See, it's seems far more likely that Joey isn't Derek's son than Lauren not being Max's. We've heard Max and Tanya's history a hundred times over, it makes no sense to suddenly rewrite history for the sake of 2 weeks worth of episodes. On the other hand, it is feasible for Joey not to be Dereks son - though I'm confident he most definitely is - because we haven't known the characters that long; it wouldn't be such a joke if they edited Derek's family history..

I hope so! I have high hopes!


I think that was 2009 actually because I remember being at my friends 18th in February the following year when the live episode reveal aired. It was a nightmare trying to avoid spoilers all night

Fancying is one thing, love on the other hand.

He was still giving whitney the eye end of october!
And at Abi's party, I was the reading this thread and a few people mentioned how Joey made sure Lauren wasn't looking when he followed Whitney into the kitchen; if he was bothered and interested at that point, why would he need to kiss Whitney in the first place?

idk but maybe that is why Derek hates him so much but also so desperately wants him to be part of his life.

No, that was 2009. 2008 was when Archie and Suzy Branning revealed Amy's paternity in the Christmas cracker, and then on NYD there was the whole frozen lake drama.

it was 2009 yes, i remember now i can't remember what 2008 was tbh..

yeah i remember now.

oh yeah the frozen lake, i remember that.. the best two xmas episodes for me were 2007 and 2009 anything before 2007 is a bit hazy

I think the thing with Joey is that he had no idea that Lauren felt the same way. I've always thought he never really considered the possibility of them being together. Then on the day he spent with her helping her with the ad for the car lot, I think he saw a different side to her and possibly started liking her more but still not believing anything would happen. And then Lauren got jealous when she found out he'd kissed Whitney and Joey couldn't understand what was wrong with her. It wasn't until the handcuff scene that he realised she felt something for him too. But despite that, I honestly don't think he would have acted on it. It just so happened that when Lauren kissed him he realised that it wouldn't be so wrong.

That's just my thoughts. Think I probably analysed that a bit much. I'd love to hear other peoples views though!

I see what you mean, but how about this theory, he kissed whitney and purposefully told Lauren to see her reaction? And if she reacted it'd mean she felt something for him in return, and he was determined to get that reaction so they could take things further?

Why did he kiss whitney though and if he knew he had feelings for Lauren?

i agree with you, the feelings were definitely there in the first place with them, but they were/are cousins so they tried to ignore it.. neither realized that the other felt the same way until the handcuff scene.. and when Lauren kissed him Joey knew for sure that Lauren felt the same

i think he kissed Whitney because he knew he couldn't have Lauren and he didn't realise she felt the same... and he was bored with Lucy hehehe

I don't think I've seen any Xmas eps from before 2007 although I do know Pauline died Xmas 2006 or around about that time That's about it.

i saw 2006 episode.. now i think about it i don't think i saw none before that, but i remember Dennis getting stabbed around new year time in 2005 but i didn't watch the episode, so i think i might have seen xmas day episode 2005 but i don't recall what it was about.

Hmm. You reckon he didn't just got for Lauren because it meant a challenge and thrill? Idea of secretly seeing each other.

I agree with you on some david witts interview he said joey
Realised there was something between them on the handcuff scene. I think that's when he realised he had feelings for her. On every interview david witts does he keeps say its true love for joey.

Also, 22nd october, it seemed really easy for him to just tell Lauren he kissed Whitney. Confusing.

no i don't believe that. i think he generally loves her.. but then again he might have but then he fell in love with her and now its more than that

But after the handcuff scene, the next episode they both ignored the 'moment' they had and he mentioned being mates

Did he dump Lucy because he realised he has feelings for lauren? Thought he had them all along.
Sorry Im just trying to put the pieces together as I've just recently started to follow this SL. I think it's not been written very well.

"I don't mind the Laurey SL, what I find pathetic is how Lauren is soo in love with Joey and can't live without him after snogging him a few times. I know there was always chemistry there but to be that in love with someone, I just don't find it believable"

A post by someone on the main forum.

thats okay.. somethings you are saying do sound a bit odd but now is all that matters imo.

Lol odd because in this thread no one can burst the bubble?

Criticism and opinion is allowed. You can't just focus on the positives and ignore things.

Yep that's what I think. Joey thought he couldn't have Lauren and so saw no point in waiting around hoping for something that was unlikely to happen. Like you said, they are cousins, he probably thought he had absolutely no chance.


I noticed how Joey told Lauren he was going to break up with Lucy the episode after that park scene. So I do think he broke up with Lucy because of Lauren, but I think even without knowing Lauren felt the same way, he would have broken up with Lucy eventually.

I think there was something there for Joey the moment he met Lauren. If you watch his first episode back, his eyes lit up when he was talking to Lauren. I don't know why he went for Whitney though, I can't think of an explanation for that unfortunately. For Lauren, I think it just hit her

i meant odd as in the story/suddenly dumping Lucy/kissing Whitney/falling in love with Lauren all in a short space of time, not odd as in your saying odd this.

So guys, how do you think its going to unfold?