[What name??]

Originally Posted by General Bounce

He's living in a house with people who don't like him, he doesn't understand why that's the case and could be cooped up with them for another 3 or 4 weeks.... so he was trying to tackle the problem head on without a confrontation. What do you expect?

It's not like they haven't told him why they dislike him. Being moany, snapping at them and glaring daggers at them from the smokers seat. Why not try to work on some of the issues rather than pretend he has no idea why he is not loved?

[Linus2]

Originally Posted by Deborah_Hobbins

i like him but i think lauren is more enteraining so she should stay

if entertaining means annoying your right ...

[mrblank]

Originally Posted by Cranberryapple

They have the right to not like him. It's their prerogative.

Everybody is going to be up for eviction at some point. Why shouldn't it be his time?

spot on i think its arrogant of him to wonder how anyone couldnt like him its as if he saying "im a great person on this journey who should be loved by one and all"

[What name??]

Originally Posted by mrblank

spot on i think its arrogant of him to wonder how anyone couldnt like him its as if he saying "im a great person on this journey who should be loved by one and all"

It was arrogant when Conor and Arron did it and it is arrogant when Luke A and Lauren assume there has to be some ulterior motive as to why they aren't universally loved. They need to get over themselves.

[Cranberryapple]

Originally Posted by Linus2

agree 100%

it must be very exhausting to live with people who don´t seem to like him so its better to clear the air to feel more comfortable around them.

But he too doesn't like people in there! Are they also exhausted by his dislike of them?

Luke S and Sara know for sure his 'grump' was with them. It was so obvious. He told Luke S something completely different when he asked to speak to him:

[Cranberryapple]

Originally Posted by What name??

It's not like they haven't told him why they dislike him. Being moany, snapping at them and glaring daggers at them from the smokers seat. Why not try to work on some of the issues rather than pretend he has no idea why he is not loved?

Totally agree. They at least stood by what they had been saying all along why they didn't like him. Luke A told them all something completely different

[Linus2]

Originally Posted by Cranberryapple

But he too doesn't like people in there! Are they also exhausted by his dislike of them?

i don´t think they care at all if he likes them or not .. they are all to self-absorbed. So when he feels very uncomfortable with the situation why is it a crime to try to resolve things? Before the face to face noms he just assumed they don´t like him but now he is sure of it.

[Cranberryapple]

Originally Posted by Linus2

i don´t think they care at all if he likes them or not .. they are all to self-absorbed. So when he feels very uncomfortable with the situation why is it a crime to try to resolve things? Before the face to face noms he just assumed they don´t like him but now he is sure of it.

It's not a crime. But he knew before nominations they didn't like him, it wasn't an assumption. He obviously knew especially about Luke S and Caroline as he mentioned it to Adam enough times..

The fact he has chosen to confront them now and lets be honest, go against all the reasons he actually told Adam is just a little too cringey. IMHO

[Linus2]

Originally Posted by Cranberryapple

The fact he has chosen to confront them now and lets be honest, go against all the reasons he actually told Adam is just a little too cringey. IMHO

i don´t see the problem i really don´t. And even if he did it to get votes (i don´t think he has) so who cares? It´s his right to get people on his side, he is a decent person and i really like him.

He was called to the DR and after BB spoke to him he confronted the HM. Maybe BB suggested it?! They never showed us the whole conversation and we all know the edit is sometimes misleading.

[JohnDoe889]

It sticks in my head when he said a few weeks ago "Luke S is being nice to me last few days but it's too late for that now".

That's when it showed what a d1ck he was. Luke S hadn't really done anything bad to him at that point.

[stanandjan]

Emma said last night.."..and we all would like a DECENT person to win..Wouldn't we?"..No huge applause but she ignored that aspect..
What a feather in Desmond's Cap..promoting the dis-advantaged..and then perhaps a specialist Mag

Signed...
A decent Person
[ with Many Failings sadly]

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by What name??

It's not like they haven't told him why they dislike him. Being moany, snapping at them and glaring daggers at them from the smokers seat. Why not try to work on some of the issues rather than pretend he has no idea why he is not loved?

I can't see your point. By sitting down and asking how he had upset them, discussing it and apologising for any upset he had caused, he WAS working on some of the issues, wasn't he?

[somin]

Yeah he is a bit cringey to watch and sometimes I feel sorry for him. Like the time he went round revealing he was transsexual. To him it was some huge dramatic moment that he hoped would play well with viewers, and the reactions were kind of "Oh okay... moving on".

[CBFreak]

Originally Posted by somin

Yeah he is a bit cringey to watch and sometimes I feel sorry for him. Like the time he went round revealing he was transsexual. To him it was some huge dramatic moment that he hoped would play well with viewers, and the reactions were kind of "Oh okay... moving on".

Of course it was a huge moment. It's the hardest most pertinent moment of his entire life thus far. It shapes his whole life and would of course be his biggest worry in the house.

I highly doubt he was thinking. "Yeah lets exploit my major life change to get complete strangers to vote to keep me in this game show"

[What name??]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

I can't see your point. By sitting down and asking how he had upset them, discussing it and apologising for any upset he had caused, he WAS working on some of the issues, wasn't he?

No. Because he already knew what he issues were (irritability, snappiness, throwing tasks and not mixing) and ignored the stated ones and tried to pretend there were unstated ones that they should approach him about in future next time - despite the fact that some of them had already had tried to resolve things with him in the past and he had rejected their overtures.

[Tominxster]

I liked last night when he was in the DR and talking about how he 'hated' some of the other housemates.

There was probably hours between this in real time however by the edits within a couple of minutes he's in the garden having the 'chat' with Luke S. He said to Luke S outside he said that he's never said he hated him or anyone.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by somin

Yeah he is a bit cringey to watch and sometimes I feel sorry for him. Like the time he went round revealing he was transsexual. To him it was some huge dramatic moment that he hoped would play well with viewers, and the reactions were kind of "Oh okay... moving on".

Why on earth do people keep repeating this? We all saw the same show. He was nervous about how they would react, told them as quietly as he possibly could, a couple at a time, and said he was incredibly relieved by how well they had all responded. It was unkind of BB to show us four separate conversations in one highlights show as if he was somehow responsible for editing it to make himself more visible than the others but he really couldn't have made less of a fuss about it. Only Caroline's response was, and continues to be baffling.

"You might be surprised to learn that I was born female."

Caroline, in a voice of immense boredom: "Ok." [Lies back and closes her eyes as if further conversation is altogether too much trouble]. He might possibly, though he never said so, have been just a touch surprised at that. The others were absolutely fine though - interested, encouraging, unfussy, just what he obviously hoped for.

[somin]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

Why on earth do people keep repeating this?

It's the first time I've mentioned it, and I haven't seen it mentioned much at all.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

But I like his conversations - I find them real, likeable and mature in a house that has been desperately lacking in those qualities.


Because he was gutted at the hostility of the one to one nominations (which he took far more to heart than ultra-confident Lauren) and BB talked him through the best way to deal with this. You saw the same programme as I did.

Has he actually had any conversations other than about other HMs or his dislike of Luke S? I can't remember any interesting conversations he has had.

[What name??]

Originally Posted by lynzee

Has he actually had any conversations other than about other HMs or his dislike of Luke S? I can't remember any interesting conversations he has had.

To be fair we don't know. There are hints that they do have normal conversations out on the smokers bench because back in the day we had Arron and Conor try to join and then complain because the conversation was too intelligent and threfore boring for them.

They could be out there all day discussing lots of interesting subjects and BB would only show the bit of gossip that moved the storyline on.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

But I like his conversations - I find them real, likeable and mature in a house that has been desperately lacking in those qualities.


Because he was gutted at the hostility of the one to one nominations (which he took far more to heart than ultra-confident Lauren) and BB talked him through the best way to deal with this. You saw the same programme as I did.

I saw the same programme you did and what I saw was someone who has realized that he may be evicted this Friday and knows that he has spent a lot of his time in the house talking about his fellow HMs behind their backs and if he is evicted he may well get booed, which he is afraid of. Also someone who is desperately trying to ensure that if he does stay on Friday that he is not nominated again by the very HM that he has been talking about behind their backs.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by somin

It's the first time I've mentioned it, and I haven't seen it mentioned much at all.

It has been mentioned innumerable times. I wasn't suggesting that you were responsible. People can't admit the obvious fact that he told his background story in the way that would cause the absolute minimum of fuss. At the time people were affecting great indignation that he had told people in small groups instead of summoning a house meeting and making an announement, as if that would somehow have been less attention seeking; he has repeatedly been abused for telling people at all, which seems plain ludicrous.

Originally Posted by What name??

To be fair we don't know. There are hints that they do have normal conversations out on the smokers bench because back in the day we had Arron and Conor try to join and then complain because the conversation was too intelligent and threfore boring for them.

They could be out there all day discussing lots of interesting subjects and BB would only show the bit of gossip that moved the storyline on.

BB twitter is particularly aggravating: I couldn't count the number of times it has tweeted "Luke A, Lauren and Adam are sitting up late talking about ............" - anything from films to how they lost their virginity to childhood memories - and not one word of this is ever shown. When we are allowed to see their conversations it always seems to be because someone else outside their group is listening as well - we have seen some funny stuff with Deana - but for some reason conversations between the three of them are only ever hinted at and not shown.

But yes, Arron was very aggrieved at the way they sounded intelligent. It must have been awful for him.

[townrain]

I will miss LukeA's moaning and desperation when he is evicted.

[lynzee]

Originally Posted by What name??

To be fair we don't know. There are hints that they do have normal conversations out on the smokers bench because back in the day we had Arron and Conor try to join and then complain because the conversation was too intelligent and threfore boring for them.

They could be out there all day discussing lots of interesting subjects and BB would only show the bit of gossip that moved the storyline on.

WonkeyDonkey seems to have seen some more interesting conversations. I haven't missed an episode but can't say that I remember any particularly interesting talks in the house this year at all.

[somin]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

It has been mentioned innumerable times. I wasn't suggesting that you were responsible. People can't admit the obvious fact that he told his background story in the way that would cause the absolute minimum of fuss. At the time people were affecting great indignation that he had told people in small groups instead of summoning a house meeting and making an announement, as if that would somehow have been less attention seeking; he has repeatedly been abused for telling people at all, which seems plain ludicrous.

OK I see. I haven't been on the forums enough this year to know what people have been talking about. Anyway, I'm not saying he was being attention-seeking or manipulative, all I said was that it looked to me that he thought it would go down well with viewers and be a big moment for everyone, not only himself, and that's understandable, but it didn't turn out that way and I felt a bit sorry for him when the other HMs seemed uninterested and unfazed by it. That's how it looked to me, in any case. The biggest reaction seemed to be from Ashleigh, who seemed to be playing "thick" and pretending she didn't understand the issue, which must have been a bit annoying and exasperating for Luke A.