[Sullymo]

Susie 4964 Your turn of phrase is rather strange. How can I get my life in proportion?
I have written my thoughts as I see them and then told to get "my life in proportion"
What exactly do you mean? should I sit sadly at my computer and log up thousands of posts as you obviously do.Or shall I do other activiites, which you know nothing about .
I could be one of the greatest philanthropists ever known . Maybe I travel the world with Bill Gates seeking a cure for Malaria. My knowledge may be that of a genius. I could have discovered some cure in the past for a disease that was killing many. Yet you chooses to tell me to get my life in proportion? because i) I do not agree that Nathan should have been saved and ii) disgree with the PERSONAL abuse directed at contestants and ALW.

[SofaRosa]

Originally Posted by DiamondDoll

Incorrect.

I have never mentioned it before and only did so above because I found it so distasteful.

If that's correct in that case, I apologise-it must have been another FM.

My other comments still stand.

[Button62]

Just read this on an old news item elsewhere :

Lord Lloyd-Webber said: “We’re looking for a rock tenor with talent and charisma to carry the role.”

Shame you hounded the only one you had out of the show then !!

[sarah_jane39]

Just want to add my thoughts before i give up on the show. I am one of the tweeters that has been following Nathans tweetfest over the last week. Although i didnt agree with the youtube video and tweeted him so i dont think he did much wrong otherwise. He was like a lion who had been driven in to a corner over the last week and the only defence he had was to tweet his confusion/upset and anger on twitter. The worst he did was canvas for votes, and to be honest who could blme him with the comments he was getting every night. We live in the age of twitter and for people Nathans age it has become 2nd nature to do it without even thinking of the consequences. I know other reality shows have twitter etiquette sessions to make sure they know the do's and donts. Rather than come across as cocky on twitter he seemed totally and utterly insecure about himself and his position on the show therefore he turned to the only people that have been giving him unconditional support and thats the people on twitter who had been voting for him in their droves.

To me (though being a Psychologist i do look into things a lot lol) Nathan came across at times as a an insecure young man desperately trying to please people he looked up to rather like a child trying to please a parent and when he couldnt do that then his hurt was obvious. Ive no doubt his believed in himself a lot, and may be a bit full of himself and yes thats something he has to knock out of him (or act as someone says) but the way to do it is not destroy him on national TV its to do it behind the scenes.

Lets not forget this is not the first time this series, the comments to Jon about his background and his performance were also uncalled for and i wanted to hug him on his final night as well. I am not easily shocked, i thought id seen it all but this really did shock me. I watch these shows to be thoroughly entertained and its nice to get invested in a contestant and watch them grow throughout the show but i found that really uncomfortable viewing. Nathans comments must have given him whiplash they were so extreme at either end!!

I dont find seeing a man be destroyed on TV a pleasant experience and i give Nathan credit for not losing his cool, and he was totally humble on TV this morning. Ive not seen one tweet/message from people who have worked with him before (and hes done a lot of stuff in theatre/Tv world) say anything bad about him so its obvious hes not that bad to work with. For those who say he deserved it? this is not just this show we are on about its his whole career!! We dont know the facts so unless ALW was prepared to tell us what was going on behind the scenes then he has no right to do what he did last night. Oh and finally, he got it wrong about the picture, but then i guess someone has already said that

Rant over, i hope Ben wins as hes the one who was close to Nathan and to me i dont care about the rest now

[mrsgrumpy49]

Originally Posted by sarah_jane39

JWe dont know the facts so unless ALW was prepared to tell us what was going on behind the scenes then he has no right to do what he did last night. Oh and finally, he got it wrong about the picture, but then i guess someone has already said that

I agree with everything you say except I would add that whatever went on behind the scenes, ALW was still out of order. He was out of order and out of control.

[Button62]

Nicely put sarah_jane.

Regardless of whether Nathan was my favourite or not and no matter what was going on behind the scenes, no one should be publicly humiliated like that on live TV.

I was thinking about the auditions earlier, when ALW banged his fists on the table and folded his arms with a hissy fit because someone had rearranged one of his compositions. I think the diva has some control issues to say the least.

I bet there will be tumbleweed in this forum tonight, interestingly the new day's discussion thread is usually up by now.

[SofaRosa]

Originally Posted by sarah_jane39

Just want to add my thoughts before i give up on the show. I am one of the tweeters that has been following Nathans tweetfest over the last week. Although i didnt agree with the youtube video and tweeted him so i dont think he did much wrong otherwise. He was like a lion who had been driven in to a corner over the last week and the only defence he had was to tweet his confusion/upset and anger on twitter. The worst he did was canvas for votes, and to be honest who could blme him with the comments he was getting every night. We live in the age of twitter and for people Nathans age it has become 2nd nature to do it without even thinking of the consequences. I know other reality shows have twitter etiquette sessions to make sure they know the do's and donts. Rather than come across as cocky on twitter he seemed totally and utterly insecure about himself and his position on the show therefore he turned to the only people that have been giving him unconditional support and thats the people on twitter who had been voting for him in their droves.

To me (though being a Psychologist i do look into things a lot lol) Nathan came across at times as a an insecure young man desperately trying to please people he looked up to rather like a child trying to please a parent and when he couldnt do that then his hurt was obvious. Ive no doubt his believed in himself a lot, and may be a bit full of himself and yes thats something he has to knock out of him (or act as someone says) but the way to do it is not destroy him on national TV its to do it behind the scenes.

Lets not forget this is not the first time this series, the comments to Jon about his background and his performance were also uncalled for and i wanted to hug him on his final night as well. I am not easily shocked, i thought id seen it all but this really did shock me. I watch these shows to be thoroughly entertained and its nice to get invested in a contestant and watch them grow throughout the show but i found that really uncomfortable viewing. Nathans comments must have given him whiplash they were so extreme at either end!!

I dont find seeing a man be destroyed on TV a pleasant experience and i give Nathan credit for not losing his cool, and he was totally humble on TV this morning. Ive not seen one tweet/message from people who have worked with him before (and hes done a lot of stuff in theatre/Tv world) say anything bad about him so its obvious hes not that bad to work with. For those who say he deserved it? this is not just this show we are on about its his whole career!! We dont know the facts so unless ALW was prepared to tell us what was going on behind the scenes then he has no right to do what he did last night. Oh and finally, he got it wrong about the picture, but then i guess someone has already said that

Rant over, i hope Ben wins as hes the one who was close to Nathan and to me i dont care about the rest now

*claps*

Another excellent post-thank you, very well put!

[5Captains]

Originally Posted by Button62

Nicely put sarah_jane.

Regardless of whether Nathan was my favourite or not and no matter what was going on behind the scenes, no one should be publicly humiliated like that on live TV.

I was thinking about the auditions earlier, when ALW banged his fists on the table and folded his arms with a hissy fit because someone had rearranged one of his compositions. I think the diva has some control issues to say the least.

I bet there will be tumbleweed in this forum tonight, interestingly the new day's discussion thread is usually up by now.

That would be because this forum is full of Nathan fans and now he's out of the show..not much to talk about....

[Stockingfiller]

Would ALW's behaviour live on air have been aceptable if it had been directed at any of the others ? No. It's not, all about Nathan being out of the show. It's also about the integrity of the show.

[SofaRosa]

Originally Posted by Button62

Nicely put sarah_jane.

Regardless of whether Nathan was my favourite or not and no matter what was going on behind the scenes, no one should be publicly humiliated like that on live TV.

I was thinking about the auditions earlier, when ALW banged his fists on the table and folded his arms with a hissy fit because someone had rearranged one of his compositions. I think the diva has some control issues to say the least.

I bet there will be tumbleweed in this forum tonight, interestingly the new day's discussion thread is usually up by now.

When I started the thread yesterday, someone made a bit of a sarky comment which i took in jest-but having seen the rest of their posts-now realise despite the smilies- was intentional.
I think us Nathanites showed dedication on here-if Nathan wasn't in the show-I doubt there'd be more than a couple of threads!

[SofaRosa]

Originally Posted by Stockingfiller

Would ALW's behaviour live on air have been aceptable if it had been directed at any of the others ? No. It's not, all about Nathan being out of the show. It's also about the integrity of the show.

I agree- I also wonder about the legal side of things. From Ofcom:
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2.13 Broadcast competitions and voting must be conducted fairly.
2.14 Broadcasters must ensure that viewers and listeners are not materially misled about any broadcast competition or voting.
2.15 Broadcasters must draw up rules for a broadcast competition or vote. These rules must be clear and appropriately made known. In particular, significant conditions that may affect a viewer's or listener's decision to participate must be stated at the time an invitation to participate is broadcast.
2.16 Broadcast competition prizes must be described accurately.
(See also Rule 1.30 in Section One: Protecting the Under-Eighteens, which concerns the provision of appropriate prizes for children.)
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Am wondering about the voting changes: the fact the contestants numbers changed every night (why not have the same number throughout the show-less confusing for some);
The fact that the panel-in particular ALW-had seemingly made his mind up about Nathan way back;trying to influence the public and the panel against him; Nathans' number not being shown correctly; when Amanda fluffed contestants' numbers-at least twice; The public vote counting for nothing in the end...hmmm..Oh and ALW's behaviour last night-surely there is a standard for not abusing someone like that (and also accusing him of something N didnt actually do himself-leading the public to perhaps believe ALW)
At the very least, ALW should publicly announce an apology to Nathan.........

[emma555]

For the last time, there was NO issue with Nathan's number.

Here it is, clear as day at 5:45.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AM0z8zivXQ&feature=plcp

Oh wow, actually in the next second, it changes back to 10 instead of 07, so you're right!!! Sorry.

No, hang on, I revert back to my original statement. Exactly the same here for Jeff from 5:39:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR_ft...feature=relmfu

So yeah, the number thing isn't true.

[Stockingfiller]

Originally Posted by SofaRosa

I agree- I also wonder about the legal side of things. From Ofcom:
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2.13 Broadcast competitions and voting must be conducted fairly.
2.14 Broadcasters must ensure that viewers and listeners are not materially misled about any broadcast competition or voting.
2.15 Broadcasters must draw up rules for a broadcast competition or vote. These rules must be clear and appropriately made known. In particular, significant conditions that may affect a viewer's or listener's decision to participate must be stated at the time an invitation to participate is broadcast.
2.16 Broadcast competition prizes must be described accurately.
(See also Rule 1.30 in Section One: Protecting the Under-Eighteens, which concerns the provision of appropriate prizes for children.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Am wondering about the voting changes: the fact the contestants numbers changed every night (why not have the same number throughout the show-less confusing for some);
The fact that the panel-in particular ALW-had seemingly made his mind up about Nathan way back;trying to influence the public and the panel against him; Nathans' number not being shown correctly; when Amanda fluffed contestants' numbers-at least twice; The public vote counting for nothing in the end...hmmm..Oh and ALW's behaviour last night-surely there is a standard for not abusing someone like that (and also accusing him of something N didnt actually do himself-leading the public to perhaps believe ALW)
At the very least, ALW should publicly announce an apology to Nathan.........

I'm wondering if ALW will say something to cover his back or, whether he'll assume that he doesn't need to bother.


Great information by the way- thank you. Very interesting !

[SofaRosa]

Originally Posted by emma555

For the last time, there was NO issue with Nathan's number.

Here it is, clear as day at 5:45.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AM0z8zivXQ&feature=plcp

Oh wow, actually in the next second, it changes back to 10 instead of 07, so you're right!!! Sorry.

No, hang on, I revert back to my original statement. Exactly the same here for Jeff from 5:39:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR_ft...feature=relmfu

So yeah, the number thing isn't true.

Thanks for posting that-except it is true!! Of course Jeff ended up in bottom 2-maybe people couldn't vote because the end numbers went awol?
Either way-these are serious errors that need addressing to the paying public.

[mrsgrumpy49]

Originally Posted by Stockingfiller

Would ALW's behaviour live on air have been aceptable if it had been directed at any of the others ? No. It's not, all about Nathan being out of the show. It's also about the integrity of the show.

Exactly. I'm not a 'Nathan fan' and I'm annoyed nonetheless.

[Charlie_Charles]

Originally Posted by Stockingfiller

Would ALW's behaviour live on air have been aceptable if it had been directed at any of the others ? No. It's not, all about Nathan being out of the show. It's also about the integrity of the show.

Yes it would be if they had acted in the same manner as Nathan.

Why would you pee off the guy who is trying to make you into a star?
That is all kinds of crazy

ALW does not need to apologise at all

[SofaRosa]

Originally Posted by Stockingfiller

I'm wondering if ALW will say something to cover his back or, whether he'll assume that he doesn't need to bother.


Great information by the way- thank you. Very interesting !

You're welcome! I may well pay Ofcom a phone/online visit I think!
Yes. I will be watching ALW with interest tonight!

[mrsgrumpy49]

Originally Posted by Stockingfiller

I'm wondering if ALW will say something to cover his back or, whether he'll assume that he doesn't need to bother.


Great information by the way- thank you. Very interesting !

Seconded by moi. Look - either Nathan was breaching some rules or he wasn't. If he was then kick him off the show if necessary (it's not as if it hasn't been done before).
Otherwise play fair and be seen to play fair. I'm afraid this whole thing has been skewed from the off.
Personally I think this was more about a generational/cultural difference as much as anything.

[mrsgrumpy49]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Charles

Yes it would be if they had acted in the same manner as Nathan.

Why would you pee off the guy who is trying to make you into a star?
That is all kinds of crazy

ALW does not need to apologise at all

I must have missed the bit where ALW was trying to make Nathan into a star? He was biased against him from the off. Whatever, ALWs rant was shockingly unprofessional. Plus he has been shown to have been incorrect in that little rant about the pic.
An apology is in order.

[Charlie_Charles]

Originally Posted by mrsgrumpy49

I must have missed the bit where ALW was trying to make Nathan into a star? He was biased against him from the off. Whatever, ALWs rant was shockingly unprofessional. Plus he has been shown to have been incorrect in that little rant about the pic.
An apology is in order.

Really you missed it?

Becasue I have just been watching and still am, a show where he is trying to shape hopefuls into Stars for his production.
Everyone is judged on both their strong and weak points.
What the judges needs for them to do is listen, pay attention and try and put what advice they have been given into practice.
I think some people on here are being a little dramatic, ALW was not unprofessional, I found him very restrained.
Hopefully, after the judging he had last night from ALW and Dawn he will hopefully think a little the next time and maybe be more of a team player

[Button62]

I wonder why Nathan has had Tweets from people like Yvie Burnett saying she loves him and will miss him ........ hmmmm, can't imagine that being said to someone who is allegedly a backstage pain in the ass.

[Nosnikrapl]

Originally Posted by Button62

I wonder why Nathan has had Tweets from people like Yvie Burnett saying she loves him and will miss him ........ hmmmm, can't imagine that being said to someone who is allegedly a backstage pain in the ass.

Spot on. I said on another thread it appears Jonathan Ansell was inundated with support from folks who have worked with him from across the industry. This is all so iffy.

[susie-4964]

Originally Posted by Sullymo

Susie 4964 Your turn of phrase is rather strange. How can I get my life in proportion?
I have written my thoughts as I see them and then told to get "my life in proportion"
What exactly do you mean? should I sit sadly at my computer and log up thousands of posts as you obviously do.Or shall I do other activiites, which you know nothing about .
I could be one of the greatest philanthropists ever known . Maybe I travel the world with Bill Gates seeking a cure for Malaria. My knowledge may be that of a genius. I could have discovered some cure in the past for a disease that was killing many. Yet you chooses to tell me to get my life in proportion? because i) I do not agree that Nathan should have been saved and ii) disgree with the PERSONAL abuse directed at contestants and ALW.

I think you have adequately answered my point.

[Charlie_Charles]

Originally Posted by Button62

I wonder why Nathan has had Tweets from people like Yvie Burnett saying she loves him and will miss him ........ hmmmm, can't imagine that being said to someone who is allegedly a backstage pain in the ass.

Mhhh!

Not sure,

Maybe she is a glutton for punishment????

[emma555]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Charles

Mhhh!

Not sure,

Maybe she is a glutton for punishment????

Or maybe he's actually not that bad? The fact that the crown of thorns pic was retweeted weeks ago and not yesterday, as Andrew led us to believe, speaks volumes.