[Socrotes]

He is trying far too hard like Deana is being over abalytical instead of enjoying the experience.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by sutie

I've always liked Luke A and had a lot of respect for him. Tonight however, I felt a little uncomfortable with his (albeit heartfelt) 'why don't you like me?' convos.

I think it's because he's failed to take into account that he clearly doesn't like some of the people in there, and so I feel he should award them the same opportunity to dislike him without being questioned about it.

But he was trying to get to the bottom of why HE didn't like THEM (without turning it into a horrible "and you always..." bleat). He said to Caroline that he didn't like the way she whispered about people, and let her say her piece. He told Luke S that he had ignored him for two weeks and treated him as if he was invisible, then let him say his piece. I can't actually remember what he said to Becky - possibly I was too busy hiding in the cupboard under the stairs by that point - but it was an honest attempt to explain his issues and deal with theirs.

[LarryHillington]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

But he was trying to get to the bottom of why HE didn't like THEM (without turning it into a horrible "and you always..." bleat). He said to Caroline that he didn't like the way she whispered about people, and let her say her piece. He told Luke S that he had ignored him for two weeks and treated him as if he was invisible, then let him say his piece. I can't actually remember what he said to Becky - possibly I was too busy hiding in the cupboard under the stairs by that point - but it was an honest attempt to explain his issues and deal with theirs.

What is the deal here, wonkey?

There's liking someone and then there's blind loyalty. You have become obsessive in your defence of Luke A.

He can do no wrong in your eyes.

You even said you find it endearing when he ruffles his hair. I find that disturbing.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by LarryHillington

You even said you find it endearing when he ruffles his hair. I find that disturbing.

I did say that, yes. And I do. You must just try to be strong and overcome your disturbing thoughts.

[paralax]

As much as I like him it was cringeworthy. I want to see him stand up to them not suck up to them and I think it may have ruined any chance he had of staying. I don't doubt he did it for all the right reasons, although I'd rather he had been playing them at their own game and just trying to manipulate them into not nominating him again, if he stayed.

[od hominem]

Originally Posted by LarryHillington

What is the deal here, wonkey?

There's liking someone and then there's blind loyalty. You have become obsessive in your defence of Luke A.

He can do no wrong in your eyes.

You even said you find it endearing when he ruffles his hair. I find that disturbing.

If you want to see real obsessive behaviour, check out the man in the mirror.

[Agent F]

Originally Posted by LarryHillington

You have become obsessive in your defence of Luke A.

That is HILARIOUS.

[Pollyusa]

Originally Posted by Agent F

That is HILARIOUS.

It is pretty funny

[Pollyusa]

Originally Posted by JVS

My guess is that BB told him to talk to the insiders after they had a pep-talk about his feelings in the Diary Room. By editing that out it made Luke A look like he was licking rear-ends after being nominated.

I think you are correct...seems clear Luke A was very down last night and BB offered this "licking rear-ends" plan of action , which is frankly awful to watch

I think there was more to Luke A's distress at the face to face noms. He went in to DR first thing in the morning and BB saying "are you OK this morning"...Also Conor. and others being much nicer to Luke A ...they seem to know Luke A was in a very bad place

[Colbert Bump]

Bad move. Deana told him last night 'why would you want them to like you?'.

[onfencewithrach]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

yes you have. Weeks ago you said he was a miserable, moany bore. I always like to check this kind of statement to see if the person really has changed their mind, or just thinks that makes their post sound stronger.

that doesn't mean he/she disliked him just that he/she thought he was a miserable, moany bore, could've been in one episode, could've been for one moment.

i went through a period where lauren annoyed me to the point of exhaustion because of her voice but once the voice got back to normal i was ok with her again.

wtf btw who goes back and checks what people said weeks ago.

[Speak-Softly]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

But he was trying to get to the bottom of why HE didn't like THEM (without turning it into a horrible "and you always..." bleat). He said to Caroline that he didn't like the way she whispered about people, and let her say her piece. He told Luke S that he had ignored him for two weeks and treated him as if he was invisible, then let him say his piece. I can't actually remember what he said to Becky - possibly I was too busy hiding in the cupboard under the stairs by that point - but it was an honest attempt to explain his issues and deal with theirs.

That's not entirely true.
The bits they showed on tonight's HL show was cut.

Luke A said he disliked Luke S from the moment he walked down the stairs, something about Luke a looking very confident.

When he said that Luke S treated him as if he was invisible, Luke S said something about they used to do the exercising together but it fizzled out and then they didn't talk.

What Luke A has conveniently forgotten is that Chris was the kickstart to him hating Luke S. Though that was built on Luke A's insecurities (and not forgetting Chris's own as well, who remembers "want to piss with you not against you to Aaron")

Luke A has made a complete mess of his time in the house and he really doesn't have anyone to blame but himself.

For weeks all we have read here is how nasty the "insiders" are but half of it stems from Luke A pretending to himself he has been rejected and trying to justify his insecurities by projecting false emotions onto other HM.

He was never hated. Even him saying it now rings false. They liked him more than the others who have been nominated and evicted but just not as much as those who they haven't nominated this week.

Me, I can't stand him.
He's the kind of person who makes others look bad because they can't get over themselves.

[chipbuttie1]

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly

That's not entirely true.
The bits they showed on tonight's HL show was cut.

Luke A said he disliked Luke S from the moment he walked down the stairs, something about Luke a looking very confident.

When he said that Luke S treated him as if he was invisible, Luke S said something about they used to do the exercising together but it fizzled out and then they didn't talk.

What Luke A has conveniently forgotten is that Chris was the kickstart to him hating Luke S. Though that was built on Luke A's insecurities (and not forgetting Chris's own as well, who remembers "want to piss with you not against you to Aaron")

Luke A has made a complete mess of his time in the house and he really doesn't have anyone to blame but himself.

For weeks all we have read here is how nasty the "insiders" are but half of it stems from Luke A pretending to himself he has been rejected and trying to justify his insecurities by projecting false emotions onto other HM.

He was never hated. Even him saying it now rings false. They liked him more than the others who have been nominated and evicted but just not as much as those who they haven't nominated this week.

Me, I can't stand him.
He's the kind of person who makes others look bad because they can't get over themselves.

I don't agree. I think alot of the trouble stems from the fact that because they were allowed to discuss nominations initially, they formed their little 'groups', despite noms no longer being up for discussion these groups were already formed and other HMs ie the outsiders were ostracised.

But because the groups were no longer able to discuss nominations they got more crafty and started inventing excuses to nominate the outsiders.

This is what has basically caused the situation. IMO The outsiders never removed themselves from the other group, because they were never allowed to be 'in' that group.

[s15859]

Originally Posted by Agent F

That is HILARIOUS.

True true

[LarryHillington]

Originally Posted by chipbuttie1

I don't agree. I think alot of the trouble stems from the fact that because they were allowed to discuss nominations initially, they formed their little 'groups', despite noms no longer being up for discussion these groups were already formed and other HMs ie the outsiders were ostracised.

But because the groups were no longer able to discuss nominations they got more crafty and started inventing excuses to nominate the outsiders.

This is what has basically caused the situation. IMO The outsiders never removed themselves from the other group, because they were never allowed to be 'in' that group.

At the end of the day they all walk in as individuals. What happens from there is up to them. It's up to the housemates to build strong relations.

I can totally understand why Luke A became an outsider. He said he's been an outsider his whole life so it was no great surprise.

He has many issues and insecurities and that will always hold him back. Certainly the hatred he has for Luke S purely comes down to his own issues and insecurities. He basically admitted that during their chat together this week.

He said he immediately felt intimidated by Luke S, not because he's nasty, but because he's a level headed cool guy with a great body.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Colbert Bump

Bad move. Deana told him last night 'why would you want them to like you?'.

Yes, and I think that was good advice. Deana's advice to Luke A was also very similar to Luke A's advice to Lauren.

But I think there are two different cases: Sara & Luke S, Becky and Caroline.

It makes sense to try to talk things through with Sara and with Luke S. They're both fairly reasonable and non-scheming. There's a possibility of getting on friendlier terms without being stabbed in the back. And to a large extent, any dislike involved was based on misunderstanding and on not spending much time together.

(All this time, we've been told Luke S must be horribly controlling, or worse, for Luke A to dislike him so, but it's turned out that wasn't the problem after all. They understand each other better now; we understand both of them better: that's good.)

But Becky and Caroline are a different story.

[Sunnydayz]

I find Luke's need for acceptance a little strange, simply because he has a wife who loves him completely for who he is. How many people are as lucky as that.

[IrishGranny]

Originally Posted by LarryHillington

At the end of the day they all walk in as individuals. What happens from there is up to them. It's up to the housemates to build strong relations.

I can totally understand why Luke A became an outsider. He said he's been an outsider his whole life so it was no great surprise.

He has many issues and insecurities and that will always hold him back. Certainly the hatred he has for Luke S purely comes down to his own issues and insecurities. He basically admitted that during their chat together this week.

He said he immediately felt intimidated by Luke S, not because he's nasty, but because he's a level headed cool guy with a great body.

I admired Luke A tonight for finally being honest both to himself and to Luke S about the true reasons for his resentment /envy against him.

I also think Luke S is a basically nice guy but I do think he may have felt a little uncomfortable and unsure of how to behave around the whole gender issue with Luke A and that Luke A sensed that and interpreted it as dislike.

Luke A however was wrong in avoiding Luke S and finding reasons to hate him, had he been more willing to allow for the fact that Luke S may never have had any social interactions with a transgender person, attempted to keep up their training together etc I think they could have become friends as they are more similar in personality than any two other males in the house were.

Unfortunately, in his own words, it may be just "too little, too late" to repair the damage done and also to keep his place in the house. I am sure he now regrets the fact that he did not accept the olive branch that the other Luke tried to hand him 2 weeks or more ago.

Luke S would have gone up in my estimation had he been prepared to admit that like over 75% of men he is just not quite sure exactly how he can/should act around a transgender person. That is not being transphobic it merely shows a mild problem in dealing with certain types of social interaction, a problem which Luke A shares, I believe.

Lauren has been gurning round the house since the first week about people not liking her and then sucking up to those she thinks are the culprits. So if anyone deserves to be evicted for cringeworthiness, sucking-up, moaning and gurning I am afraid it is Lauren.

I believe Luke A showed a level of emotional maturity and courage in some of the conversations he had tonight.

[Wayne_Daniels]

Hope he goes,ive never liked him and last night was an embarrassging watch

[Heavenly]

Haven't watched it yet but I fear he has cooked his goose and he will be out.

[Karen_Woods]

i repeat luke a own words regarding luke s about making up and talking to him,

TO LITTLE TO LATE,

what happen to that little theroy?

[JanisElizabeth]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

yes you have. Weeks ago you said he was a miserable, moany bore. I always like to check this kind of statement to see if the person really has changed their mind, or just thinks that makes their post sound stronger.

Well I'm pretty sure I haven't said anything nasty about him because I do like him but I found last night's heart to hearts very cringey. I don't know why he felt that bad about it. After all, he only received 4 noms, it's not as if everyone in the house nominated him. I don't think he has handled this week very well at all. I still am annoyed that he is up this week though. There are so many others who should be up before him.

[JanisElizabeth]

Originally Posted by LarryHillington

What is the deal here, wonkey?

There's liking someone and then there's blind loyalty. You have become obsessive in your defence of Luke A.

He can do no wrong in your eyes.

You even said you find it endearing when he ruffles his hair. I find that disturbing.

Pots and kettles come to mind Larry. You won't listen to a GOOD word about him. According to you he's the devil incarnate

[miamoo]

I did like Luke A, but last night he just came across as pathetic. Why cant I be popular?!
Popular with Caroline/Connor/Becky? Why on earth does he want to be 'in' with them.
He has no self confidence,or self respect. My 15yr old DD would have more self respect than to want to be friends with nasty bullys.
I just cant work him out.
Deana was spot on when she said 'why would you want them to like you'.

[Syntax Error]

On the contrary, I think Luke A should be applauded for his actions.

What do some people on this thread want; did they want he to be verbally aggressive to them & kick & throw things?

He's obviously done it to save his skin, but Luke A is honest & has openly said that he doesn't want to go & is there to win, so what is wrong with him being a mature adult & trying resolve the situation in an adult way?