That was my initial thought, but RTÉ/TG4 would be on 50-52, not 51-53. It looks more like the BBC HD channels aren't moving, but I'd be surprised if the BBC has appealed.

Likely to be a dead duck since S4C HD will close long before C5 HD stands a chance of launching. I'd have given S4C HD 108 myself.

I'd be very surprised if the BBC channels stayed put and the others moved to 103/104, which seems to be what you are suggesting.

Yes, that is also unlikely, but unless DMOL are expecting the appeals to be resolved by NI DSO that seems to be the case (given current evidence)

What a major cock-up this has been.

Still no retune messages in Sutton Coldfield (although they have been seen in one other region). Although now I can undestand why.

First they ARE moving the HD channels, now they are not

General Entertainment channels were moving, then not moving, now some are simply swapping around.

With less than a week to go, they change plans yet again.



What was the point of a consultation process when they are still effectively holding a consultation MkII. If they were open to appeals, then they should not have set a retune date until any appeals had been heard.

DMOL need to sort themselves out, because they are a shambles at the moment.

Where has it been said, in any remotely official way, that the HD channels are not moving?

Edit: Ah, just seen http://www.dmol.co.uk/Consultations, which does seem to confirm it, unless they've just forgotten about the HD moves. This is, without doubt, a shambles.

In Northern Ireland the RTÉ channels are going like this:

51 - TG 4
52 - RTÉ ONE
53 - RTÉ TWO

I imagine 51, 52 and 53 will remain blank across mainland GB and any new channels launching after The Jewellery Channel will launch on 54.

Argos TV has already been confirmed as 55.

What's going on 50 and 54 then I wonder...

Good to see Dave and Really are moving higher up the EPG and GOLD is moving down. But I thought it was stated that channels weren't allowed to move around like that by themselves and that's why the channels couldn't be put in a sensible order. But Channel 4 have moved their channels around and now UKTV is. So, is that rule breakable or whats stopping them re-ordering the channels then?

HD has got to move for NImuxes' sake. We await clarification from DMOL eagerly.

But not necessarily on 19th September and not necessarily the BBC HD channels, as previously hinted.

I read it that they would have to move by the 24th October.



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The DMOL cock-up is currently chaired by Alix Pryde the BBC director of distribution.

I guess an Adult channel appealed judging by their comments to the consultation.

50 & 54 could be replacements for split Al Jazeera.

Now I would have expected better from someone from the BBC no less.

dMOL is DUK Mk2 and they weren't renowned for getting the details right.

This from DigitalUK

So, in dribs and drabs, all becomes slightly clearer. What possible reason is there for delaying the HD and adult channel moves by another month?

None at all by the look of it.

Note though that the DUK statement says

" ... the following moves are expected to take place:"

So there is still room for a late change, as it looks like it has not been confirmed.

This will of course mean that Tyne Tees will have another retune three weeks after it's DSO Phase 2 retune, making 4 retunes between 12th Sept and 17th October!

It should have all been postponed. What will happen if phase 1 goes ahead and a disappointed appellant takes his case to Ofcom or the law courts?

What about Children's and News DMOL?

It also seems that Manchester local mux will be sharing LCNs with NIMux. That explains why 54 will not be available nationally.

HD renumbering may be to do with waiting for BBC Two HD to appear.

The whole exercise is appallingly bad practice

Marketplace ???

I wish that (on FreeviewHD equipment at least) the HD channels were given prominence over their SD equivalents.

I don't want to scroll all the way down the guide just to find them!

It gets delayed even more. I notice phase 2 doesn't mention Childrens' and News, so obviously they aren't expected that appeal to be resolved very quickly.

However, 4HD will be logically right next to the adult channels, so they've screwed up on the buffer there.


Yeah, local channel LCNs are reused in different localities. That was brought in in the recent consultation.


I was going to say the same thing. Another bloody shopping channel I guess

The shopping channels really need their own genre. Even start them at the 80's so they are still included with the general entertainment channels just now they are listed together and with the non-shopping channels having priority. They are in their own section on every other EPG on every other TV service. Why should Freeview be any different?

seems rather picky if that is the case, nowt wrong with BBC HD moving to 102 (it's only a number after all, no real tie between the channel number and BBC HD), and then becoming BBC Two HD in the course of time


Agreed, especially given the consultation period had already taken place.