[5Captains]

Originally Posted by JamieHT

I wonder if ITV told ALW to put him through and now it's all gone wrong.

I don't really watch a lot of reality shows but think they would like having a lot of personalities there as it adds drama and therefore boosts ratings and viewers.

ITV may have got it really wrong by telling ALW, that the public would not like him and vote him off but it has backfired.

I don't think the stories are untrue but maybe blown out of proportion, because they would not want to face a liable case. So maybe he did upset a production staff member but not made them cry and he may have had hair extensions at one time but not his whole head..etc...
But as someone said where there is smoke..etc...

I think in entertainment you have to be thick skinned and really play to everyone's tune to stay. It is a small industry and any bad publicity can make or break you. Someone mentioned in an earlier post that Danyl?? Was also badly slated and his career is not doing well, I think even if Nathan wins he will have a really hard time.

[Tidgy_widge]

Originally Posted by PinkPetunia

I would be very dissapointed if it a set up by the production , But equally you have no evidence that it didnt happen .

And we'll probably never find out, but by then the damage will have been done and they will move on to the next. If 'facts' are to be reported then 'sources' should reveal their names. It wouldn't reflect badly on the production member if it was true as they would only be speaking the truth. I happen to think they don't want him to win and are trying to stitch him up. I think things should be proven to have happened before they are reported on.

[YoungAtHeart]

Originally Posted by 5Captains

I don't really watch a lot of reality shows but think they would like having a lot of personalities there as it adds drama and therefore boosts ratings and viewers.

ITV may have got it really wrong by telling ALW, that the public would not like him and vote him off but it has backfired.

I don't think the stories are untrue but maybe blown out of proportion, because they would not want to face a liable case. So maybe he did upset a production staff member but not made them cry and he may have had hair extensions at one time but not his whole head..etc...
But as someone said where there is smoke..etc...

I think in entertainment you have to be thick skinned and really play to everyone's tune to stay. It is a small industry and any bad publicity can make or break you. Someone mentioned in an earlier post that Danyl?? Was also badly slated and his career is not doing well, I think even if Nathan wins he will have a really hard time.

I have seen someone's career ruined by false rumours. He went to court but it didn't make any difference. The mud stuck.

Therefore I hate the expression "There is no smoke without fire...."

Sometimes there is no fire and just a lot of smoke...

[barrcode88]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Charles

What do you mean by this?

Is The Sun not one of Britain's largest selling national papers?

The Sun does not sell that many, sure its the largest but you are only talking 2-3 million, plus Murdoch has quit his directorship of all of his papers here because the industry is dying on its arse.

[The Swampster]

Gee, who'd have thought these anonymous ITV staffers would be so terribly thin skinned? And is it just a coincidence he's also the one ALW obviously doesn't want? Might actually have to spend money voting for him today or we'll be stuck watching Mr Bean in a loincloth come September.

[Charlie_Charles]

Originally Posted by barrcode88

The Sun does not sell that many, sure its the largest but you are only talking 2-3 million, plus Murdoch has quit his directorship of all of his papers here because the industry is dying on its arse.

True but it is the number 1 selling newspaper in this country followed by The Mail.

That is just the paper version, the online version of both papers do very well too

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by PinkPetunia

I would be very dissapointed if it a set up by the production , But equally you have no evidence that it didnt happen .

Production will have released this to the press (probably blown out of all proportion). It is the standard modus-operandi of the ITV reality tv shows. It's all about controversy getting folks to watch to see what it is all about & try & influence the voting. It stinks.

This country has a major problem - intelligence/talent coupled with confidence is automatically viewed as arrogance. Not sure when this happened but seems to have really taken hold since 2000. These talent shows are part of the problem - good & nice is pushed as the optimum. Add on top of that being 'middle class' on talent shows (particularly ITV) is pretty hopeless. You have to be working class with a good background story. I want talent - couldn't care less about who the performer is. X-Factor in particular has shown good & nice is not enough to be sustainable in the music/entertainment industry. It's a tough old world & self-belief is critical.

[David James]

You can tell from the judges comments that there is a real issue with Nathan and his personality. Yes, the comments are in code but it's not that difficult to decode.

[Button62]

Originally Posted by Nosnikrapl

Production will have released this to the press (probably blown out of all proportion). It is the standard modus-operandi of the ITV reality tv shows. It's all about controversy getting folks to watch to see what it is all about & try & influence the voting. It stinks.

This country has a major problem - intelligence/talent coupled with confidence is automatically viewed as arrogance. Not sure when this happened but seems to have really taken hold since 2000. These talent shows are part of the problem - good & nice is pushed as the optimum. Add on top of that being 'middle class' on talent shows (particularly ITV) is pretty hopeless. You have to be working class with a good background story. I want talent - couldn't care less about who the performer is. X-Factor in particular has shown good & nice is not enough to be sustainable in the music/entertainment industry. It's a tough old world & self-belief is critical.

Well said

The public criticism of some contestants on JCS has been uncomfortable viewing for me. Arrogance, ego, baby Jesus, cabaret singer, Butlins etc has all been unnecessary. Let us choose who we think is best

Although to be fair there's no back story full of sobs being aired on this show a la X Factor.

Blimey, I even remember when Big Brother was seen as a social experiment with interesting people to watch. Unlike the bunch of social misfits they seem to choose these days.

[emily66]

Originally Posted by Button62

Well said

The public criticism of some contestants on JCS has been uncomfortable viewing for me. Arrogance, ego, baby Jesus, cabaret singer, Butlins etc has all been unnecessary. Let us choose who we think is best

Although to be fair there's no back story full of sobs being aired on this show a la X Factor.

Blimey, I even remember when Big Brother was seen as a social experiment with interesting people to watch. Unlike the bunch of social misfits they seem to choose these days.

BB has turned from a reality show into a gameshow it's not a change for the better.

Agree about sob stories. I want to judge on talent not personality.

[vald]

Originally Posted by David James

You can tell from the judges comments that there is a real issue with Nathan and his personality. Yes, the comments are in code but it's not that difficult to decode.

If they have a problem with a contestant on a personal issue then it should be sorted out off screne and not aired in front of the viewers.
I want to hear their comments on the performance and nothing else. What they did was childish IMO and leads me to believe that ALW has an agenda to get rid of him and the rest went along with him.

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by vald

If they have a problem with a contestant on a personal issue then it should be sorted out off screne and not aired in front of the viewers.
I want to hear their comments on the performance and nothing else. What they did was childish IMO and leads me to believe that ALW has an agenda to get rid of him and the rest went along with him.

Spot on. All this attitude stuff paraded for the viewers to talk/bitch about it getting out of hand. You only get to see/hear what the producers want to let you know & cannot be taken as a true indication of a individuals personality. Anyway - some of the top stars worldwide are divas. As I said 'nice' does not suceed in tough old entertainment/music industry. Classic being Leona Lewis. Definitely talented (if not my cup of tea) but without X-Factor machine/SC doing all the 'arrogant' pushing where has she been? Getting lost being nice to everyone!!

[Tidgy_widge]

Originally Posted by vald

If they have a problem with a contestant on a personal issue then it should be sorted out off screne and not aired in front of the viewers.
I want to hear their comments on the performance and nothing else. What they did was childish IMO and leads me to believe that ALW has an agenda to get rid of him and the rest went along with him.

I agree with this.

[diamond1]

he came across as full of himsef on The Voice too so who knows?

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by diamond1

he came across as full of himsef on The Voice too so who knows?

Does he have the talent to fulfill the role should be the question? OK - if he or anyone is confident (or full of themselves as you put it) it isn't automatically a massive negative or at least it shouldn't be for the entertainment/music industry.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by Nosnikrapl

Does he have the talent to fulfill the role should be the question? OK - if he or anyone is confident (or full of themselves as you put it) it isn't automatically a massive negative or at least it shouldn't be for the entertainment/music industry.

in an big ensemble touring production, there's no room for egos ........ the ability to get on with the cast and production crew is important (as well as having the talent) .... it's not a solo project

[duncann]

I'm sure this is made up. They are just painting him as a diva. I don't think it harms Nathan at all, I'm sure most of his fans don't read the Sun or believe it. At least Nathan is getting publicity, he has a personality, all the others are getting totally ignored!

[JamieHT]

Originally Posted by diamond1

in an big ensemble touring production, there's no room for egos ........ the ability to get on with the cast and production crew is important (as well as having the talent) .... it's not a solo project

Quite right. Also to answer another poster, his voice might be good but he has yet to show any acting ability.

[barrcode88]

Originally Posted by JamieHT

Quite right. Also to answer another poster, his voice might be good but he has yet to show any acting ability.

http://www.thrillerlive.com/show/cas.../nathan-james/ - good enough for me.

[emily66]

Originally Posted by JamieHT

Quite right. Also to answer another poster, his voice might be good but he has yet to show any acting ability.

They need to do a proper acting challenge not one contestant has shown any acting ability so far.

[diamond1]

Originally Posted by barrcode88

http://www.thrillerlive.com/show/cas.../nathan-james/ - good enough for me.

have you actually seen THRILLER LIVE?

It's a concert format not a musical theatre production that requires any acting ability ......... it's just singing and dancing (by some)

ie

It's not a show, or a musical, it's a concert. But as a concert it's very good theatre, a total blast in fact, and a salutary reminder that Michael Jackson's music is an important segment in the sequence from blues, jazz and Motown to rap and disco. It's the history of modern pop music, and it's the music the modern musical theatre forgot about.

[emily66]

Originally Posted by diamond1

have you actually seen THRILLER LIVE?

It's a concert format not a musical theatre productoin that requires any acting ability

If you go on the links gallery there several pics of Ben and one of Roger but none of Nathan. I'm not sure how you can tell someones acting ability from pictures though.

[barrcode88]

Originally Posted by diamond1

have you actually seen THRILLER LIVE?

It's a concert format not a musical theatre production that requires any acting ability ......... it's just singing and dancing (by some)

ie

He was in Route 66 as well which is musical theatre, and if ALW requires acting ability then he should of clearly stated, anyway Nathan got through amusingly named 'Superstar Island' acting classes, so why put him through 'if he can't act'? - Ridiculous, he's the only one with the vocal ability for Gethsemane, the others don't have that.

[johartuk]

Originally Posted by diamond1

in an big ensemble touring production, there's no room for egos ........ the ability to get on with the cast and production crew is important (as well as having the talent) .... it's not a solo project

Nathan's attitdue didn't seem to bother ALW/the judges at the audition stages. They had many opportunities to get rid, but they chose to put him through stage after stage. They can't do that then whinge about his attitude when he's in the live shows.

[Button62]

Originally Posted by johartuk

Nathan's attitdue didn't seem to bother ALW/the judges at the audition stages. They had many opportunities to get rid, but they chose to put him through stage after stage. They can't do that then whinge about his attitude when he's in the live shows.

I am beginning to think that he's the real golden boy

Looks like he's up first tonight, so plenty of time to catch the floating voters.