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Old 26-10-2012, 10:25
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I dont know...i mean Stateside were quite bashing but at the same point both Erotica and Bedtime Stories did sell a fair bit...similar amounts over the 3million mark actually...but it is true Take A Bow was a surprise massive hit over the Winter of 94 there and showcased a lot of areas back then of course...but Madonna is a survivor....but lets not focus on what ifs...Madonna would have made it no matter what
I don't mean to be rude Josh so I am sorry if this sounds it but you're 20 right? if so its impossible for you to really understand how bad things were for Madonna in 1994. Her image was that of ridicule and jokes. She still sold well because of her huge loyal fanbase but her reputation was on the floor, also Erotica's and Bedtime Stories sales were way below her usual standard despite Erotica actually getting good reviews from critics. She also had several box office flops at the same time. Madonna was in a really bad place. Its difficult to explain what it was like for her unless you lived it. She was enemy number 1. As also was Micheal Jackson due to the child abuse claims. Both the King and Queen had massive falls from grace at the same time. The press built them up and then did their very best to destory them. Take A Bow was the turning point for Madonna in America and put her back on the right track. Without that song its really hard to see where she would have went. Michael on the otherhand never really recovered despite History being a big seller. Madonna's real comeback was sealed with Ray Of Light though which blew everyone away. You couldn't touch Madonna in 1998. It was her second career peak after that of True Blue's success in 1986.

All that said though, the 1990 to 1995 era is my favourite ever because that was Madonna at her most creative. The backlash made her a stronger artist and the fact she came back from it makes her a real legend.
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Old 26-10-2012, 10:40
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Had Evita not come along when it did and had ROL not being as good as it was Madonna wouldn't be here now I don't think. She was despised and ridiculed at the time and had she not grown up with Evita and ROL then I think people would have given up on her. Fortunately she managed to turn it around and hit another peak between 1998-2005. I do think she's lost her way again a bit now and maybe that's because she's mostly occupied with her family but I have every confidence she can turn things around again. I think she needs a more mature sound and stop singing shallow stuff. I think people are crying out for a more mature sound with more ballads and mid tempo songs
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Old 26-10-2012, 10:44
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The place Madonna is at now does sort of remind me of the early 90s again although she isn't as creative as she was then but the ridicule is still there, although not as bad as it was back then desptie the endless ageism stuff.

Its a shame Madonna does seem to be alienating sections of her fanbase. It seems her past two albums have just been more of having a backdrop for a tour rather than being music for musics sake.

Its a big shame she matured with songs like Frozen, Don't Tell Me etc and then reverted to meaningless generic junk like Girl Gone Wild. Its all so strange. So you can see why many fans are concerned.
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:18
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The place Madonna is at now does sort of remind me of the early 90s again although she isn't as creative as she was then but the ridicule is still there, although not as bad as it was back then desptie the endless ageism stuff.

Its a shame Madonna does seem to be alienating sections of her fanbase. It seems her past two albums have just been more of having a backdrop for a tour rather than being music for musics sake.

Its a big shame she matured with songs like Frozen, Don't Tell Me etc and then reverted to meaningless generic junk like Girl Gone Wild. Its all so strange. So you can see why many fans are concerned.
After hearing Love Spent, Falling Free, Masterpiece and Beautiful Killer it's convinced me she's still capable of a mature sound and still capable of a killer album. She needs to realise she doesn't have to compete with the pop starlets out nowadays, she's done all that for decades and won and she has her legacy.
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:35
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After hearing Love Spent, Falling Free, Masterpiece and Beautiful Killer it's convinced me she's still capable of a mature sound and still capable of a killer album. She needs to realise she doesn't have to compete with the pop starlets out nowadays, she's done all that for decades and won and she has her legacy.
Agree with every word.
I hope she opts for a more mature sound like: "Falling Free" and "I Want You" on her next album. As much as I would kill for her to work with Pat Leonard again, we all know she won't.
Didn't they fall out at some point? I'd love to know what happened there.
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:36
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The place Madonna is at now does sort of remind me of the early 90s again although she isn't as creative as she was then but the ridicule is still there, although not as bad as it was back then desptie the endless ageism stuff.

Its a shame Madonna does seem to be alienating sections of her fanbase. It seems her past two albums have just been more of having a backdrop for a tour rather than being music for musics sake.

Its a big shame she matured with songs like Frozen, Don't Tell Me etc and then reverted to meaningless generic junk like Girl Gone Wild. Its all so strange. So you can see why many fans are concerned.
Not every fan feels this way. I think her current tour is her best ever. Yes, maybe the recorded stuff has taken a back seat but that's not the nature of the music business today. Records don't sell like they used to. Madonna has always had a mix of fun what you call meaningless dance songs and more mature stuff. You can find what you might consider "generic junk" on her older records too. I like the balance. I wouldn't want her to start taking herself so seriously and feel she can't have fun, laugh or dance anymore. I think she's doing great. She's older and she's never going to have the success as she used to. But the most important thing is she's still releasing records and doing tours. So many artists her age aren't and their fans get nothing. Us Madonna fans are so lucky and we don't even realize it most of the time.
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:40
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Agree with every word.
I hope she opts for a more mature sound like: "Falling Free" and "I Want You" on her next album. As much as I would kill for her to work with Pat Leonard again, we all know she won't.
Didn't they fall out at some point? I'd love to know what happened there.
I love both of those songs. But a whole album of that would be too much and too heavy. I think she needs to keep the balance between dance, midtempo and ballads on her next albums. It makes me sad people want to take away her spirit and sense of fun and make her all "mature". Let the woman live and enjoy herself. Don't you want to dance sometimes?
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Agree with every word.
I hope she opts for a more mature sound like: "Falling Free" and "I Want You" on her next album. As much as I would kill for her to work with Pat Leonard again, we all know she won't.
Didn't they fall out at some point? I'd love to know what happened there.
I don't think they ever fell out, I just think Madonna outgrew Pat. They were going to work together on ROL until Madonna met Orbit and there's the copy of the letter she wrote to Pat on the internet somewhere where she explains why she wasn't going to continue working with him. Neither of them has ever said anything bad about the other. Her and Pat just have a magic touch and I'd love them to get back together but I just can't see it. She wants to work with youngsters nowadays in search of the latest modern sound but that doesn't always work out
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:42
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I love both of those songs. But a whole album of that would be too much and too heavy. I think she needs to keep the balance between dance, midtempo and ballads on her next albums. It makes me sad people want to take away her spirit and sense of fun and make her all "mature". Let the woman live and enjoy herself. Don't you want to dance sometimes?
When I say mature I mean something like ROL/LAP. I don't think it suits her to sing songs like GGW, GMAYL and Superstar at her age
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:52
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When I say mature I mean something like ROL/LAP. I don't think it suits her to sing songs like GGW, GMAYL and Superstar at her age
Why do you always have to bring age into it? If you don't like fun fluffy pop music, then fine. But then how can you like Madonna anyway? That's a part of who she is, not all of it, but a part. I like some fun fluffy pop stuff along with the more serious stuff too. I hate this whole idea age has to stop you from doing certain kinds of music.
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Old 26-10-2012, 11:56
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Why do you always have to bring age into it? If you don't like fun fluffy pop music, then fine. But then how can you like Madonna anyway? That's a part of who she is, not all of it, but a part. I like some fun fluffy pop stuff along with the more serious stuff too. I hate this whole idea age has to stop you from doing certain kinds of music.
Because I want her to go back to telling a story through her songs. I want to hear what she has to think and she's led an extraordinary life and has many tales to tell. I don't want her getting songs from trendy producers which have mo meaning and have been offered to Chris Brown, Britney and Bieber and I'm not sure it's your place to decide whether I'm a proper Madonna fan or not. Considering I spent nearly £500 on her this year I think I can safely say I am but I don't have to love everything she does
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Old 26-10-2012, 12:01
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Because I want her to go back to telling a story through her songs. I want to hear what she has to think and she's led an extraordinary life and has many tales to tell. I don't want her getting songs from trendy producers which have mo meaning and have been offered to Chris Brown, Britney and Bieber and I'm not sure it's your place to decide whether I'm a proper Madonna fan or not. Considering I spent nearly £500 on her this year I think I can safely say I am but I don't have to love everything she does
Completely this. Her lyrics used to mean something and told stories about what she had been through. The closest thing to that on MDNA is Love Spent. The rest not so much. I prefer personal Madonna. Not generic Madonna. And to be fair generic Madonna has only happened on MDNA. Hard Candy for all its one of my least faves isn't that bad.
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Old 26-10-2012, 14:08
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MDNA i feel is just a massive collage of her elgacy to this point....you know?? i mean you have your more contemporary dance songs like WIld, Turn Up The Radio, Superstar, Luvin too...you have Urban sounds and of course collabs with MIA and Minaj and Solveig brought in plus a reunion with Orbit and Bennassi and Demo Crew were among the new meat.

I feel still MDNA is a solid record where its high points stand practically alongside her best and low points still pretty decent.

And yes Hit Em Up, i havent been there or lived through it and thats where it helps when fans like you really shout out about how perhaps it was from a perspective....but we all know Madonna has fight and flame in her to transform

Also i feel MDNA really is an echo back to her first 3 albums in terms of fun and a layer of soulful depth in there...mainly about her divorce from Ritchie and adapting to contemporary surroundings, it is pretty fascinating if not heavily conceptualised and reinvented like we are all used to it is still a really solid great Pop album way ahead of her contemporaries and many in Pop today anyhow

But like we kinda discussed earlier...well me and gigi are kinda on a par anyway with thoughts...but this level between Dream Pop, Dance, Mid-Tempo kinda evocative story telling and amassive reinvention is where to take it next i truly feel.

I mean it will be her one big album for this decade and we all know she can do it...look at the world tour, its massive! So innovative! Her music and imagery in reinvention can still be too...we are just in anticipation for it .

But yes i mean like i said too earlier...i feel from 2008 to now we are seeing a different transitional period for Madonna like we had on Bedtime Stories...very contemporary sounds, very neutral, very "safe" with elements of complexity and depth and a light shining onto the next stage.

My all time favourite era of Madonna has to be 1989 - 1993...i mean Like A Prayer...my fave album ever and the hysteria around it and the songs and visuals, the BA Tour, Im Breathless, Dick Tracey, TIC, Erotica, League Of Their Own, SEX Book, girlie show.....just one touch of genius and masterstroke after the next Followed that with 1998 - 2007 Ray Of Light, Music, MSN Live Music Festival, Drowned World Tour, American Life, RIT, VMAs 2003, Confessions album, tour, Coachella, Live 8, Live Earth.....Madonna on a top streak for almost a decade! And all of a sudden we have this kinda neutral area for 5 years to date...i feel though what with Pussy Riot, American Politics, Euro Politics, The Media, Her own personal journey is gonna really transpire and inspire into album 13...let us wath this space....
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Old 26-10-2012, 14:10
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AL i have to post this here...from STandByMe89 on the thred on the main forums her 1991 speach about AmFAR and her imapct and these A-Listers giving her all the support possible....it really showcases that power of Like A Prayer and the power of Madonna and a true streak of fight and determination and passion possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoikYVj5V6M

It is simply just vile the way the media to blacklist her at times....but unfortunately it is the unhealthy state of affairs we exist in....bring it on
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Old 26-10-2012, 14:18
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Found this Ray Of Light interview from Much Music in Toronto as part of ehr Ray Of Light campaign...it is fascinating how she does describe the record and the transitional journey...its like she is doing that again as we see her on the MDNA world tour...14 years on....incredible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWzd_...feature=relmfu
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Old 26-10-2012, 14:34
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And speaking of interviews...i have not seen this Harry Smith interview from April!

Basically i think it clarifies a lot about what we are hot on now...the fact MDNA really does show this neutral area an that she did exorcise a lot of demons on the album to stem out into the tour....brilliant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Fuh...ure=watch-vrec
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Old 26-10-2012, 17:23
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I don't understand why people say there's nothing to the lyrics on MDNA. There's a lot on there about her divorce. I think the lyrics on MDNA are much more personal than on Hard Candy.
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Old 26-10-2012, 17:42
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totally i do prefer MDNA to HC because of that exorcising layer the album has

anyway another clip of Ellen

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Old 26-10-2012, 22:30
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I love both of those songs. But a whole album of that would be too much and too heavy. I think she needs to keep the balance between dance, midtempo and ballads on her next albums. It makes me sad people want to take away her spirit and sense of fun and make her all "mature". Let the woman live and enjoy herself. Don't you want to dance sometimes?
I don't think anyone is trying to take Madonna's 'spirit' away!

I love to dance but I love hearing Madonna sing ballads because her voice fits them so well.

She can be mature and still dance and be fun surely? This is Madonna after all!
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Old 26-10-2012, 22:56
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Just finished watching Derren Brown....adore that man!! i mean there is magic but there is Magic! you know...would hate to be in that poor lads shoes....part 2 next week! anyone seen it?

Anyways New Orleans is geddin ready for MDNA action

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...37121859_n.jpg

and this is another favourite of mine for the album covers/single covers/images used as faces/images in everyday situations.....very errotic

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...50441211_n.jpg

And about Madonna and Dance....this is the marriage that is never going to end in divorce...Madonna has cornered all areas of Dance and i hope continues to do so in inventive ways...MDNA is a real mixture of Dance styles in a different way perhaps to what we know she has done before.....I mean she has done areas better before and in some areas of the album is never better....but like i say and most of us have said its very much a neutral ground album...but for "neutral" it is intense in areas and dark and melancholic

Anyways its the WEEKEND we have all made it through a bitter week and tomorrow im gonna have a real Autumnul clean up of my room and blast Confessions On A Dance Floor in full...craaankin up

"Angels call your name, can you hear what they are saying?"
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Old 26-10-2012, 23:39
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so surprised that some people prefer HC to MDNA...?

I do like the disco elements of HC (Beat Goes On, Dance2Nite, Give it 2 Me), the hiphop experiment (4 Mins; Candy SHop) and the rnb pop (Devil; Heartbeat, She`s Not Me)....but the vocals are lacking treatment and are a little too raw and upfront in the mix.... and they grate in places...and the album ending is terrible ...Spanish Lesson - Devil - Voices (both Spanish Lesson and Voices should never have been included on an album! Especially when ...we have heard so many great unreleased tracks!)
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Old 26-10-2012, 23:42
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Beat Goes On, 4 Mins, Devil, Heartbeat should have been the single releases from HC
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Old 26-10-2012, 23:46
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*heartbeat or Give it2Me
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Old 26-10-2012, 23:51
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American Life really was the album that flatlined in America wasnt it? It must have been like - our princess has turned on us?
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Old 27-10-2012, 00:22
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YEEEEEH MADONNA!!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...-all-time.html

almost 18million single sales in the UK..top top top!

Not surprised by RIhannas stats....how many songs has she had out the past few years? still 7 million between them.

Albums sales will be interesting to see however DS should post them soon i reckon!
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