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Indeed. A TV programme cannot be held to account for the supposed "downfall of society".
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It can sure help, though. The way you frame "TV programme" as if they can't affect anything is a prime example of such a dumbed down mentality.
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I was raised on Summertime Special - imagine Bernie Clifton on an ostrich, Shane Richie doing stand-up, Orville the Duck singing...........then talk about dumbing down in 2012... shows like TOWIE and BB do a lot more 'damage' if that is the right word...or do they reflect the youth of today?
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A lot of these silly shows of the past were knowingly silly and foolish.
X-Factor did sort of start out that way, but Mr Humourless (Cowell) seemed to take all of that away with his constant meddling. That is the theme with much of TV today, it's stupid and doesn't know it. |
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That is the theme with much of TV today, it's stupid and doesn't know it.
Its a bit of a sweeping statement and not one I feel holds up to scrutiny. |
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I think the problem with TV is that older people can't adapt to change. It's not likely to ever go back, no matter how much whinging you do. And just because you like stupidly highbrow documentaries on BBC Four (Secret Life of Motorways, anyone?) doesn't the mean the rest do or should do. And just because you watch crap on TV doesn't make you stupid, I know loads of intelligent people that watch TOWIE, and less intelligent people that watch documentaries, to claim your TV has a massive effect on your intelligence levels is wrong.
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The X Factor format isn't exactly new either. Nina Myskow was doing the same nasty judge act on New Faces in the 80s.
Where the Cowell formats have gone wrong is giving unrealistic expectations to young people and seem more exploitative. Yet, they're not responsible for the supposed dumbing down of society, that's much deeper and television is not to blame for this. |
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It can sure help, though. The way you frame "TV programme" as if they can't affect anything is a prime example of such a dumbed down mentality.
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The media is to blame. They realised Big Brother was finished long ago, why can't Murdoch and the Daily Fail realise the same is happening with X Factor. Promoting this kind of celebrity worship is just the kind of vile thing you expect of these clowns.
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But a TV programme can change society - ask anyone in Ireland in the glory days of the Late Late Show with Gay Byrne at the helm when it discussed previously-taboo subjects in a strongly Catholic Ireland and undoubtedly changed perceptions and what was acceptable in society.
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The media is to blame. They realised Big Brother was finished long ago, why can't Murdoch and the Daily Fail realise the same is happening with X Factor. Promoting this kind of celebrity worship is just the kind of vile thing you expect of these clowns.
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Celebrity Big Brother was second in the 21:00 slot yesterday beating ITV1, Channel 4 and BBC Two - although all four networks were below 2 million in that slot!
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X Factor is getting mentioned a bit today, but does anyone think ITV would have been better launching Red or Black this week, then X Factor next week?
They haven't really been able to market either very effectively, and R/B just hasn't been mentioned despite being an Ant and Dec programme. |
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Celebrity Big Brother was second in the 21:00 slot yesterday beating ITV1, Channel 4 and BBC Two - although all four networks were below 2 million in that slot!
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BBC One 20:00 - EastEnders: 7.36m (34.9%) 21:00 - EastEnders: 6.89m (31.7%) ITV1 19:00 - Emmerdale: 5.77m (32.3%), +1: 133k (0.6%) 19:30 - Coronation Street: 7.13m (36.4%), +1: 127k (0.6%) 20:30 - Coronation Street: 7.13m (32.7%), +1: 230k (1.1%) 21:00 - Corrie Goes To Kenya: 1.77m (8.4%), +1: 108k (0.6%) BBC Three 22:30 - EastEnders: 531k (3.3%) 23:00 - EastEnders: 715k (5.9%) Sounds like CBB did quite well then if it held up above 1.77m on a Friday against Eastenders. If it could stabilize here that would be alright. Terrible rating for that Corrie "spin-off" at 9pm. ITV1 have had two 9pm shows this week that came in well below 2million and both had Corrie lead-ins. I think Eastenders has probably done the bare minimum it needed to this week. The "big week" hasn't really paid off ratings wise although it has done a decent job in at least making sure the regular viewers returned after its BBC2 stint. The episodes themselves were reasonably decent so hopefully the reputation is on the rise now. Emmerdale and Corrie aren't in the strongest of health either right now. Not withstanding the normal autumn ratings bounce, Corrie has the return of Wednesday regular slot coming up and Emmerdale has its 40th anniversary live episode in October so they could be boosted then. |
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Sounds like CBB did quite well then if it held up above 1.77m on a Friday against Eastenders. If it could stabilize here that would be alright.
Terrible rating for that Corrie "spin-off" at 9pm. ITV1 have had two 9pm shows this week that came in well below 2million and both had Corrie lead-ins. I think Eastenders has probably done the bare minimum it needed to this week. The "big week" hasn't really paid off ratings wise although it has done a decent job in at least making sure the regular viewers returned after its BBC2 stint. The episodes themselves were reasonably decent so hopefully the reputation is on the rise now. Emmerdale and Corrie aren't in the strongest of health either right now. Not withstanding the normal autumn ratings bounce, Corrie has the return of Wednesday regular slot coming up and Emmerdale has its 40th anniversary live episode in October so they could be boosted then. As for X Factor exploiting the young I think exploiting the mentally ill during the early stages is the bigger issue myself. |
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The media is to blame. They realised Big Brother was finished long ago, why can't Murdoch and the Daily Fail realise the same is happening with X Factor. Promoting this kind of celebrity worship is just the kind of vile thing you expect of these clowns.
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![]() Wow - not only did the very heavily trailed spin off from ITV's most iconic show - the programme that defines the network - bomb in the most spectacular of fashion, it was trounced by the bitter enemy, EastEnders - and recorded one of the lowest flagship 9pm ratings in ITV's history! ![]() And to add to ITV's woes, it's a two parter! More of the same next week? ![]() Or will it get emergency bumped out of primetime - surely they have to think about it with those pathetic numbers? Quote:
Will the death today of one of the victim's parents force a re-schedule?
K What a remarkable coincidence 24 hours after the story broke about the supposed letter, itself part of Channel 4's publicity for the show. Will be very interesting to see if they pull it or not. I suspect the extra news coverage this weekend will make them want to stand fire from a ratings and PR perspective - but they need to do some hasty updating I imagine. |
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X Factor is getting mentioned a bit today, but does anyone think ITV would have been better launching Red or Black this week, then X Factor next week?
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As for X Factor exploiting the young I think exploiting the mentally ill during the early stages is the bigger issue myself.
Its not needed in the show imo, The Voice auditions were evidence enough of this. From the press launch thread tweets: Quote:
The bad. It includes a very upsetting manipulation of someone who seems very vulnerable. Compelling TV but maybe for the wrong reasons.
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I think XFactor will rate badly tonight because people are now even more fed up of all its manipulation than ever before after last years series got trounced by Strictly come dancing.
With The Voice I think there's a risk of the comparative first few episodes of X Factor being lower, although once we get past week 4 it should all be plain sailing (even if it starts dropping again it's unlikely to collapse quite so spectacularly). Quote:
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The Olympics really showed up how much of what is wrong with this country otherwise - things like X Factor as great examples. Can't wait for him to beat the Olympic figures ![]() ... Goes off to create formats for "The Next Mark Zuckerberg" and "Economic Mastermind". ... The X Factor is Saturday night TV. Doctors watch it. Students watch it. The unemployed watch it. Royalty watch it. Indeed, whole families watch it together. There is no social message to it beyond the old "having a dream" which comes up in all kinds of media (including all over The Olympics). They don't even promise success to the winners anymore and some winners serve as particularly good reminders of that. The successful contestants aren't making a fortune out of having 6 kids and claiming the benefits. Some of them are overnight success stories, but that is nothing new. Others have been plugging away for years (indeed, this is the case a lot more often than the show ever admits!). It's just entertainment. A bit like 99% of what is on TV, and I include the Olympics. Sure, some people will be inspired to get into the music industry or TV or whatever - if you still have a job at HMV, send a letter to ITV thanking them for putting on the Sunday results show! Likewise, some people might take up Badminton all of a sudden and give their local JJB Sports a lift for the week. But for the majority of the audience, it's escapism.
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The 'promo' for it is one of the most lazy pieces of shit I've ever seen. Even with such a failure on their hands as the first series, this show still comes across as very arrogant and entitled.
I think ROB will pull in 4 million tonight, then drop to 3 million. OK not bad compared with some of their flops, but for such a hyped up show, very poor. Dancc might like this next comment, I think CBB is holding up quite well and I wouldn't worry as the show followed a very weak BB. I'm still confident it will hover around the 2 million level for most of the series. To Channel 5, this is their Corrie. |
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What a remarkable coincidence 24 hours after the story broke about the supposed letter, itself part of Channel 4's publicity for the show.
Will be very interesting to see if they pull it or not. I suspect the extra news coverage this weekend will make them want to stand fire from a ratings and PR perspective - but they need to do some hasty updating I imagine. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19292164 "The police were alerted to the possibility of information about the location of Keith's remains by the makers of a Channel 4 documentary about Brady, who said Ms Powell had told them she had received letters from the killer, one of which was for Mrs Johnson." The DS thread was created at 00:01 yesterday morning so presumably the media were not allowed to report it until Friday. A very sad coincidence though with the death of Winnie Johnson today.
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In fairness, it has already been the best TV viewing August ever, and all channels have new programming on this week, seemingly bringing forward the start of the autumn schedules to follow on from the Olympics.
BBC1 hasn't shown a New Tricks repeat for about 3 weeks either... ![]() btw, welcome back Chris1964. Glad the IT is sorted and hope you managed to keep up with the ratings news in the past 2 months. In fairness, it's been pretty quiet, you haven't missed much. ![]() ![]() Thanks for that, and thanks to Pizza also. Im afraid that although the IT is sorted the broadband still needs some work. Posting on here via dial-up is bordering on impossible so posts from me will be few and far between at the moment. I shall spend some time trying to work out what the The Flowerpot Gang is all about and why its on in the middle of primetime. No doubt it will please George S
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The news that broke yesterday it looks like was embargoed until 00:00 yesterday morning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19292164 "The police were alerted to the possibility of information about the location of Keith's remains by the makers of a Channel 4 documentary about Brady, who said Ms Powell had told them she had received letters from the killer, one of which was for Mrs Johnson." The DS thread was created at 00:01 yesterday morning so presumably the media were not allowed to report it until Friday. A very sad coincidence though with the death of Winnie Johnson today. ![]()
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Strictly Come Dancing series average - 10.87m. X Factor series average - 12.04m. It's a bit like an Emmerdale fan saying it trounced Eastenders in 2011 because it came out on top a few times (but lost most of the time, by series average and had a lower peak rating).
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Likewise, some people might take up Badminton all of a sudden and give their local JJB Sports a lift for the week. But for the majority of the audience, it's escapism.
