[vaslav37]

I personally cannot see the hysteria on here with regards to Cora being Sharon's birth Mum.

Cora was born in 1946 and Sharon probarly in 1966 or 1967 this means that Cora was 21 when she gave birth to Sharon- my view is that Cora was probarly raped and that Sharon was a result of that rape and she could not handle bringing the child up.

However with Sharon returing and Cora the new Matriarch on the Square the idea that Cora is Sharon's Mother is something I welcome.

We all know that Carol Hanley was supposed to be her birth mum but this can be rectified.

EE fans like to think that Angie was Sharon's Mum and she was but I think over time Sharon and Cora will bond. I personally cannot wait for some very strong emotional scenes from Ann Mitchell and Letita Dean if this turns out to be true...and I for one hope that Lorraine Newman goes with this storyline that Sharon Watts was born Ava Anderton...

[FallingPiano]

Because we really needed another thread on this.

[vaslav37]

yes we do...

[John Ferrier]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

I personally cannot see the hysteria on here with regards to Cora being Sharon's birth Mum.

Cora was born in 1946 and Sharon probarly in 1966 or 1967 this means that Cora was 21 when she gave birth to Sharon- my view is that Cora was probarly raped and that Sharon was a result of that rape and she could not handle bringing the child up.

However with Sharon returing and Cora the new Matriarch on the Square the idea that Cora is Sharon's Mother is something I welcome.

We all know that Carol Hanley was supposed to be her birth mum but this can be rectified.

EE fans like to think that Angie was Sharon's Mum and she was but I think over time Sharon and Cora will bond. I personally cannot wait for some very strong emotional scenes from Ann Mitchell and Letita Dean if this turns out to be true...and I for one hope that Lorraine Newman goes with this storyline that Sharon Watts was born Ava Anderton...

Sorry but no it is not, i can remember the history of the show and this just shits all over it big time.

[vaslav37]

lets agree to disagree at the end of the day what Lorraine Newman decides and her team will happen and there is nothing we can do about it...

[Tom_Willis]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

lets agree to disagree at the end of the day what Lorraine Newman decides and her team will happen and there is nothing we can do about it...

Precisely and this is a forum for discussion. People are allowed to speculate on here. Right now, I reckon Sharon could be Cora's daughter but maybe in a few weeks time, that will change. Who knows and who really cares? It's just a case of having an opinion. Which is the whole point of these forums!

I reckon Cora and Sharon would be believable as mother and daughter. There is a dominant strength in both of them and there is a resemblance. Both are blonde with the same shape face.

[vaslav37]

I agree with you Tom...

[EEFanatic]

This is Sharon's Mum.
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/we-love-te...ngie120210.jpg

This is Sharon's Real Mum.
http://talkwalford.co.uk/wiki/images...arolhanley.jpg

This is not Sharon's Real Mum.
http://images.wikia.com/eastenders/i...CoraCross1.jpg

Carol Hanley's Wikipedia Page

Carol Ann Hanley (née Stretton), played by Sheila White, is the biological mother of Sharon Watts (Letitia Dean), who appears in 1990 having been tracked down by Sharon. Sharon's best friend Michelle Fowler (Susan Tully) visits Carol, who is heavily pregnant with her second son; fathered by her husband Ron. Michelle speaks to them about contacting Sharon after years of absence. Sharon later visits Carol after her baby is born. Carol and Sharon get on well, but Carol is anxious about introducing Sharon to her two half-brothers; Chris and Jonathan. After Carol's confession that she only thinks of her as a good friend, Sharon realises there will never be a parental bond between them and stops seeing her.

Carol's huuband was Ron not Bill, Cora was not or never Carol. Carol did not have Two Girls name Tanya and Rainie, she hd two Sons named Chris and Johnathan. Did they suddenly get a Sex Change to become Tanya and Rainie? No.

[vaslav37]

lets wait and see...

[MarcoRossi]

Sharon and Cora may be belieavable as mother and daughter, but the coincidence is way too far fetched

[felixrex]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

I personally cannot see the hysteria on here with regards to Cora being Sharon's birth Mum.

Cora was born in 1946 and Sharon probarly in 1966 or 1967 this means that Cora was 21 when she gave birth to Sharon- my view is that Cora was probarly raped and that Sharon was a result of that rape and she could not handle bringing the child up.

My view is that Sharon's mother is Carol bloody Hanley and she has nothing to do with Cora or her mystery daughter whatsoever.

However with Sharon returing and Cora the new Matriarch on the Square the idea that Cora is Sharon's Mother is something I welcome.

We all know that Carol Hanley was supposed to be her birth mum but this can be rectified.

Well we all know that Peggy was 'supposed' to be Phil and Grant's mum so lets 'rectify' that too. Let's make it.... hmmm... Zainab, instead. That'd be cool.

EE fans like to think that Angie was Sharon's Mum and she was but I think over time Sharon and Cora will bond. I personally cannot wait for some very strong emotional scenes from Ann Mitchell and Letita Dean if this turns out to be true...and I for one hope that Lorraine Newman goes with this storyline that Sharon Watts was born Ava Anderton...

And I, for one, hope that Lorraine Newman; having worked on the show for over twenty years and knowing Sharon's backstory inside out - even being the mastermind behind Sharongate -; would have more respect for viewers who actually care about continuity and consistency and would rather not have established facts contradicted every time the writers can't employ their writing skills and do something that isn't so predictable, improbable and totally retconned.

[Rose-Addict]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

EE fans like to think that Angie was Sharon's Mum and she was but I think over time Sharon and Cora will bond. I personally cannot wait for some very strong emotional scenes from Ann Mitchell and Letita Dean if this turns out to be true...and I for one hope that Lorraine Newman goes with this storyline that Sharon Watts was born Ava Anderton...

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. If the producers go down that route, it'll be the most melodramatic, contrived storyline in years, with Sharon being used as a plot device to boost Cora's profile. I'd rather Sharon fly the flag for the Watts than become involved with the Brannings.

[NeutronstarNeko]

Originally Posted by MarcoRossi

Sharon and Cora may be belieavable as mother and daughter, but the coincidence is way too far fetched

this

if they were going to make sharon coras daughter why not just have that as her return storyline and not this whole wedding/kidnapping thing they are going with?

why would tanya find the birth certificate and then a few weeks later have that long lost sister arrive in a totally unrelated yet equally as farfetched story?!

[Pompeygeek]

Shirley is the secret daughter.

[Lousiana]

Originally Posted by John Ferrier

Sorry but no it is not, i can remember the history of the show and this just shits all over it big time.

Not as bad as Collinson sh*tting over 30 years worth of Corrie history with the recent Annie Walker owned the Rovers and left it to Betty crap. I think I would rather see a few months worth of storylines changed than over 30 years which is the biggest retcon in soap history.

I remember the original story where Sharon tracked down her mother, it lasted a few months in 1990, during which we only saw her real mother a few times. I am not in favour of them doing it but if the writers wanted to retcon Cora into being that mother then there are plausible ways in which they could do it. People are hyping up the original Sharon-tracks-down-her-mother story to be more than it was. At the time it was a plot device off the back of the body being discovered in the canal, they seemed to just drop it after a few months with Carol Hanley never being mentioned since.

It's no different to Leanne Battersby's real mother in Corrie being known as Davina for years before we found out it was Stella.

[Sprite123]

Agree with the nature of this thread, but reading some of these posts I must say is getting excessively drawn in - I would suggest time-delay.

Anyway, here's hoping EE take this in the direction that is going to appease it's loyal supporters.

[vald]

I would assume that Sharon has her birth certificate which would give her the details of her parentage.
Why would Cora have the birth certificate of a child she had given up, surely it would have to be handed over to the authorities to be given to the child when they become an adult.

[PrincessPerfect]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

I personally cannot see the hysteria on here with regards to Cora being Sharon's birth Mum.

The hysteria is that Sharon's biological history has already been established in this respect; it does need to be messed with. It is set twenty years in stone, and is apart of EastEnders history. It is massive, because it is the biological roots of one of EastEnders' biggest icons, Sharon Rickman and she was one of the original twenty-three cast members.

Cora was born in 1946 and Sharon probarly in 1966 or 1967 this means that Cora was 21 when she gave birth to Sharon- my view is that Cora was probarly raped and that Sharon was a result of that rape and she could not handle bringing the child up.

That's a retcon. It doesn't matter wherther Cora could have plausibly had Sharon because she was xyz age (btw, Sharon is born in 1969, not either 1966 or 1967 - So Cora would have been twenty-two/twenty-three at the time of Sharon's birth). What matters is that Sharon's biological history was a case closed, as a result of the collaspe of parent's marriage, and afterwards Den's death Sharon decided to search out her biological parents.

It doesn't even matter if Carol Hanley wasn't a big character - no one has made up this storyline to be one of biggest storylines of the early 1990s. It's not even like Den's death; in which his return was stated as a 'jump shark'' moment by some - at least it was known at the time of Den's death that the producers ended it that way so Den could return (thus Holland and Smith left the show, because of the disagreement with the BBC) so it wasn't a retcon. This, is a massive retcon - it stands as one of the biggest, if not the biggest retcon in Soap history.

However with Sharon returing and Cora the new Matriarch on the Square the idea that Cora is Sharon's Mother is something I welcome.

Cora is not the new matriach; she's an ASBO Granny, a nosey parker and poor mum, and last but not least, a hyprocrite who has showed no ounce of being a wise old woman, who has learned many of life's lesson, with history to the square which gives her licencse to lecture anyone, in the way Pat and Peggy, and Lou - the real matriachs and battleaxes did. And no, as an EastEnders fan for more than ten years, I do not welcome any more retconning' of its history, let alone making Cora Sharon's mum.

We all know that Carol Hanley was supposed to be her birth mum but this can be rectified.

*breathes*
Recitified? It is not a rectification. There is nothing wrong in Carol Hanley being Sharon's mother. In fact, as felixrex stated on another thread, the producers actually went out to deliberately cast Carol Hanley, as someone with a clear resemblance to Letitia Dean - and the actress who played Carol Hanley, has far more of a resemblence to Letitia Dean, than Ann Mitchell, who plays Cora Cross.

EE fans like to think that Angie was Sharon's Mum and she was but I think over time Sharon and Cora will bond. I personally cannot wait for some very strong emotional scenes from Ann Mitchell and Letita Dean if this turns out to be true...and I for one hope that Lorraine Newman goes with this storyline that Sharon Watts was born Ava Anderton..

Angie was Sharon's mum. Angie was the woman who brought Sharon up, Cora Cross, is not. Cora Cross did not even manage to be a decent mother; one daughter is/was/whatever Raine is doing a drug addict, the other got lucky through a meal ticket to middle class status through having an affair with a married man. Cora, while her husband lay dying of cancer, was off clubbing; yet is lecturing Lola about motherhood. This is the woman, who recently got an ASBO for certain activities involving a young pregnant woman, and she has form in that too, with her treatment for Janine.

I hope, that Newman knows the ''code'' of EastEnders, the ethos which has been with EastEnders since it's inception, and doesn't betray that code, the code of Smith and Holland; the very reason why we have EastEnders here. A code, which many long-standing fans know, which is that the show is not a toy to be constantly retconned, because newer viewers like *said* character. Since we're going to retcon history, why not make Ian and Phil brothers? Why not state that Ian was adopted by Kathy and Pete, and Peggy was his real mum? Why not state that Den Watts wasn't really killed by Chrissie, and that's he's still alive (again?) Or hey, let's bring back the Kathy 'witness protection' theory - anything goes.......

[vaslav37]

sorry to disappoint you Princess...

Cora is the NEW MATRIARCH OF THE SQUARE...

BK proposed this when Peggy left.

[Bathsheba]

I really doubt that the producers have decided that Cora is Sharon's natural mother. This forum always thinks things like that are going to happen. Remember when a lot of DS soap FMs were convinced Lola was Mandy's daughter? And she wasn't...

I think Cora's daughter will be a new character that is mixed race but that's just a threory and I haven't heard any rumours.

[Harlowe]

No it would be shitting all over the history that has already been laid, yes the show continuity is questionable at the best of times but Sharon's birth mother has already been seen on the show I know it was a long time ago but still her back story has been established, it too easy and lazy to change and write Cora into it as her mother, I think this storyline will be separate hopefully!!

[PrincessPerfect]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

sorry to disappoint you Princess...

Cora is the NEW MATRIARCH OF THE SQUARE...

BK proposed this when Peggy left.

I'm not disappointed; Cora isn't the new matariach. Bryan Kirkwood is not only no longer with EastEnders (or even with the BBC, yep that's how bad he was - he didn't even get a job there, and other shite EPs - Berridege, Hutchinson, Harwood, have) but he's an EP in disrepute. His word means not a dime. EPs who are celebrated, like Yorke, Julia Smith, and Santer to a degree as well as Michael Ferguson, and Corrine Hollingworth get to have ideas which matter, and contribute to the show long-term.

[Lousiana]

Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect

Since we're going to retcon history, why not make Ian and Phil brothers? Why not state that Ian was adopted by Kathy and Pete, and Peggy was his real mum? Why not state that Den Watts wasn't really killed by Chrissie, and that's he's still alive (again?) Or hey, let's bring back the Kathy 'witness protection' theory - anything goes.......

All of this is speculation PP there is nothing concrete to say we are going to get a storyline where Cora turns out to be Sharon's mother.

But it is a bit different to the examples you gave - all of those characters have featured on screen over a number of years. Carol Hanley appeared in a filler storyline over 20 years ago with no mention of her either before or since. It would be a lot easier to change this part of Sharon's backstory/past than it would be to make Phil and Ian brothers.

I don't think it's going to happen though and wish the hysteria about this would die down. People could be getting themselves worked up about nothing.

[lotty27]

Originally Posted by EEFanatic

This is Sharon's Mum.
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/we-love-te...ngie120210.jpg

This is Sharon's Real Mum.
http://talkwalford.co.uk/wiki/images...arolhanley.jpg

This is not Sharon's Real Mum.
http://images.wikia.com/eastenders/i...CoraCross1.jpg

Carol Hanley's Wikipedia Page


Carol's huuband was Ron not Bill, Cora was not or never Carol. Carol did not have Two Girls name Tanya and Rainie, she hd two Sons named Chris and Johnathan. Did they suddenly get a Sex Change to become Tanya and Rainie? No.

Exactly!



No disrespect intended to anyone but just because someone is too young to have watched EE when Sharon's birth mother was revealed (or just wasn't watching it in those days or whatever) doesn't mean that the history of the show should be altered. I watched Carol Hanley, I remember the storyline and to even suggest changing it is insulting for people like me - and I bet there's quite a few of us.

I am aware that the PTB can ultimately do what they like but if they value their long term viewers, the one's who have stuck by them for 20 odd years, they will NOT mess around with the show's history in such a blatant manner



There. Got that off my chest

[felixrex]

Originally Posted by vaslav37

sorry to disappoint you Princess...

Cora is the NEW MATRIARCH OF THE SQUARE...

BK proposed this when Peggy left.

Oh well that settles it then.