Having seen next Saturday's BBC1 schedule, by the way, I do like the fact that after three weeks of non-stop trailers, Total Wipeout has been flung out at half five. Also, the Andy Murray night back in June worked out really well for them as it means they can put the last Indiana Jones film to fill the gap before Doctor Who. And I am going to bet that beats Red or Black.
The Ratings Thread (Part 38)
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Originally Posted by Cent:
“Excellent for BBC3. I hope this is the start of a new era for how the BBC looks at BBC3. It is no longer a 'digital channel', it's the BBC 3rd service, available to everyone who has BBC1 and BBC2. It can be used for a lot more sport and overspill when things overrun on 1/2.
An example we noted here, Wimbledon overran and BBC2 cancelled the first showing of Mock the Week, despite BBC3 showing Little Britain at the time. No need for that.”
“Excellent for BBC3. I hope this is the start of a new era for how the BBC looks at BBC3. It is no longer a 'digital channel', it's the BBC 3rd service, available to everyone who has BBC1 and BBC2. It can be used for a lot more sport and overspill when things overrun on 1/2.
An example we noted here, Wimbledon overran and BBC2 cancelled the first showing of Mock the Week, despite BBC3 showing Little Britain at the time. No need for that.”
Indeed. Though Wimbledon is the only sporting event that has notoriously caused scheduling problems on the Beeb -- well, so far to my knowledge.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Having seen next Saturday's BBC1 schedule, by the way, I do like the fact that after three weeks of non-stop trailers, Total Wipeout has been flung out at half five. Also, the Andy Murray night back in June worked out really well for them as it means they can put the last Indiana Jones film to fill the gap before Doctor Who. And I am going to bet that beats Red or Black.”
“Having seen next Saturday's BBC1 schedule, by the way, I do like the fact that after three weeks of non-stop trailers, Total Wipeout has been flung out at half five. Also, the Andy Murray night back in June worked out really well for them as it means they can put the last Indiana Jones film to fill the gap before Doctor Who. And I am going to bet that beats Red or Black.”
I hope so too but the fact that The X Factor is back will be more than enough to keep millions switched onto itv throughout the evening, I fear. Plus it's Ant and Dec and everybody loves Ant and Dec (cough, cough...)
That pentathlon stuff was bizarre last night: The Olympics meet Total Wipeout.
Odd to see Channel 4 keeping Deal or No Deal, Come Dine With Me and Simpsons going through the Paralympics. Would be hard pushed to find any other C4 shows screaming out for a rest more than those three, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks, but I can see why they're keeping that going, in order to avoid screwing up the production schedules any more than they already might have been.
Presumably ITV1 beat its lowest ever share (5%) yesterday?
Odd to see Channel 4 keeping Deal or No Deal, Come Dine With Me and Simpsons going through the Paralympics. Would be hard pushed to find any other C4 shows screaming out for a rest more than those three, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks, but I can see why they're keeping that going, in order to avoid screwing up the production schedules any more than they already might have been.
Presumably ITV1 beat its lowest ever share (5%) yesterday?
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Having seen next Saturday's BBC1 schedule, by the way, I do like the fact that after three weeks of non-stop trailers, Total Wipeout has been flung out at half five. Also, the Andy Murray night back in June worked out really well for them as it means they can put the last Indiana Jones film to fill the gap before Doctor Who. And I am going to bet that beats Red or Black.”
“Having seen next Saturday's BBC1 schedule, by the way, I do like the fact that after three weeks of non-stop trailers, Total Wipeout has been flung out at half five. Also, the Andy Murray night back in June worked out really well for them as it means they can put the last Indiana Jones film to fill the gap before Doctor Who. And I am going to bet that beats Red or Black.”
It will be interesting to see how Red or Black fares. I think 3.5 million will tune in.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“That pentathlon stuff was bizarre last night: The Olympics meet Total Wipeout.
Odd to see Channel 4 keeping Deal or No Deal, Come Dine With Me and Simpsons going through the Paralympics. Would be hard pushed to find any other C4 shows screaming out for a rest more than those three, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks, but I can see why they're keeping that going, in order to avoid screwing up the production schedules any more than they already might have been.
Presumably ITV1 beat its lowest ever share (5%) yesterday?”
“That pentathlon stuff was bizarre last night: The Olympics meet Total Wipeout.
Odd to see Channel 4 keeping Deal or No Deal, Come Dine With Me and Simpsons going through the Paralympics. Would be hard pushed to find any other C4 shows screaming out for a rest more than those three, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks, but I can see why they're keeping that going, in order to avoid screwing up the production schedules any more than they already might have been.
Presumably ITV1 beat its lowest ever share (5%) yesterday?”
Channel 4 summed up by four shows: a game show that's on too much and is like pulling teeth, an overkilled cookery/ reality show that stopped being good years ago, an ancient and unfunny cartoon and a soap that is on its last legs.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Odd to see Channel 4 keeping Deal or No Deal, Come Dine With Me and Simpsons going through the Paralympics. Would be hard pushed to find any other C4 shows screaming out for a rest more than those three, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks, but I can see why they're keeping that going, in order to avoid screwing up the production schedules any more than they already might have been.”
“Odd to see Channel 4 keeping Deal or No Deal, Come Dine With Me and Simpsons going through the Paralympics. Would be hard pushed to find any other C4 shows screaming out for a rest more than those three, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks, but I can see why they're keeping that going, in order to avoid screwing up the production schedules any more than they already might have been.”
Although like the BBC and EastEnders C4 have known plenty of time in advance that they'd have the Paralympics that week, so why commission those episodes in the first place?
Originally Posted by Jay Lee:
“I hope so too but the fact that The X Factor is back will be more than enough to keep millions switched onto itv throughout the evening, I fear. Plus it's Ant and Dec and everybody loves Ant and Dec (cough, cough...)”
“I hope so too but the fact that The X Factor is back will be more than enough to keep millions switched onto itv throughout the evening, I fear. Plus it's Ant and Dec and everybody loves Ant and Dec (cough, cough...)”
Well, it didn't help Push The Button, did it? Or Red or Black series one. I don't think The X Factor will have anything to do with it, people will tune in at 7.59 - or 8.20 - and Red or Black will flop.
I still think ITV would be wise to bring back Saturday Takeaway. This was a decent sized hit for Ant and Dec and catered well to the non DW audience.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I still think ITV would be wise to bring back Saturday Takeaway. This was a decent sized hit for Ant and Dec and catered well to the non DW audience.”
“I still think ITV would be wise to bring back Saturday Takeaway. This was a decent sized hit for Ant and Dec and catered well to the non DW audience.”
They are but not until the winter.
It's a shame if an ancient film repeat beats a new gameshow (if they have made decent improvements to the gameshow to make it entertaining). I hope people give Red or Black? another chance.
Of course if it's rubbish it will deserve the drubbing it probably will get anyway.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“They are but not until the winter.
It's a shame if an ancient film repeat beats a new gameshow (if they have made decent improvements to the gameshow to make it entertaining). I hope people give Red or Black? another chance.
Of course if it's rubbish it will deserve the drubbing it probably will get anyway.”
“They are but not until the winter.
It's a shame if an ancient film repeat beats a new gameshow (if they have made decent improvements to the gameshow to make it entertaining). I hope people give Red or Black? another chance.
Of course if it's rubbish it will deserve the drubbing it probably will get anyway.”
Thankyou, Fudd, as this should pull in 6 million viewers. Also I think the third button should go all out with Take Me Out, this is a promising show, the demos are excellent and 4.5 million is good.
Just noticed that whilst X Factor is scheduled to end at 9.15 on Saturday, Xtra Factor isn't set to start until 9.30, and ITV2 have a 15 minute filler slotted in at 9.15. A last minute 15 minute extension for X Factor coming up?
Push The Button series 2 did launch with 5.9m (overnights) even after series 1 dipped to c4m so Ant & Dec are definitely an initial draw. X Factor did boost Red or Black's last episode too. After settling at about 4m by the end of the week the last night (Saturday) was boosted to 4.7m for the first show and 5.8m for the second, a boost which I suspect largely came about from X Factor.
The earlier show actually had a 15 minute overlap with Strictly, so probably would've averaged 5m otherwise. If this year's run settles at those sort of numbers ITV would presumably be pretty pleased. I can't see it completely stinking anyway, especially not the later shows.
They are, it's back in January/February.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Well, it didn't help Push The Button, did it? Or Red or Black series one. I don't think The X Factor will have anything to do with it, people will tune in at 7.59 - or 8.20 - and Red or Black will flop.”
“Well, it didn't help Push The Button, did it? Or Red or Black series one. I don't think The X Factor will have anything to do with it, people will tune in at 7.59 - or 8.20 - and Red or Black will flop.”
Push The Button series 2 did launch with 5.9m (overnights) even after series 1 dipped to c4m so Ant & Dec are definitely an initial draw. X Factor did boost Red or Black's last episode too. After settling at about 4m by the end of the week the last night (Saturday) was boosted to 4.7m for the first show and 5.8m for the second, a boost which I suspect largely came about from X Factor.
The earlier show actually had a 15 minute overlap with Strictly, so probably would've averaged 5m otherwise. If this year's run settles at those sort of numbers ITV would presumably be pretty pleased. I can't see it completely stinking anyway, especially not the later shows.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I still think ITV would be wise to bring back Saturday Takeaway. This was a decent sized hit for Ant and Dec and catered well to the non DW audience.”
“I still think ITV would be wise to bring back Saturday Takeaway. This was a decent sized hit for Ant and Dec and catered well to the non DW audience.”
They are, it's back in January/February.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Thankyou, Fudd, as this should pull in 6 million viewers. Also I think the third button should go all out with Take Me Out, this is a promising show, the demos are excellent and 4.5 million is good.”
“Thankyou, Fudd, as this should pull in 6 million viewers. Also I think the third button should go all out with Take Me Out, this is a promising show, the demos are excellent and 4.5 million is good.”
It looks like they are going all out with TMO as they have commissioned two more series of it, one to air this Autumn (most likely to be paired up with XF live shows) and another to air in its usual January-March slot.
I think if ROB can be boosted by TXF, this is a good thing as ITV1 has had a terrible summer again. I know Wimbledon and the olympics haven't helped, but even between these Superstar was a costly flop, Let's Get Gold was abysmal and those cheap shows about ratings and pop songs haven't delivered.
However, get nearer Christmas and ITV1 has its olympic golds out in force in the form of TXF, IACGMOOH and DA. I still think for all the TXF's glory days are over, it will top Saturday nights by a clear distance.
However, get nearer Christmas and ITV1 has its olympic golds out in force in the form of TXF, IACGMOOH and DA. I still think for all the TXF's glory days are over, it will top Saturday nights by a clear distance.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Although like the BBC and EastEnders C4 have known plenty of time in advance that they'd have the Paralympics that week, so why commission those episodes in the first place?”
“Although like the BBC and EastEnders C4 have known plenty of time in advance that they'd have the Paralympics that week, so why commission those episodes in the first place?”
The main reason is to avoid screwing up the production schedules. Any soap will have a few weeks' worth of episodes being filmed at any one time, so if you start picking off an episode here, or a week or two there, you mess up the production patterns, and you don't save any money because people are still having to come into work every day to film the episodes due on either side of whatever sporting event it is.
That's why despite the Jubilee, Olympics, Euro 2012, Champions League, FA Cup, Europa League, Paralympics, Sport Relief, Children in Need, Bank Holidays, I'm a Celeb, Britain's Got Talent, Christmas and anything else disrupting the transmission of soaps on television in 2012, by the end of the year, we will not have lost a single episode of EastEnders, Coronation St, Emmerdale or Hollyoaks.
This summer will be remembered for one thing: the summer when ratings went back to the seventies. How often will you see a programmes pulling in 15-20 million viewers every week? Prior to this year, last year only the Royal Wedding broke the 15 million barrier.
Originally Posted by Score:
“It looks like they are going all out with TMO as they have commissioned two more series of it, one to air this Autumn (most likely to be paired up with XF live shows) and another to air in its usual January-March slot.”
“It looks like they are going all out with TMO as they have commissioned two more series of it, one to air this Autumn (most likely to be paired up with XF live shows) and another to air in its usual January-March slot.”
A big mistake IMO. I think they were right to team take Me Out up with the X Factor for the anti-Strictly audience but they shouldn't air another series straight after Christmas - it should be given a break.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“The main reason is to avoid screwing up the production schedules. Any soap will have a few weeks' worth of episodes being filmed at any one time, so if you start picking off an episode here, or a week or two there, you mess up the production patterns, and you don't save any money because people are still having to come into work every day to film the episodes due on either side of whatever sporting event it is.”
“The main reason is to avoid screwing up the production schedules. Any soap will have a few weeks' worth of episodes being filmed at any one time, so if you start picking off an episode here, or a week or two there, you mess up the production patterns, and you don't save any money because people are still having to come into work every day to film the episodes due on either side of whatever sporting event it is.”
But the Australian soaps managed to cope with a summer break.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I think if ROB can be boosted by TXF, this is a good thing as ITV1 has had a terrible summer again. I know Wimbledon and the olympics haven't helped, but even between these Superstar was a costly flop, Let's Get Gold was abysmal and those cheap shows about ratings and pop songs haven't delivered.
However, get nearer Christmas and ITV1 has its olympic golds out in force in the form of TXF, IACGMOOH and DA. I still think for all the TXF's glory days are over, it will top Saturday nights by a clear distance.”
“I think if ROB can be boosted by TXF, this is a good thing as ITV1 has had a terrible summer again. I know Wimbledon and the olympics haven't helped, but even between these Superstar was a costly flop, Let's Get Gold was abysmal and those cheap shows about ratings and pop songs haven't delivered.
However, get nearer Christmas and ITV1 has its olympic golds out in force in the form of TXF, IACGMOOH and DA. I still think for all the TXF's glory days are over, it will top Saturday nights by a clear distance.”
Until Strictly returns anyway - especially if the BBC manage to attract a couple of Olympians to the dance contest.
Is More4 launching in HD in time for the Paralympics? And if not why schedule any coverage on that channel as opposed to E4 which is available in HD? 
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“A big mistake IMO. I think they were right to team take Me Out up with the X Factor for the anti-Strictly audience but they shouldn't air another series straight after Christmas - it should be given a break.”
“A big mistake IMO. I think they were right to team take Me Out up with the X Factor for the anti-Strictly audience but they shouldn't air another series straight after Christmas - it should be given a break.”
I agree that it should be given a break. It says Q4 2012 for series 4 and Q1 2013 for series 5 on ITV Media, but I suppose that could mean that series 5 doesn't start until March (paired with BGT?) which would be better as it'd have a break. Unfortunately that'd leave them even more bare in January/February on Saturdays though (unless DOI shifts), so they might not.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Is More4 launching in HD in time for the Paralympics? And if not why schedule any coverage on that channel as opposed to E4 which is available in HD?”
“Is More4 launching in HD in time for the Paralympics? And if not why schedule any coverage on that channel as opposed to E4 which is available in HD?
”
I suppose C4 want to keep their younger demographic on board, by not using E4.
There are three additional FTA HD channels available on Sky/Freesat/Virgin, and of course E4 HD is a pay channel.
So everyone who can receive E4 HD and more will get the three additional HD channels.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Until Strictly returns anyway - especially if the BBC manage to attract a couple of Olympians to the dance contest.”
“Until Strictly returns anyway - especially if the BBC manage to attract a couple of Olympians to the dance contest.”
I think SCD, which seems to have revived its fortunes, will beat TXF. SCD is seen as a much classier, less OTT show than TXF. I'd go for 11 million for SCD, and if the ratings fall from last year continues, 9 million for TXF.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“The main reason is to avoid screwing up the production schedules. Any soap will have a few weeks' worth of episodes being filmed at any one time, so if you start picking off an episode here, or a week or two there, you mess up the production patterns, and you don't save any money because people are still having to come into work every day to film the episodes due on either side of whatever sporting event it is.
That's why despite the Jubilee, Olympics, Euro 2012, Champions League, FA Cup, Europa League, Paralympics, Sport Relief, Children in Need, Bank Holidays, I'm a Celeb, Britain's Got Talent, Christmas and anything else disrupting the transmission of soaps on television in 2012, by the end of the year, we will not have lost a single episode of EastEnders, Coronation St, Emmerdale or Hollyoaks.”
“The main reason is to avoid screwing up the production schedules. Any soap will have a few weeks' worth of episodes being filmed at any one time, so if you start picking off an episode here, or a week or two there, you mess up the production patterns, and you don't save any money because people are still having to come into work every day to film the episodes due on either side of whatever sporting event it is.
That's why despite the Jubilee, Olympics, Euro 2012, Champions League, FA Cup, Europa League, Paralympics, Sport Relief, Children in Need, Bank Holidays, I'm a Celeb, Britain's Got Talent, Christmas and anything else disrupting the transmission of soaps on television in 2012, by the end of the year, we will not have lost a single episode of EastEnders, Coronation St, Emmerdale or Hollyoaks.”
In all cases though those events are known plenty of time in advance to adjust production schedules accordingly. C4 won the rights to the Paralympics back in January 2010 - that's two years and eight months notice.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Is More4 launching in HD in time for the Paralympics? And if not why schedule any coverage on that channel as opposed to E4 which is available in HD?”
“Is More4 launching in HD in time for the Paralympics? And if not why schedule any coverage on that channel as opposed to E4 which is available in HD?
”
Because More4 is the natural place for it - that is effectively C42 and the channel they do use for the very little overspill of sport C4 have. Airing it on E4 would be as out of place as airing it on Film4 or 4Music would be.
Normal service resumes tomorrow. Any bets on how the England football friendly will do on Wednesday? I'm betting on 4.5 million as the national team in the English sense haven't played since their tedious quarter final and people will be interested to see what they can do.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Because More4 is the natural place for it - that is effectively C42 and the channel they do use for the very little overspill of sport C4 have. Airing it on E4 would be as out of place as airing it on Film4 or 4Music would be.”
“Because More4 is the natural place for it - that is effectively C42 and the channel they do use for the very little overspill of sport C4 have. Airing it on E4 would be as out of place as airing it on Film4 or 4Music would be.”
Admittedly, wouldn't have been difficult to make a similar argument with BBC2 vs BBC3 for their second channel of Olympics.
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