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The Ratings Thread (Part 38)
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Andy Parish
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“To be fair they managed to knock the first four in; I can't remember the last time England did that.”

England scored all 5 in the 'Euro 96' semi, Southgate missed in sudden death. Germany scored all 6!
C14E
05-08-2012
I'm guessing this could well be the highest rating night of the Olympics (aside from the OC). Should build to a spectacular peak as well - 3 Gold medals in one hour, it really couldn't have worked out any better from a TV perspective.

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“oh please, that is so old media thinking, what matters is what is being said on forums like this one and Walford Web, a grass routes movement by fans saying positive things, is far more important than the press.

fans control what is said about the show on the social media websites, and in the comments section of articles in the press.”

Yes, but they need people to write the articles first.

Anyone that is on a website called Walford Web is watching the show already. The press (or online channels like DS) are the best way to get the message out there to a broad audience.
CF2003
05-08-2012
Anyone know why there are only rating for the Olympics and the soaps from Friday? Where's the rest of them?
Andy Parish
05-08-2012
I'm not really into this ratings prediction thing ( ) but I'm gonna say a 16m+ peak for BBC1 and pushing 40% all day share.
cylon6
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“I'm not really into this ratings prediction thing ( ) but I'm gonna say a 16m+ peak for BBC1 and pushing 40% all day share.”

You are a very optimistic man Mr Parrish but I wouldn't rule it out. The football might have dented BBC1 though so that needs to be taken into consideration.
cylon6
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by C14E:
“I'm guessing this could well be the highest rating night of the Olympics (aside from the OC). Should build to a spectacular peak as well - 3 Gold medals in one hour, it really couldn't have worked out any better from a TV perspective.”

I still think BBC3 might have taken some viewers away for the football. We'll see tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“I guess its fair to say that the press can have some influence, however what gives the press an advantage of fans, is that generally they know how to behave at such events, and are easy to invite.

I just would rather hear the views of fans, that those of critics, who have there own & the newspapers agenda.”

Originally Posted by C14E:
“Yes, but they need people to write the articles first.

Anyone that is on a website called Walford Web is watching the show already. The press (or online channels like DS) are the best way to get the message out there to a broad audience.”

That's exactly why they do it. Get articles in papers/magazines and on websites that fans look at.
Charnham
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Yes, but they need people to write the articles first.

Anyone that is on a website called Walford Web is watching the show already. The press (or online channels like DS) are the best way to get the message out there to a broad audience.”

fair enough some online media (like DS) will be required, but I dont think Print Media is as important as it used to be in this kind of thing.

Invite 20 or so fans, ensure they have good social media and online presence, they will write about the experince, the episodes, and it will soon spread across the web.

It reminds me of when BBC had YouTuber "Charlie Is So Cool Like" do some online Doctor Who videos, he being a Doctor Who fan, but one with an active You Tube account.

The fact that someone who pots on an EE forum, is watching the show, does not mean they will say negative things about it, I have spent years in various fandoms, and learnt many things, one of those things is that its the fans of a show, who moan both first and the loudest when the show hits a bad slump, as it fails to hit the highs fans as a group expect of it.

A vocal fanbase is both good and bad for a show, hence why creating a positive feeling in the fan base (the grass roots) will increase the over all positive dialogue about the show.
Martin Phillp
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Big Bore is dead, even The Daily Star is giving up now. Why not put this show out of its misery?”

Because C5 have a contract with Endemol until 2014 and has still performed well for that channel despite the games.
Andy Parish
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“You are a very optimistic man Mr Parrish but I wouldn't rule it out.”

It's just the one 'R' in my 'Parish' Cam!
John Ferrier
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“They won't cutback and that's the problem. I think you can get away with 4 but Corrie and Emmerdale clog up the early evening schedules on ITV. I think being on so much means storylines are rushed through and familiarity breeds apathy. I feel the same way about The One Show. Give us a break.”

Not at ITV but Entwhistle as new BBC DG will have an eye to renewal of the charter and may feel that changes have to happen as regards to the soaps ect, i have a feeling John Yorke may move on from his current role as head of continuing drama.
John Ferrier
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Yes ratings have been in the doldrums with EastEnders really suffering by their standards. They're hoping the Sharon week will help them get back some ratings momentum. They had a press event for those episodes and those that went were impressed.”

Where is Dan2008 with his Ratings thread EE PR these days.

As for the BIB that sounds bad indeed.
John Ferrier
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“This is the problem, ITV seem to think these shows are so big, they can show them as much as they want. Yet in ratings terms the soaps have fallen behind BGT, TXF, SCD and DA and most people say the soaps are on too much. However, ITV are terrified if they cut them down as they might get a show in their place that only attracts 2 million viewers.
Yet for all I dislike football, moving this from Wednesday to Tuesday means Coronation St can move to its traditional home and the 8.30 slot is freed up on Thursdays. Ideally this could be used a test bed for new shows.”

When Corrie went four times a week my gran stopped watching likewise with EE, she was adamant that she had no more time to commit as she was not glued to the box.
Gutted Girl
05-08-2012
I'm going to agree with everyone else and say an amazing night of TV on the BBC tonight and hope that it gets the ratings that it deserves.
cylon6
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by John Ferrier:
“Not at ITV but Entwhistle as new BBC DG will have an eye to renewal of the charter and may feel that changes have to happen as regards to the soaps ect, i have a feeling John Yorke may move on from his current role as head of continuing drama.”

I'm not so sure that EastEnders will be reduced. It could be argued that it's part of the entertainment remit of the BBC. An increase in soap? Now that's something he'll probably say no to.

Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“It's just the one 'R' in my 'Parish' Cam! ”

I knew I was getting that wrong!
John Ferrier
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“The thing is 15-20 years ago before the digital channels and the Internet the Soaps were event TV. Now there are so many ways to catch up with them and if you miss a episode it doesn't matter.”

^^^^^^This, i remember the shock of seeing Alan Bradley pumped by a Blackpool Tram, high ratings for a shocking end to a gripping storyline, these days the surprise has gone with plots revealed in advance and that give the viewer ample time to avoid or watch.
Charnham
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by John Ferrier:
“When Corrie went four times a week my gran stopped watching likewise with EE, she was adamant that she had no more time to commit as she was not glued to the box.”

bless the old dear.

Seriously now, 4 seems like an ok amount, I certainly wouldnt want anymore than that, but 3 whilst again is an ok amount, its less than 4. 3 or 4 episodes maybe the right amount for a primetime soap.
John Ferrier
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“bless the old dear.

Seriously now, 4 seems like an ok amount, I certainly wouldnt want anymore than that, but 3 whilst again is an ok amount, its less than 4. 3 or 4 episodes maybe the right amount for a primetime soap.”

She still has The Holby Twins.

As ratings fall in the coming years there will be changes to the structure and amount of episodes produced, i believe i will live to witness the end of all the primetime soaps.
Charnham
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by John Ferrier:
“She still has The Holby Twins.

As ratings fall in the coming years there will be changes to the structure and amount of episodes produced, i believe i will live to witness the end of all the primetime soaps.”

Ive got at least 50 years in me, but whilst I may live to see the soaps cut back, i dont know if they will be axed, just survive in a very different way, lets face it in 50 years time the way we watch TV will have changed dramatically, liner TV may well be totally dead. In the face of that kind of change anything is possible.
D.M.N.
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Does anyone have the ratings for the following, please?

Olympics 2012 - Fri 3rd Aug 19.00 BBC One (I can see 6.55-10pm has been reported; any chance on 7-10pm for the predictions game? )

Many thanks. ”

Unlikely, because the programme ran from 18:55 to 22:10, instead of the advertised 19:00 to 22:00.
D.M.N.
05-08-2012
Between 13:50 and 16:30, there's Olympics on BBC1, BBC2 and BBC3. Not sure if it was scheduled for BBC2, or whether they've changed it because Murray is in the Tennis final, scheduled for BBC1 now.
ronant
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Between 13:50 and 16:30, there's Olympics on BBC1, BBC2 and BBC3. Not sure if it was scheduled for BBC2, or whether they've changed it because Murray is in the Tennis final, scheduled for BBC1 now.”

Yes it was always scheduled, it's in the Radio Times. They're doing the same thing next Sunday afternoon too.
Jules 1
05-08-2012
Does anyone remember how many Freeview streams there were for past Olympics as I think it was more than 3 [4 in the evening].

Not quite ratings related but I am sure that some of the knowledgeable people about some things in here will know.
ronant
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Jules 1:
“Does anyone remember how many Freeview streams there were for past Olympics as I think it was more than 3 [4 in the evening].

Not quite ratings related but I am sure that some of the knowledgeable people about some things in here will know.”

In Beijing they had BBC1/2, and three red button streams. This year it's BBC1/2, BBC3, 1 red button stream during the day and 2 after 7pm.

They do have 3 HD streams this year. Not sure if they had any in 2008, if they did it was only 1.
russellelly
05-08-2012
Originally Posted by Jules 1:
“Does anyone remember how many Freeview streams there were for past Olympics as I think it was more than 3 [4 in the evening].

Not quite ratings related but I am sure that some of the knowledgeable people about some things in here will know.”

BBC had 301 and 302, permanently full time (except the Community Channel on 302 AM, which they took off air for Olympics), alongside BBC Parliament, giving 3 streams in addition to whatever was on the main channels (I don't remember if BBC2/3 were used last time? 3 certainty didn't run daytime).
ronant
05-08-2012
@Cod_Rob: 15 Million watched Ennis smash it last night while 16 million watched Super Mo bag gold.

@Cod_Rob: ITV ratings yesterday makes it look like digital channel, nothing got over 2.2 million all day.

@rogermosey: Stunning viewing figures for last night's amazing athletics. 17.1m watched Mo Farah win gold, and 16.3m saw Jess Ennis's triumph. #BBC2012

@Jake_Kanter: BBC1/BBC Olympics 1 attracted a peak of more than 17m viewers as Mo Farah won the 10,000m. #London2012
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