Not looking good for Series 7 is it

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ukgnome

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by Sirocco758:
“Anyone else got that feeling that Series 7 is totally going to bomb in everyway.

The Media will be bored with all the breaks aswell as fans and the ratings will suffer massively aswell due to the lack of loyalty and general frustration.

All in all I and many of my friends and family think Series 7 will be the last FULL series of Doctor Who ever, they will probably go out with a special for the 50th Anniversary and that will be Doctor Who over.

The breaks are getting tedious now, I mean even if we look at the whole of August for S7,P1 start date we will have waited 32/35 weeks for a new episode to have it over by September and then wait yet another 13/16 weeks before the Christmas special and then maybe more until S7,P2.

The BBC and Steven Moffatt need to seriously think this over imo.

James”

No, it's not looking good is it - bye then
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Shawn_Lunn

18-07-2012

Nope, Series 7 is looking exciting so far and we're not too far off it now.

steven1977

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Going by the fevered posting of some on this and other forums, as well as the ratings, it's got a long, long way to go. And, unlike many other long-running series, the programme quite cleverly reinvents itself, the Doctor, the companions, the adversaries, and even the Tardis. Even the nature of the plots and the writing changes.

It copes with the main actors leaving, it copes with members of the production team leaving.

So it always looks and feels fresh.

And I think that it's looking excellent for S7 (and beyond).”

While the show can easily rejuveniate its self I dont see the show lasting as long as the initial run.

TheSilentFez

18-07-2012

I think the episodes are as good as ever, but I find myself agreeing that the breaks are starting to get irritating.
5 episodes of series 7 before we're faced with another break! Why!?

Moffat seems to think the complete opposite of what you're saying.
He claims that if Doctor Who is on at the same time every year then people will start to get bored of it, so instead he thinks it should be more like Sherlock where the episodes are few and far between.
I could not disagree with him more. This is a terrible terrible idea and may end up doing the opposite.
I don't think the public will give up on Doctor Who because it is so widely spaced, but it's a move which is frustrating to many fans.

Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to these episodes, but why only five? I sincerely hope this is a one-off and Doctor Who returns to its usual block of 13 episodes. However, based on what Moffat has been saying, there's a possibility that it won't if he fails to see sense soon.

allen_who

18-07-2012

I'm guessing that behind the scenes it's bloody hard work putting a run of 13 together. After all RTD told Moff when he left that he loves the show as much as ever but needs a break from the hard work.

Personally I don't see why a completed series needs to be 13 episodes long, especially when you usually get two or three stinkers in there anyway. I would favour a consistent run of 9 quality episodes per year and a feature length chrimbo special. This would take the production demands right off the cast and crew and us fans can get back to knowing what to expect and roughly when...

TheSilentFez

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by allen_who:
“I'm guessing that behind the scenes it's bloody hard work putting a run of 13 together. After all RTD told Moff when he left that he loves the show as much as ever but needs a break from the hard work.

Personally I don't see why a completed series needs to be 13 episodes long, especially when you usually get two or three stinkers in there anyway. I would favour a consistent run of 9 quality episodes per year and a feature length chrimbo special. This would take the production demands right off the cast and crew and us fans can get back to knowing what to expect and roughly when...”

But this is all subjective. One person's "stinker" may be another person's favourite episode, and there haven't been any episodes in recent years where the quality has been any less than any other episode. You may personally dislike the episode based on the story, but I don't see any evidence of the cast and crew not coping with the workload and thus producing an episode of poor quality.

allen_who

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“But this is all subjective. One person's "stinker" may be another person's favourite episode, and there haven't been any episodes in recent years where the quality has been any less than any other episode. You may personally dislike the episode based on the story, but I don't see any evidence of the cast and crew not coping with the workload and thus producing an episode of poor quality.”

Yes I accept it's subjective., but I stand by my belief that cutting the production demands down will increase quality and cut out these horendous gaps.

Sherlock is a good example of few episodes (too few really) but high quality

TheSilentFez

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by allen_who:
“Yes I accept it's subjective., but I stand by my belief that cutting the production demands down will increase quality and cut out these horendous gaps.

Sherlock is a good example of few episodes (too few really) but high quality”

You may well be right, but we've no way of knowing unless they decide to implement this idea.
Personally I'd prefer 9 brilliant episodes in one go per year than 13 episodes chopped up into small chunks because I believe the main issue is coherence. To have an effective and engaging overall story, you cannot have two month breaks. The story needs to be told over the course of a number of weeks. If you try to tell the story in chunks throughout the year, people lose interest and get bored. That may well be why people go tired of the River Song arc last year- because we had a four month gap between episodes 7 and 8 meaning it was dragged out more and some people had lost interest by September.

So, in short, I agree with you, but for the reason that I believe splitting the series is a very bad idea and produces an incoherent story arc and series, thus making it feel "messy", for want of a better word.

Face Of Jack

18-07-2012

I've made it quite clear on other threads that I've not been impressed by the last two series. But I'm willing to give the next 7th one a chance.....sounds more like what I'd like to see to be honest!
I don't care about the breaks - there are enough repeats on BBC3 anyway - plus I've got plenty of DVD's of my favourite stories.
Roll on series 7 - and hopefully win me round!

Gene the Cow

18-07-2012

Sorry I'm late folks. Long day out in the fields. Anywho...

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

CoalHillJanitor

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by Gene the Cow:
“Sorry I'm late folks. Long day out in the fields. Anywho...

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”

Thanks Gene, and watch where you step!

Whovian1109

18-07-2012

I for one am stupidly excited that we'll soon have Doctor Who and I really don't like all the negativity surrounding it. If you convince yourself you're not going to like it before it airs you probably won't. Bloody trolls.

Mystical123

18-07-2012

Good grief the level of negativity on this forum has become absolutely ridiculous.

Either that or many people have acquired crystal balls recently and can see into the future. Last I checked, that wasn't possible.

PS OP, the fact that you've clearly talked to 'many of [your] friends and family' about this shows that they all watch it, or at least are willing to talk about it, which seems to imply to me the very loyalty and interest you claim is lacking...doesn't exactly give much credence to your argument I'm afraid!

Sara_Peplow

18-07-2012

Spoiler

Granny McSmith

18-07-2012

That argument is so cogent and persuasive that I am totally convinced. It's definitely all downhill from now on.

I don't think I'll even bother watching the series. What's the point? I'll just be disappointed.

I could still post on here about how bad it is, couldn't I? You don't have to watch it to do that.

Shawn_Lunn

18-07-2012

40 posts in and I still think the OP is overreacting a bit.

snakecharmer37

18-07-2012

I am no fan of Moffat. However, on the points you made, there is nothing unusual about having to wait, sometimes months for a new series. Also, if ratings can be believed, the figures for the past couple of years have been consistent. The BBC have pumped an enormous amount of money into Doctor Who and will put even more into the 50th. So no, I doubt there is any problem. Yes it is irritating having to wait for the new series, but we are used to that. Remember how long we had to wait for the new series of Trek to come here, when it was in America months beforehand.
The BBC, after pumping all this doe into the Who will want to milk it for every penny. They won't risk investing in it, if they even had the slightest doubt it would bomb.

jjesso123

18-07-2012

I think it fits perfectly. Doctor who then goes on break merlin starts then I presume just months later more doctor who. Don't see the problem at all.

Palmerwho

18-07-2012

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but calling this year the begining of the end for Doctor who is stupid. Did you catch the commercial report? Doctor Who and Torchwood are the biggest worldwide brands the BBC has.

Doctor Who doesn't have any standing sets and has 2-3 leads who are in every scene, would you rather we went back to 13 modern day earth stories and have the show back quicker?

Also as said above 3-4 months between Xmas and the start of previous series and then 5-6 months from the end till Xmas.

Personally I can't wait for series 7 and hope that Moffat and Smith are around for a long time.

TheSilentFez

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by jjesso123:
“I think it fits perfectly. Doctor who then goes on break merlin starts then I presume just months later more doctor who. Don't see the problem at all.”

The problem is that I don't watch Merlin and have never felt motivated to. The BBC has such cheek ignoring how I feel!

FATCHOPS

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“No it's not looking good for series 7, it's looking great for series 7.

Doctor Who is one of the BBC's biggest shows both and home and overseas and is going no where for the foreseeable future.”

I agree

Chihiro94

18-07-2012

Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“The problem is that I don't watch Merlin and have never felt motivated to. The BBC has such cheek ignoring how I feel!

”

At this point I'm going to jump to Merlins defence. Despite it's own issues (like no bloody reveal yet

) on the whole it's consistently good, pulls in good ratings even agasint the X factor, and I think it's only fair to the actors/writers/fans/everyone that's invovled that it isn't pushed aside on the whim of another showrunner.

Aside from that, I agree pretty much 100% with what you said about gaps and coherence. I can see why they're doing it now, but it shouldnt be pernament, I lost interest in the River storyline over the gap, and the not so good episodes standout so much more.

DW will probaly never be like Sherlock, which began as event TV unlike DW's long serial drama history, and uses source material, so often people already know what's happening at least in part, unlike DW where the story and veiwers response relies primarly on what the program shows. Sherlock is short enough, and each arc self contained enough to leave satisfied and yet wanting more and willining to wait , whereas DW, people expect it to be on.

steven1977

19-07-2012

Originally Posted by Palmerwho:
“Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but calling this year the begining of the end for Doctor who is stupid. Did you catch the commercial report? Doctor Who and Torchwood are the biggest worldwide brands the BBC has.

Doctor Who doesn't have any standing sets and has 2-3 leads who are in every scene, would you rather we went back to 13 modern day earth stories and have the show back quicker?

Also as said above 3-4 months between Xmas and the start of previous series and then 5-6 months from the end till Xmas.

Personally I can't wait for series 7 and hope that Moffat and Smith are around for a long time.”

I agree how can people not be excited about 1960s daleks and a episode in the wild west!

This season looks good.

CD93

19-07-2012

Quote:
“Anyone else got that feeling that Series 7 is totally going to be awesome in every possible way?

Fans will be ramping up and the ratings will hopefully be boosted due to the increasing global popularity of the show and the build up to the big 50!

All in all I and many of my friends and family think Series 7 will be one of the best new series of Doctor Who, and the show will probably continue for many years beyond the 50th Anniversary.

The breaks thankfully aren't as tedious as I thought they would be - mainly because Doctor Who isn't the only television show I watch, and I've got plenty of previous episodes to keep me entertained until the end of August.

Also, Jenna-Louise Coleman is worth any length of waiting.

The BBC and Steven Moffatt are doing brilliantly and should K.B.O.

CD93”

See, if the OP looked something like this...

brouhaha

19-07-2012

Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb:
“It can`t be worse than the last series. Apart from about three episodes it was dire.”

I have sufficient faith in Steven Moffat to believe that he is indeed capable of coming up with a series of Doctor Who even worse than the last one. No mean feat but I reckon if anyone can do it, Moffat's yer man.

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