k+
FM - 160k+
Run - 700k+
Happy - 250k+
IGY - 150k+
Collide - 150k+

Not bad for someone who is a "one hit wonder"......

[spaceoddity]

Originally Posted by String9

That could be the case, but the song is not that special in my opinion and would definitely have sold less. Leona is a typical example of a one hit wonder.

How can you say it "definitely" would have sold less? What because you say so? Perhaps you should put aside your obvious distaste for Leona and realize the song was mega and still would've performed just aswell today.

As for Leona is a one hit wonder worldwide, I guess it's time for me to real off the statistics.

Better In Time went top 40 in 28 countries. It went into the top 10 in 20 of those countries and number 1 in 3. Last I hear it's sold around 4 million worldwide.

Forgive Me went top 40 in 13 countries. It went into the top 10 in 7 of those countries.

Run went into the top 40 in 13 countries. It went into the top 10 in 9 of those countries including number 1 in 4.

Happy went top 40 in 24 counties. It went into the top 10 in 9 of those countries including number 1 in 3.

Even I Got You went top 40 in 13 countries and Collide top 40 in 14 countries.

Is she really a one hit wonder? No one is saying the songs above were as big as Bleeding Love, not many songs in history will be, but there's no denying she's had other hits in the process.

[String9]

Originally Posted by spaceoddity

How can you say it "definitely" would have sold less? What because you say so? Perhaps you should put aside your obvious distaste for Leona and realize the song was mega and still would've performed just aswell today.

As for Leona is a one hit wonder worldwide, I guess it's time for me to real off the statistics.

Better In Time went top 40 in 28 countries. It went into the top 10 in 20 of those countries and number 1 in 3. Last I hear it's sold around 4 million worldwide.

Forgive Me went top 40 in 13 countries. It went into the top 10 in 7 of those countries.

Run went into the top 40 in 13 countries. It went into the top 10 in 9 of those countries including number 1 in 4.

Happy went top 40 in 24 counties. It went into the top 10 in 9 of those countries including number 1 in 3.

Even I Got You went top 40 in 13 countries and Collide top 40 in 14 countries.

Is she really a one hit wonder? No one is saying the songs above were as big as Bleeding Love, not many songs in history will be, but there's no denying she's had other hits in the process.

You can hardly call a song that goes top 40 a hit. I don't dislike Leona, just don't think she's that big a deal.

[soulmusic]

Originally Posted by String9

That could be the case, but the song is not that special in my opinion and would definitely have sold less. Leona is a typical example of a one hit wonder.

How on earth can Leona be an example of a one hit wonder when she has achieved 7 top 5 hits in UK, 8 top 10 hits in UK. I get that you are a 1D fan and I say good luck to them & their success, but please do not try & take away Leona's success by calling her a one hit wonder, when it is clearly not true.

[C14E]

Originally Posted by String9

That could be the case, but the song is not that special in my opinion and would definitely have sold less. Leona is a typical example of a one hit wonder.

It absolutely is the case. Singles sales are significantly higher now than they were in 2008.

The fact is that the song sold massively. You can't just write that off because you don't think it's that special!

By all accounts, Leona probably is verging on "one hit wonder" status in the US. Generally one hit wonders don't have big albums and BIT did do pretty well. But I'd agree that the perception is probably one hit wonder.

However, in the UK that's simply not the case. She has had several more hits since. And this idea that you can ignore "Run" because it's a cover is absurd. Nobody removes I Will Always Love You from Whitney's greatest hits because it's a cover... and that's far from the only example.

[spaceoddity]

Originally Posted by String9

You can hardly call a song that goes top 40 a hit. I don't dislike Leona, just don't think she's that big a deal.

You labelled her a one-hit wonder. The list above shows she had number one's in other countries with Run, Happy and Better In Time, therefore dispelling her as a one hit wonder. Every song in that list minus I Got You has entered the top 10 in a number of territories.

I'm not claiming she is a massive star at the moment because she's not. All I was putting forward is that she's not a one hit wonder and that in comparison to most reality tv stars, she's done very well.

[spaceoddity]

Though I can agree that in the US that she might be seen as a one hit-wonder due to her lack of presence there in recent years and Bleeding Love & Better In Time being the only songs people would recognize.

[E05297535]

Leona a one hit wonder??? And this is why you can't believe most of the garbage that is written on this forum...sheer fairy tales!!

[rose&ribbon]

One Direction have been around for less then a year.I don't think they should be at the top kelly clarkson should we have no idea where these artists will be in a few years time.

[d56]

Originally Posted by spaceoddity

Though I can agree that in the US that she might be seen as a one hit-wonder due to her lack of presence there in recent years and Bleeding Love & Better In Time being the only songs people would recognize.

Leona's song Happy was well known in the US too. It didn't chart high on the Billboard Hot 100 (because of lack of US radio play) but it got to like number 11 or 10 on Itunes and it was used for movie trailers like Precious and its sold over 600,000 copies in the US alone.

[abrightyz]

now you guys know how it feels when your act's achievements are being rubbished and swept under the rug, lolz!!

same here when others pooh-pooh 1D's achievements, lolz!!

[String9]

Originally Posted by abrightyz

now you guys know how it feels when your act's achievements are being rubbished and swept under the rug, lolz!!

same here when others pooh-pooh 1D's achievements, lolz!!

True that.

[abrightyz]

Originally Posted by String9

True that.

lolz!!

[kleinzach]

Originally Posted by blueface2222

reality tv does churn them out.
The success stories?


Tier 1 - the groundbreaking success type - the ones that will be seen as the success stories 10 years on
1. One Direction (international success like crazy!! too much to name)
2. Susan Boyle (3 albums worth of international success)
3.Leona Lewis (debut international succèss - who knows about now)
4.Girls Aloud (taking Credit for Cheryl too, no international, 6 platinum albums and sell out tours & singles)
5. Will Young (6 platinum albums, respected, over 8 million record sales, all studio albums no.1 or no.2, sell tours)

Tier 2 - successful but limited/had big success
1. JLS (sell out tours, albums although declining)
2. Olly Murs (continued UK success, two very successful albums, some international)
3. Jedward (Europe success, made millions you name it!)
4. Cher Lloyd (moderate UK success, some USA)
5. Rebecca Ferguson (some UK success 500k album)
6 Alexandra Burke (very successful debut although flopping now)
6. G4 (very successful but now dropped)
7. Paul Potts (very successful but now dropped - just one album)

Tier 3 - some success 'a few knock backs' but still going (but could drop to Tier 4 anyway)
1. Kym Ryder (somehow she is still on our screens today)
2. Shayne Ward (very successful debut year, then declined now musicals)
3. Stravos Flately (very successful live career)
4 Diversity (very successful TV and live career)
5. Darius (12 yrs on our screens, musicals, Popstar to Operastar, debut album and single successful
5. Myleene Klass (some amazing ad deals, albums, presenting, OK profile)
6. Gareth Gates (10yrs and in multiple musicals today)
6. Stacey Solomon (very liked, autobiography, ads, very good profile, won I'm a celeb)
7. Joe McElderry (won 2 reality shows, 3 gold albums, some live stuff)
8. Spellbound (some limited live stuff)
9. Diana Vickers (no.1 album, no.1 single, Very deals, theatre & award)
10. Rhydian (released three albums, moderate success, some live stuff)
11. Matt Cardle (only 260k selling album, some live stuff, dropped who knows about after)
12. Mary Byrne (1 successful album & book, recent album flopping)
13. Suzanne Shaw (Emmerdale) & Noel Sullivan (Theatre stuff)
14. Aiden Grimshaw (just got a deal...who knows)! could go up or down

Tier 4 - basically failed eventually the 'dumper'
Leon Jackson, Ray Quinn, Andy Abraham, Connnie Talbot, George Sampson, Signature, Maria Lawson, Ben Mills, Ronan Parke, Jai McDowall, The McDonald Brothers, Eoghann, Hearsay, Liberty X, One True Voice, The Cheeky Girls, Clea, Phixx, Brenda Edwards, Sarah Whatmore, Zoe Birkett, Rik Waller, Rosie Ribbons, Marcus Collins

tell me if i've forgetton anyone...
Where do you think Mischa, Amelia, Marcus and Little Mix will register

I think Marcus is in tier 4 already
Mischa will go in to tier 2-3 and stay there for abit
Amelia also tier 2-3 and stay there for abit
Little Mix will have their debut year at tier 2 i believe

Who is about to slip tiers or climb back up, upto now Alex was tier 1.
I think Mary and Aiden will be tier 4 by the end of the year. Joe will be tier 4 by 2 years. What about this years BGT lot?

Paul Potts released TWO albums with Syco, and has a third one out in over 30 countries and apparently about to record a fourth album

[Gill P]

Joe will be tier 4 by 2 years

I don't agree with this.

[unclekevo]

1D should be Tier 2 as they have only released one album and whilst they've been undeniably successful, it's too early to call how their next album will go.

[pothuthic]

Originally Posted by unclekevo

1D should be Tier 2 as they have only released one album and whilst they've been undeniably successful, it's too early to call how their next album will go.

They have sold 1 Million albums in the USA almost and their album is the 2nd biggest seller worldwide of 2012 only losing to Adele

[CARA2000]

Originally Posted by Gill P

I don't agree with this.

Neither do I.

What is this based on? A quick rush to the head or sustainability?

There are many in your top 2 tiers who will never maintain long-term careers as pop stars and certainly not singers. They are the novelty acts and are easily replaceable. They may go on to acting or some sort of presenting job though. There are some damn good actors amongst the Top 2 tiers. They have convinced some that they are actually good and worth investing in. Very plausible at times.

There is only 1 or 2 who are definitely incorrectly placed in your 'estimate' who have the talent and ability to sustain a singing career over decades and will have enduring respect from an audience.

[MichelleMK]

OP: how can anyone say with any degree of certainty who will still be going strong in a couple of years time?
Without a crystal ball, the best we can do is hope our favourites will still be making music and gigging, with our support.
As I understand it, neither Adele nor Elton John were an overnight success. Both big names now.
On the reverse side of the coin, (showing my age now ), the most popular solo artist by far when I was a teen was Adam Ant - at the time it felt like he'd be around on the music scene forever, he was so prolific at the time. I remember so many of my peers going out for the night with a white strip across their noses - not a good look really
Kind of glad I was more into Duran Duran and Spandau B
I'm not even sure if Adam Ant is still gigging or producing albums now, though a fan may be able to update me on that.

So, forgive me OP but the tier thing is a bit nonsensical. There are obvious artists who would fit into the top tier but as Cara says, not nearly as many as you list and the majority of categorisations are very subjective and based on current hype - not necessarily an indication of longevity. Some of those artists have only been around for 5 minutes - can't really be compared with those who have been going for 10+ years.

Edit: out of curiosity just looked up Adam Ant - and saw that not only is he still gigging but in the middle of a big tour that includes the US! Go Adam!

[billiesmith]

This is the one which made me laugh

6. Stacey Solomon (very liked, autobiography, ads, very good profile, won I'm a celeb)

I have nothing against Stacey - she comes across as a lovely person but a bit ditzy- but this proves it entirely subjective within the OP's head. "very much liked" I am sure there are millions more who are pretty indifferent to her Sounds more like someone who is a celebrity for no reason than anything she has actually achieved .

[rionia]

no ones mentioned Sam & Mark

[abrightyz]

Originally Posted by rionia

no ones mentioned Sam & Mark

yeah, saw them while channel surfing... fronting a children's afternoon show called copycats if i'm not mistaken, lolz!!