[Bingette]

I totally agree, Caroline is vile thats just her but Becky is being nasty to fit in thats worse IMO

[JanisElizabeth]

Originally Posted by Bingette

I totally agree, Caroline is vile thats just her but Becky is being nasty to fit in thats worse IMO

Yes she's deliberately being nasty to people to show how clever she is to the "in crowd". I hope she's proud of herself when she watches it back!

[WhatJoeThinks]

Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth

Yea his Big Brother (not sure if he's younger or older btw) screwed him over

LOL! Very good. I hadn't thought of that. (Though it was actually Big Brother's Little Brother, but close enough. )

[JanisElizabeth]

Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks

LOL! Very good. I hadn't thought of that. (Though it was actually Big Brother's Little Brother, but close enough. )

Is Ed the younger brother then? I wasn't sure.

[cah]

Becky is the biggest shit stirrer in there ,and has zero empathy For all Carolines nastiness ,she at least as the grace to acknowledge it when confronted whereas Becky just flat out denies it

[WhatJoeThinks]

Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth

Is Ed the younger brother then? I wasn't sure.

Neither was I. I Googled it. I had to Google it the first time too, to remember if it was Ed or David I was thinking of.

[patsylimerick]

I think Caroline is simply a better tactician.

Caroline is a fairly central player and always has been. She has a half decent vocabulary; which, given the company she's keeping, comes across as much better than it actually is. She has a certain wit - but it bores me rigid because it amounts to variations on the same insults and put-downs repeated ad nauseum. She has also mastered the art of self-deprecation - which is always seen as a positive attribute. I think, in her case, it's an affectation. She does it too often. Her response when Sara challenged her behaviour "it's because I'm sooooo fat" was a classic example of Caroline using self-deprecation as diversion. She's good - I'll give her that. The overbearingly conscious decision to look like an urchin is illustrative of this, also.

Becky, on the other hand, is a thoroughly unpleasant young woman and very selfish. For the brief while she was on the receiving end of the bile from the Insiders, she miraculously re-discovered her friendship with Deana. But the second Conor snapped his fingers she rolled over and asked them to stroke her belly (or was it weigh her breasts?). Her overacting in the Diary Room just reminds me of Josie and makes me feel nauseous. She's dull, inarticulate, greedy and selfish.

But who's 'worse'? I think Caroline, because Caroline is so much more influential and knows that she is. Becky is simply desperate for approval and too bereft of morals and cop-on to react any differently.

I don't think any of the housemates who have to share a house with Conor and Caroline can accurately be judged at all; because almost everything they do and say is impacted upon by the fact that Caroline and Conor are calling the shots and are, both, in different ways, an extremely intimidating presence in the house.

[WhatJoeThinks]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I think Caroline is simply a better tactician.

Caroline is a fairly central player and always has been. She has a half decent vocabulary; which, given the company she's keeping, comes across as much better than it actually is. She has a certain wit - but it bores me rigid because it amounts to variations on the same insults and put-downs repeated ad nauseum. She has also mastered the art of self-deprecation - which is always seen as a positive attribute. I think, in her case, it's an affectation. She does it too often. Her response when Sara challenged her behaviour "it's because I'm sooooo fat" was a classic example of Caroline using self-deprecation as diversion. She's good - I'll give her that. The overbearingly conscious decision to look like an urchin is illustrative of this, also.

Becky, on the other hand, is a thoroughly unpleasant young woman and very selfish. For the brief while she was on the receiving end of the bile from the Insiders, she miraculously re-discovered her friendship with Deana. But the second Conor snapped his fingers she rolled over and asked them to stroke her belly (or was it weigh her breasts?). Her overacting in the Diary Room just reminds me of Josie and makes me feel nauseous. She's dull, inarticulate, greedy and selfish.

But who's 'worse'? I think Caroline, because Caroline is so much more influential and knows that she is. Becky is simply desperate for approval and too bereft of morals and cop-on to react any differently.

I don't think any of the housemates who have to share a house with Conor and Caroline can accurately be judged at all; because almost everything they do and say is impacted upon by the fact that Caroline and Conor are calling the shots and are, both, in different ways, an extremely intimidating presence in the house.

Bravissimo.

[SpiderMan 83]

Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth

Never thought I'd say this but Becky has taken over from Caroline as being the worst bitch in that house. She is so nasty. Caroline at least said she would try to get on with the others and try not to be so bitchy (not sure I believe her lol but still) and spoke to BB about it while Becky is doing her best to keep the tension and nastiness going in the house. She was about as sincere as an American politician when she had her "heart to heart" with Luke A and her eyes were darting everywhere while telling him that "100% you can trust me". Then she starts stirring between Luke S and Ash by going on about "Wooden Spoon Girl". The last thing she wants is peace in the house. A truly nasty piece of work

Both bad as each other. But Becky younger the Carol if that means anything

[MargMck]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I think Caroline is simply a better tactician.

Caroline is a fairly central player and always has been. She has a half decent vocabulary; which, given the company she's keeping, comes across as much better than it actually is. She has a certain wit - but it bores me rigid because it amounts to variations on the same insults and put-downs repeated ad nauseum. She has also mastered the art of self-deprecation - which is always seen as a positive attribute. I think, in her case, it's an affectation. She does it too often. Her response when Sara challenged her behaviour "it's because I'm sooooo fat" was a classic example of Caroline using self-deprecation as diversion. She's good - I'll give her that. The overbearingly conscious decision to look like an urchin is illustrative of this, also.

Becky, on the other hand, is a thoroughly unpleasant young woman and very selfish. For the brief while she was on the receiving end of the bile from the Insiders, she miraculously re-discovered her friendship with Deana. But the second Conor snapped his fingers she rolled over and asked them to stroke her belly (or was it weigh her breasts?). Her overacting in the Diary Room just reminds me of Josie and makes me feel nauseous. She's dull, inarticulate, greedy and selfish.

But who's 'worse'? I think Caroline, because Caroline is so much more influential and knows that she is. Becky is simply desperate for approval and too bereft of morals and cop-on to react any differently.

I don't think any of the housemates who have to share a house with Conor and Caroline can accurately be judged at all; because almost everything they do and say is impacted upon by the fact that Caroline and Conor are calling the shots and are, both, in different ways, an extremely intimidating presence in the house.

What an excellent read.
Re BIB - I recall my frustration when another unlikely pairing - JJJ - seemed to be able to get away with just about anything because no one would stand up to them (at least to their faces). Two very different people with different tactics to dominate, but the sum of the whole was an oppressive presence. When Sam Pepper came in there was hope, but even he ended up as a bit of a pet at the end of their bed.

[LilyAnna80]

Originally Posted by Jakobjoe

Its nothing , just role playing the game.You have to get to that first place and the 100 thou is what makes tactics so important.

Yes - but you are not supposed to turn the voters against you

[Virgil Tracy]

she is horrible .

when Lauren confronted her she lied and dodged and kept shouting "it wasn't malicious!" , she did the same with LukeA when he spoke to her .

and then later she was still calling Lauren a wooden spoon , she wants in with the Insiders , I hope they turn on her .

[Darcyprincess]

Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth

Never thought I'd say this but Becky has taken over from Caroline as being the worst bitch in that house. She is so nasty. Caroline at least said she would try to get on with the others and try not to be so bitchy (not sure I believe her lol but still) and spoke to BB about it while Becky is doing her best to keep the tension and nastiness going in the house. She was about as sincere as an American politician when she had her "heart to heart" with Luke A and her eyes were darting everywhere while telling him that "100% you can trust me". Then she starts stirring between Luke S and Ash by going on about "Wooden Spoon Girl". The last thing she wants is peace in the house. A truly nasty piece of work

I could not agree more, you are spot on about Becky. I don't like Caroline but Becky is taking it to another new level at the moment. It seems that now she thinks that Conor is her new best friend and she is in with the in-crowd she can do and say exactly what she wants, like she is protected by Conor. She has got louder, bossy and really quite rude to everybody and I think that she will get a lot of nominations this next week if it is normal noms. She is behaving really quite vile at the moment and it seems that she thinks that she is running the house too! What with the shopping list and saying that Ashley has a problem with "Wooden Spoon", meaning Lauren, is really, really, nasty and all she is doing is stirring things up still! Becky is the biggest bitch in there at the moment.

[Pices-55]

Originally Posted by MargMck

What an excellent read.
Re BIB - I recall my frustration when another unlikely pairing - JJJ - seemed to be able to get away with just about anything because no one would stand up to them (at least to their faces). Two very different people with different tactics to dominate, but the sum of the whole was an oppressive presence. When Sam Pepper came in there was hope, but even he ended up as a bit of a pet at the end of their bed.

Thats not quite true, Ben stood up to them and got evicted for it.

[Darcyprincess]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I think Caroline is simply a better tactician.

Caroline is a fairly central player and always has been. She has a half decent vocabulary; which, given the company she's keeping, comes across as much better than it actually is. She has a certain wit - but it bores me rigid because it amounts to variations on the same insults and put-downs repeated ad nauseum. She has also mastered the art of self-deprecation - which is always seen as a positive attribute. I think, in her case, it's an affectation. She does it too often. Her response when Sara challenged her behaviour "it's because I'm sooooo fat" was a classic example of Caroline using self-deprecation as diversion. She's good - I'll give her that. The overbearingly conscious decision to look like an urchin is illustrative of this, also.

Becky, on the other hand, is a thoroughly unpleasant young woman and very selfish. For the brief while she was on the receiving end of the bile from the Insiders, she miraculously re-discovered her friendship with Deana. But the second Conor snapped his fingers she rolled over and asked them to stroke her belly (or was it weigh her breasts?). Her overacting in the Diary Room just reminds me of Josie and makes me feel nauseous. She's dull, inarticulate, greedy and selfish.

But who's 'worse'? I think Caroline, because Caroline is so much more influential and knows that she is. Becky is simply desperate for approval and too bereft of morals and cop-on to react any differently.

I don't think any of the housemates who have to share a house with Conor and Caroline can accurately be judged at all; because almost everything they do and say is impacted upon by the fact that Caroline and Conor are calling the shots and are, both, in different ways, an extremely intimidating presence in the house.

Yes, great post Patsy, I think that your view is spot on and I feel exactly the same as you in that the intimidating presence of both Conor and Caroline in the house has ruined the experience for those that are not in their clique and thus ruining their whole experience because they cannot be themselves! Luke and Lauren have said how they have felt like outsiders, isolated, miserable and hated!. This is because of their doing. I really don't know how Lauren has stayed as cheerfull as she has been most of the time. Its no wonder she has had her tears and her little hissy fits!

[Forget-me-not]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

I think Caroline is simply a better tactician.

Caroline is a fairly central player and always has been. She has a half decent vocabulary; which, given the company she's keeping, comes across as much better than it actually is. She has a certain wit - but it bores me rigid because it amounts to variations on the same insults and put-downs repeated ad nauseum. She has also mastered the art of self-deprecation - which is always seen as a positive attribute. I think, in her case, it's an affectation. She does it too often. Her response when Sara challenged her behaviour "it's because I'm sooooo fat" was a classic example of Caroline using self-deprecation as diversion. She's good - I'll give her that. The overbearingly conscious decision to look like an urchin is illustrative of this, also.

Becky, on the other hand, is a thoroughly unpleasant young woman and very selfish. For the brief while she was on the receiving end of the bile from the Insiders, she miraculously re-discovered her friendship with Deana. But the second Conor snapped his fingers she rolled over and asked them to stroke her belly (or was it weigh her breasts?). Her overacting in the Diary Room just reminds me of Josie and makes me feel nauseous. She's dull, inarticulate, greedy and selfish.

But who's 'worse'? I think Caroline, because Caroline is so much more influential and knows that she is. Becky is simply desperate for approval and too bereft of morals and cop-on to react any differently.
I don't think any of the housemates who have to share a house with Conor and Caroline can accurately be judged at all; because almost everything they do and say is impacted upon by the fact that Caroline and Conor are calling the shots and are, both, in different ways, an extremely intimidating presence in the house.

I entirely agree with all of this post and have highlighed the part which for me is the crux of the matter. Caroline is very intelligent and knows what she is doing - even the over exaggerated self depreciation when she is called on her actions and that makes her worse and cruel. Becky is a dim, rather charmless girl without any strength of character, floundering around desperate to fit in, sad and pathetic certainly but not bright enough to have the calculating edge of Caroline.

[Vengie]

Originally Posted by Darcyprincess

I could not agree more, you are spot on about Becky. I don't like Caroline but Becky is taking it to another new level at the moment. It seems that now she thinks that Conor is her new best friend and she is in with the in-crowd she can do and say exactly what she wants, like she is protected by Conor. She has got louder, bossy and really quite rude to everybody and I think that she will get a lot of nominations this next week if it is normal noms. She is behaving really quite vile at the moment and it seems that she thinks that she is running the house too! What with the shopping list and saying that Ashley has a problem with "Wooden Spoon", meaning Lauren, is really, really, nasty and all she is doing is stirring things up still! Becky is the biggest bitch in there at the moment.

I agree about Becky, she seems to take great delight in running others down but not so much because she's irritated with them but just for the sake of doing so and to be in Conor's good books. Also Becky is loud and seems to take great satisfaction in making someone feel uncomfortable like she did with the cakes issue with Lauren. Caroline, whilst she has been nasty about people and influential in the house, hers seems to be born out of being irritated by something that person has done or keeps on doing but she does so behind the persons back most of the time both are bad but I do think what Becky does is worse.

[MargMck]

Originally Posted by Pices-55

Thats not quite true, Ben stood up to them and got evicted for it.

Yes, he suddenly found himself alone in that one. You're right. That Cougar woman Jo also promised to make sparks fly and then did too little, too late.

[Blondie X]

Originally Posted by Forget-me-not

I entirely agree with all of this post and have highlighed the part which for me is the crux of the matter. Caroline is very intelligent and knows what she is doing - even the over exaggerated self depreciation when she is called on her actions and that makes her worse and cruel. Becky is a dim, rather charmless girl without any strength of character, floundering around desperate to fit in, sad and pathetic certainly but not bright enough to have the calculating edge of Caroline.

I was going to quote Patsys excellent post but you've pretty much said what I think.

Becky, for all her biching and two faced behaviour, is not in the same league as Caroline. She's a sheep with a bitchy streak and will do and say anything that she thinks will make her friends and it's sad that she is just being used by much more vicious gameplayers. I'm finding it hard to have any sympathy for her inevitable downfall though as she really has brought it all on herself.
Caroline is probably one of the most manipulative HMs we've ever seen on BB. She plots, she schemes and then she plays the innocent and always blames the other person for having issues with her. I think she lies so much that she doesn't even know what the truth is anymore.

[Forget-me-not]

Originally Posted by Blondie X

I was going to quote Patsys excellent post but you've pretty much said what I think.

Becky, for all her biching and two faced behaviour, is not in the same league as Caroline. She's a sheep with a bitchy streak and will do and say anything that she thinks will make her friends and it's sad that she is just being used by much more vicious gameplayers. I'm finding it hard to have any sympathy for her inevitable downfall though as she really has brought it all on herself.
Caroline is probably one of the most manipulative HMs we've ever seen on BB. She plots, she schemes and then she plays the innocent and always blames the other person for having issues with her. I think she lies so much that she doesn't even know what the truth is anymore.

True, I also think Caroline has serious issues that need addressing otherwise she is going to be the cause of a lot of hurt and trouble throughout her life, both to herself and others.

[cyberwar]

Becky thinks she's got it in the bag.

[Bingette]

Originally Posted by JanisElizabeth

Yes she's deliberately being nasty to people to show how clever she is to the "in crowd". I hope she's proud of herself when she watches it back!

Absolutely she is walking round thinking she is cock of the walk
well she is in for a big fall and when she does get boo'd leaving I will not feel one bit sorry for her.

[JanisElizabeth]

Originally Posted by SpiderMan 83

Both bad as each other. But Becky younger the Carol if that means anything

Only by a year. As I said before I have three girls all older than both of them and none of mine would ever have treated people the way those two have at any age. Youth is no excuse for nastiness.

[Martena]

Becky isnt even on the same scale as Caroline; Caroline is ten times worse

[jogur]

Caroline is a pathological liar. I really don't think she can help herself. She removed herself from the group when Becky started the bitching again, but did nothing to stop it or to display any dissatisfaction at the bitching. Becky is just an insecure spiteful little girl. (And not so little)