Pleasantly surprised by the 5.7m who tuned into EastEnders last night on BBC Two.
The Ratings Thread (Part 38)
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Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Oh yes at this rate he'll be finishing last and his boat will sink and he'll do an Eddie the Eagle Edwards and become a popular after dinner speaker.
Blimey, I heard enough negativity about the olympics from football fans this weekend, who think only their sport should exist, the usual it's a London thing from people who think the world ends at Manchester, and now the bashers are out.
I'm still of the opinion we might not do as well as Beijing, but I'm still predicting double figures for the golds and should we do well in track and field, then you're looking at over 10 million viewers a night.”
“Oh yes at this rate he'll be finishing last and his boat will sink and he'll do an Eddie the Eagle Edwards and become a popular after dinner speaker.
Blimey, I heard enough negativity about the olympics from football fans this weekend, who think only their sport should exist, the usual it's a London thing from people who think the world ends at Manchester, and now the bashers are out.
I'm still of the opinion we might not do as well as Beijing, but I'm still predicting double figures for the golds and should we do well in track and field, then you're looking at over 10 million viewers a night.”
Sorry I wasn't being negative when I said How Terrible I was being sarcastic at the idea second is terrible..
People who live under bridges and are nasty to billy goats shouldn't really be allowed to have a computer.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“You'll get told off saying things like that! But I agree. It now looks unlikely Ben Ainslie will even get a medal. The Judo hopeful is out. It's now riding on the rowers and if they fail I d think at this rate we'll be lucky to match the performance of Atlanta. Could London be team GB's Montreal?
Also, I am getting bored with the coaches saying "Some days you have to accept that you are not going to do as well as you hope". The other countries seem to be performing consistently well (i.e Denmark) so that isn't an excuse anymore.
£400 million pounds have been invested in this team. More than any other team. If they don't produce results (and by that, yes I mean Gold.....that is the ultimate goal for all athletes) then future investmests will be affected.”
“You'll get told off saying things like that! But I agree. It now looks unlikely Ben Ainslie will even get a medal. The Judo hopeful is out. It's now riding on the rowers and if they fail I d think at this rate we'll be lucky to match the performance of Atlanta. Could London be team GB's Montreal?
Also, I am getting bored with the coaches saying "Some days you have to accept that you are not going to do as well as you hope". The other countries seem to be performing consistently well (i.e Denmark) so that isn't an excuse anymore.
£400 million pounds have been invested in this team. More than any other team. If they don't produce results (and by that, yes I mean Gold.....that is the ultimate goal for all athletes) then future investmests will be affected.”
Most of the big GB medal events happen at the weekend - cycling and sailing for example. The sailors are doing well - still plenty of time for Ainslie to pull it back. They were never going to get loads of medals in the first few days anyway. Target is 48 medals - they are still well on track for this.
I think all the negative thoughts on here are feeding through to Team GB!
Can we put a lid on it and talk about ratings?
Can we put a lid on it and talk about ratings?
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Yes indeed. It is quite reassuring to think that there is infact a demand for permanent Sports Channels from the BBC. Even if they kept 8 of these channels on a permanent basis, the opportunities for extending their sports coverage and causing minimal disruption to other services are endless.”
“Yes indeed. It is quite reassuring to think that there is infact a demand for permanent Sports Channels from the BBC. Even if they kept 8 of these channels on a permanent basis, the opportunities for extending their sports coverage and causing minimal disruption to other services are endless.”
I'm doing most of my Olympics viewing via the Sports channels. They are excellent as you can watch the day events from beginning to end. I do think that BBC need to look at providing a service like this in future particularly for the 'lesser' sports. It has got the stage in recent years that tv only covers the main sports & those that I saw as a kid just don't get tv coverage anymore.
To be fair the BBC have provided such a service for years via the red button - for example a few weeks ago on all platforms you could watch the British Men winning European Gymnastic Gold in full on the red button - but that came at the expense (I think) of any coverage being carried on BBC1/2.
Overall though I don't think the BBC (and other FTA channels) stepped up as I thought they would in terms of covering Olympic sports outside of the Olympics (other than swimming and cycling) in the lead up to London 2012, so let's hope they're inspired now to show what they can in the years after it.
Sadly the BBC's solution to this problem is to cut the satellite and cable streams back to one following the games rather than improve the service on Freeview, as anyone who has had Freeview for the last couple of years can tell you one red button stream isn't sufficient. Even when we had two (or three as it was for Beijing) there were occassional issues but on the whole it was sufficient.
I don't begrude Sky/Virgin viewers having the extra 24 channels - but a few months ago the idea of all that being delivered in HD seemed impossible. The BBC found a way though - yet at the same time didn't even attempt just to add one stream to Freeview, Considering how other muxes have added channels in the last couple of years I've little doubt if they'd been any will at the BBC that "302" could have been restored permanently by now, while an extra channel could have also been added by suspending the radio channels for the fortnight as is done in the evenings for BBC Alba in Scotland.
I think to more than anything the ratings of the Olympic channels just prove that the future of TV is in TV, not broadband - and people want to watch TV through their TV where they can, not through the internet.
Overall though I don't think the BBC (and other FTA channels) stepped up as I thought they would in terms of covering Olympic sports outside of the Olympics (other than swimming and cycling) in the lead up to London 2012, so let's hope they're inspired now to show what they can in the years after it.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Platform Neutrality is a tricky one. I do agree in principle that the BBC shouldn't be going out of their way to offer extra content to all other platforms than the most popular and most affordable provider. We all, after all, pay the exact same licence fee, regardless of which digital TV platform we have chosen in our homes.
However, this current situation with the Games seems unavoidable. With the bandwidth problem that exists on DTT the only alternative would be to not broadcast certain events at all which would be ridiculous.
If this sort of thing was to become more common in the future however, then perhaps a small cut to the licence fee in DTT only homes is in order. If Freeview viewers aren't going to be able to enjoy the same breadth of content as everyone else, then in my humble opinion they shouldn't have to pay as much.”
“Platform Neutrality is a tricky one. I do agree in principle that the BBC shouldn't be going out of their way to offer extra content to all other platforms than the most popular and most affordable provider. We all, after all, pay the exact same licence fee, regardless of which digital TV platform we have chosen in our homes.
However, this current situation with the Games seems unavoidable. With the bandwidth problem that exists on DTT the only alternative would be to not broadcast certain events at all which would be ridiculous.
If this sort of thing was to become more common in the future however, then perhaps a small cut to the licence fee in DTT only homes is in order. If Freeview viewers aren't going to be able to enjoy the same breadth of content as everyone else, then in my humble opinion they shouldn't have to pay as much.”
Sadly the BBC's solution to this problem is to cut the satellite and cable streams back to one following the games rather than improve the service on Freeview, as anyone who has had Freeview for the last couple of years can tell you one red button stream isn't sufficient. Even when we had two (or three as it was for Beijing) there were occassional issues but on the whole it was sufficient.
I don't begrude Sky/Virgin viewers having the extra 24 channels - but a few months ago the idea of all that being delivered in HD seemed impossible. The BBC found a way though - yet at the same time didn't even attempt just to add one stream to Freeview, Considering how other muxes have added channels in the last couple of years I've little doubt if they'd been any will at the BBC that "302" could have been restored permanently by now, while an extra channel could have also been added by suspending the radio channels for the fortnight as is done in the evenings for BBC Alba in Scotland.
I think to more than anything the ratings of the Olympic channels just prove that the future of TV is in TV, not broadband - and people want to watch TV through their TV where they can, not through the internet.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I think to more than anything the ratings of the Olympic channels just prove that the future of TV is in TV, not broadband - and people want to watch TV through their TV where they can, not through the internet.”
“I think to more than anything the ratings of the Olympic channels just prove that the future of TV is in TV, not broadband - and people want to watch TV through their TV where they can, not through the internet.”
And people overwhelmingly want to watch TV channels live at the time wherever possible.
Two stats were given at the ITV results presentation last week:
- Catch-up viewing represents 5% of total viewing
- VOD represents 1% of total viewing
Both the above are overall averages for the whole population across all platforms and channels.
Even allowing for the fact that many people don't have the necessary equipment it still shows that the vast majority of people want to just flick on the TV and watch something that is on there and then the vast majority of the time.
People want convenience and simplicity. If there's something they really care about that they can't watch live then sure, the ability to catch-up etc is incredibly valuable. But for the majority of people it's the occasional exception from normal live viewing.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“And people overwhelmingly want to watch TV channels live at the time wherever possible.
Two stats were given at the ITV results presentation last week:
- Catch-up viewing represents 5% of total viewing
- VOD represents 1% of total viewing
Both the above are overall averages for the whole population across all platforms and channels.
Even allowing for the fact that many people don't have the necessary equipment it still shows that the vast majority of people want to just flick on the TV and watch something that is on there and then the vast majority of the time.
People want convenience and simplicity. If there's something they really care about that they can't watch live then sure, the ability to catch-up etc is incredibly valuable. But it's not the norm.”
“And people overwhelmingly want to watch TV channels live at the time wherever possible.
Two stats were given at the ITV results presentation last week:
- Catch-up viewing represents 5% of total viewing
- VOD represents 1% of total viewing
Both the above are overall averages for the whole population across all platforms and channels.
Even allowing for the fact that many people don't have the necessary equipment it still shows that the vast majority of people want to just flick on the TV and watch something that is on there and then the vast majority of the time.
People want convenience and simplicity. If there's something they really care about that they can't watch live then sure, the ability to catch-up etc is incredibly valuable. But it's not the norm.”
Not sure where they got their figures as BARB now says 10% of all viewing is now 'not live' so their numbers don't add up.
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“Not sure where they got their figures as BARB now says 10% of all viewing is now 'not live' so their numbers don't add up.”
“Not sure where they got their figures as BARB now says 10% of all viewing is now 'not live' so their numbers don't add up.”
OK, thanks. But even so that's still a pretty small proportion.
Was their VOD figure of 1% correct?
Quote:
“On digital station Channel 5*, the feature-length pilot episode of Home and Away (1987 episode) averaged 221k (1.0%) from 6pm.”
“On digital station Channel 5*, the feature-length pilot episode of Home and Away (1987 episode) averaged 221k (1.0%) from 6pm.”
Thats not bad!
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“OK, thanks. But even so that's still a pretty small proportion.
Was their VOD figure of 1% correct?”
“OK, thanks. But even so that's still a pretty small proportion.
Was their VOD figure of 1% correct?”
BARB doesn't split out VOD and recorded playback.....
http://www.barb.co.uk/news/bulletins?_s=4
Although you never know what may happen in the future
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Sorry I wasn't being negative when I said How Terrible I was being sarcastic at the idea second is terrible..
People who live under bridges and are nasty to billy goats shouldn't really be allowed to have a computer.”
“Sorry I wasn't being negative when I said How Terrible I was being sarcastic at the idea second is terrible..
People who live under bridges and are nasty to billy goats shouldn't really be allowed to have a computer.”
No offence taken, but I know people are getting impatient, but a lot of events like archery and judo we've done nothing in for years so there's no need to worry.
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“trickytree? Do you by any chance have a five minute breakdown for the opening ceremony?”
“trickytree? Do you by any chance have a five minute breakdown for the opening ceremony?”
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BBC1 & BBC HD 21:00 - 21:05 21914 21:05 - 21:10 22613 21:10 - 21:15 23211 21:15 - 21:20 23733 21:20 - 21:25 24117 21:25 - 21:30 24268 21:30 - 21:35 24578 21:35 - 21:40 24491 21:40 - 21:45 24302 21:45 - 21:50 24560 21:50 - 21:55 24807 21:55 - 22:00 24573 22:00 - 22:05 24568 22:05 - 22:10 24262 22:10 - 22:15 24291 22:15 - 22:20 23981 22:20 - 22:25 23699 22:25 - 22:30 23669 22:30 - 22:35 23522 22:35 - 22:40 23246 22:40 - 22:45 23029 22:45 - 22:50 22907 22:50 - 22:55 22495 22:55 - 23:00 22365 23:00 - 23:05 21853 23:05 - 23:10 21518 23:10 - 23:15 21467 23:15 - 23:20 20983 23:20 - 23:25 20552 23:25 - 23:30 20561 23:30 - 23:35 20379 23:35 - 23:40 20200 23:40 - 23:45 20172
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Wait, is that live viewing only? Because it is lower than the reported 26.9m peak.”
“Wait, is that live viewing only? Because it is lower than the reported 26.9m peak.”
Yep, quite right, that was just Live
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BBC1 & BBC HD 21:00 - 21:05 23026 21:05 - 21:10 23894 21:10 - 21:15 24586 21:15 - 21:20 25193 21:20 - 21:25 25680 21:25 - 21:30 26053 21:30 - 21:35 26446 21:35 - 21:40 26388 21:40 - 21:45 26305 21:45 - 21:50 26778 21:50 - 21:55 27012 21:55 - 22:00 26715 22:00 - 22:05 26689 22:05 - 22:10 26366 22:10 - 22:15 26514 22:15 - 22:20 26175 22:20 - 22:25 25761 22:25 - 22:30 25482 22:30 - 22:35 25088 22:35 - 22:40 24659 22:40 - 22:45 24399 22:45 - 22:50 24205 22:50 - 22:55 23708 22:55 - 23:00 23580 23:00 - 23:05 23009 23:05 - 23:10 22719 23:10 - 23:15 22547 23:15 - 23:20 22010 23:20 - 23:25 21514 23:25 - 23:30 21461 23:30 - 23:35 21309 23:35 - 23:40 21087 23:40 - 23:45 21056
Originally Posted by PaulRobinsonFan:
“Thats not bad!”
“Thats not bad!”
The Home & Away pilot did well considering it was two hours long. Except for the BB spinoffs it will probably be 5*'s most watched show of the week. Worth buying the rights to these classics then, but on the flipside it's going to underline just how poor the show now is compared to the glory days!
The sea plane disaster and a certain Dannii Minogue making her TV debut follow tonight. 6pm & 6.30pm, 5*.
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“Yep, quite right, that was just Live
”
“Yep, quite right, that was just Live
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BBC1 & BBC HD 21:00 - 21:05 23026 21:05 - 21:10 23894 21:10 - 21:15 24586 21:15 - 21:20 25193 21:20 - 21:25 25680 21:25 - 21:30 26053 21:30 - 21:35 26446 21:35 - 21:40 26388 21:40 - 21:45 26305 21:45 - 21:50 26778 21:50 - 21:55 27012 21:55 - 22:00 26715 22:00 - 22:05 26689 22:05 - 22:10 26366 22:10 - 22:15 26514 22:15 - 22:20 26175 22:20 - 22:25 25761 22:25 - 22:30 25482 22:30 - 22:35 25088 22:35 - 22:40 24659 22:40 - 22:45 24399 22:45 - 22:50 24205 22:50 - 22:55 23708 22:55 - 23:00 23580 23:00 - 23:05 23009 23:05 - 23:10 22719 23:10 - 23:15 22547 23:15 - 23:20 22010 23:20 - 23:25 21514 23:25 - 23:30 21461 23:30 - 23:35 21309 23:35 - 23:40 21087 23:40 - 23:45 21056
That's fantastic! One last request, do you have the breakdown to the end of the ceremony? Just to see how quick the drop off was by midnight.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“The Home & Away pilot did well considering it was two hours long. Except for the BB spinoffs it will probably be 5*'s most watched show of the week. Worth buying the rights to these classics then, but on the flipside it's going to underline just how poor the show now is compared to the glory days!
The sea plane disaster and a certain Dannii Minogue making her TV debut follow tonight. 6pm & 6.30pm, 5*.”
“The Home & Away pilot did well considering it was two hours long. Except for the BB spinoffs it will probably be 5*'s most watched show of the week. Worth buying the rights to these classics then, but on the flipside it's going to underline just how poor the show now is compared to the glory days!
The sea plane disaster and a certain Dannii Minogue making her TV debut follow tonight. 6pm & 6.30pm, 5*.”
Can't wait!
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“That's fantastic! One last request, do you have the breakdown to the end of the ceremony? Just to see how quick the drop off was by midnight.”
“That's fantastic! One last request, do you have the breakdown to the end of the ceremony? Just to see how quick the drop off was by midnight.
”
Oops, two errors in one go, cant even type in a 'time' now!
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BBC1 & BBC HD 21:00 - 21:05 23026 21:05 - 21:10 23894 21:10 - 21:15 24586 21:15 - 21:20 25193 21:20 - 21:25 25680 21:25 - 21:30 26053 21:30 - 21:35 26446 21:35 - 21:40 26388 21:40 - 21:45 26305 21:45 - 21:50 26778 21:50 - 21:55 27012 21:55 - 22:00 26715 22:00 - 22:05 26689 22:05 - 22:10 26366 22:10 - 22:15 26514 22:15 - 22:20 26175 22:20 - 22:25 25761 22:25 - 22:30 25482 22:30 - 22:35 25088 22:35 - 22:40 24659 22:40 - 22:45 24399 22:45 - 22:50 24205 22:50 - 22:55 23708 22:55 - 23:00 23580 23:00 - 23:05 23009 23:05 - 23:10 22719 23:10 - 23:15 22547 23:15 - 23:20 22010 23:20 - 23:25 21514 23:25 - 23:30 21461 23:30 - 23:35 21309 23:35 - 23:40 21087 23:40 - 23:45 21056 23:45 - 23:50 20910 23:50 - 23:55 21029 23:55 - 24:00 21310 24:00 - 24:05 20686 24:05 - 24:10 19973 24:10 - 24:15 19670 24:15 - 24:20 19580 24:20 - 24:25 19636 24:25 - 24:30 20315 24:30 - 24:35 20358 24:35 - 24:40 20022 24:40 - 24:45 17580
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“the fact those channels are not on Freeview is not great for the BBCs "Platform Neutrality" so the BBC could not justify keeping them.”
“the fact those channels are not on Freeview is not great for the BBCs "Platform Neutrality" so the BBC could not justify keeping them.”
Having said that, as part of DQF and a review of interactive services, I am sure that the BBC announced that, in the future, they would look at delivering more interactive streams over the internet (possibly using MHEG-IC to provide a front-end menu of Freeview). They see this as being much more cost-effective
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“but it still isn't Platform Neutrality.
Last time I checked the BBC was not meant to provide extra content for Pay TV viewers, in fact I always thought the BBC was meant to do the exact opposite.”
“but it still isn't Platform Neutrality.
Last time I checked the BBC was not meant to provide extra content for Pay TV viewers, in fact I always thought the BBC was meant to do the exact opposite.”
They are not - they are providing it FREE on satellite (i.e not exclusively for pay-tv). And the carriage costs are also free for the BBC.
But this is way off-topic for the Ratings thread.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“And people overwhelmingly want to watch TV channels live at the time wherever possible.
Two stats were given at the ITV results presentation last week:
- Catch-up viewing represents 5% of total viewing
- VOD represents 1% of total viewing
Both the above are overall averages for the whole population across all platforms and channels.
Even allowing for the fact that many people don't have the necessary equipment it still shows that the vast majority of people want to just flick on the TV and watch something that is on there and then the vast majority of the time.
People want convenience and simplicity. If there's something they really care about that they can't watch live then sure, the ability to catch-up etc is incredibly valuable. But for the majority of people it's the occasional exception from normal live viewing.”
“And people overwhelmingly want to watch TV channels live at the time wherever possible.
Two stats were given at the ITV results presentation last week:
- Catch-up viewing represents 5% of total viewing
- VOD represents 1% of total viewing
Both the above are overall averages for the whole population across all platforms and channels.
Even allowing for the fact that many people don't have the necessary equipment it still shows that the vast majority of people want to just flick on the TV and watch something that is on there and then the vast majority of the time.
People want convenience and simplicity. If there's something they really care about that they can't watch live then sure, the ability to catch-up etc is incredibly valuable. But for the majority of people it's the occasional exception from normal live viewing.”
Interesting stats (even if their accuracy is in doubt) and kind of backs up C4's logic in launching 4seven. BTW, how is 4seven doing a few weeks in?
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“Not sure where they got their figures as BARB now says 10% of all viewing is now 'not live' so their numbers don't add up.”
“Not sure where they got their figures as BARB now says 10% of all viewing is now 'not live' so their numbers don't add up.”
Are ITV using figures just for their channels, do you think?
The last time BARB released figures, wasn't it just for the top ten channels, so the highest timeshift channels like Sky Atlantic and BBC HD weren't included?
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