Like JM said in the interview it is going to be a roller-coaster ride, and to be honest, I would have been very disappointed if it wasn't, I think the one thing that will build the breech in a way, bring them that little bit closer again is if Luc will reveal a bit more about why he is the way he is to Eddi. That way she may understand him a bit more, as would we all. Could be something about his mother or at least something to do with his past. He has touched briefly on his mother in Unsafe Haven, but not in great detail. It was more to do with why he finds himself safe in hospitals. I think deep emotion is the key.

Hello, this is a busy thread tonight! DillyP I've been thinking about your idea about Luc having a rare blood disorder & I think you could be into something! It would explain how he suddenly left without explaination i.e. before they fell too much in love so that he couldn't get out or hurt Eddie & he may have thought Eddi would eventually want a baby & he couldn't give her that because he has some genetic disorder that he doesn't want to pass on? Just putting it out there! In Luc's first episode he was very anti-babies & again Eddi mentioned it after thier first night together are these clues??

There seems to be a lot of chat today about Eddi being pregnant, I personally think that if she is it will be sjp that is expecting & not her character which is great news for her I think she already has one kid. I know this might not be popular with some of you & cliched but I would just love it if Eddi was pregnant with Luc's child I would love to see how Luc's hippy care free character would deal with being a Dad! But please if there is a pregnancy storyline let it not be a question of paternity between Luc & Max that would just be so cliched & the fact Luc walks in on Max & Eddi is enough of that!!!

I can't help feel sorry for Luc as he obviously is totally in love with her but struggling to accept the emotional roller coaster that is falling in love & he feels out of control of his emotions & doesn't know how to deal with it, either because he's not been in love properly before, or he has & it went so horribly wrong that he was so badly hurt he can't bear to go there again & when he saw that's where he was heading with Eddi he got out! Then comes back & realises he can't just ignore his feelings!

Of course I feel sorry for Eddi too, horrible being left in the lurch like that. The fact she is angry at him indicates that she still has feelings for him otherwise she woudn't react like that, so I suggest she will be angry first, then in denial re his suggestions about Max, then will realise he is right, Luc will open up a more about his past / previous relationships (maybe in the caravan!) & hey presto they are back but then I suspect there will be mega trust issues from Eddi that he won't disappear off again!

I reckon Eddi is around 30 & Luc must be late 30s.

Good news there will be lots of bumps along the way, we love it!

Best of luck with your new arrival dillyp the last weeks are the worst but you know that already if it's no.2

I think that yes, initially, that's what started it. Max was good-looking, sure of himself, and he was interested in her. She didn't have any reason not to, and she knew she was caught up on Luc and wanted to move on. Why not give it a go. She knows that Luc won't come back. She knows that because she knows him. (I know that he does come back, but I'm talking from her point of view, if no other factors held a hand - Sacha calling Luc - then he wouldn't have returned).

What matters is that she kept coming back. Why? Like you said, he's the opposite of Luc. The thing is, is he? On the surface, yes. Luc was very... precise, about his patients. He was obviously skilled, and he cared. Max is the opposite; he's happy to choose the easy way out, he does as little work as possible and his skills are questionable. I still want to know where he came from, that really is an itch at the back of my head. However, "emotional cripples and weirdos." Luc quite clearly fits the bill, but I kind of think Max does too. The only difference in that is Max's ability to manipulate those around him. The first comparison to come to mind, and don't kill me for this, is the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths. That's the psychology student in me being irritating.

When we first met Eddi, she liked to drink and 'let her hair down'. She was very sarcastic, but more than that, she was cynical. String of bad relationships from what I gather, and not in the typical sense. Bad in the sense that they weren't right. Like the policeman boyfriend we met, I believe he was 'too boring' for her, not really much of a challenge. Plain. Didn't understand her need for space. Then comes Luc. This could just be me, but from what I saw, when she and Luc were friends of sorts, was she drinking less? To me, it seemed that even though they spent a lot of time arguing, he had a positive effect on her. She also became less cynical. She found someone who she could connect with. Even if she really didn't want to admit it.

I wouldn't say that Eddi is only pretending to be happy with him. She obviously gets some excitement from it, and she would rather be with him than alone - I'm unsure where that stands to be honest. Before she met Luc, she had no problem being alone if she didn't like the guy, but I am not sure whether Luc has had that much of an impact on her that she is scared to be alone. So I'm on the fence there.

I think it is more a case of, happy enough. He's good enough. Eddi's not sad anymore, but that doesn't mean she is as happy as she could be.


Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to gauge how he would react. It's one of those situations where all the little details matter.

Oh Max is definitely an addict. I wouldn't say to one specific thing. Drugs, alcohol, sex possibly? I think he needs to be 'buzzed', and he'll do whatever it takes to get that. His ability to manipulate people helps him get what he wants. Ah, the depressants, damn, I actually believed him, he's a good liar. I don't know if that was a lie, or actually a truth to help cover up all his other lies, but I have little to go on there. The same to be said for his trouble at his last job. I would immediately think it was to do with missing drugs, however, that can't be. If he was a suspect, he wouldn't have been able to work in another hospital. And if he was a part of the investigation, and then drugs went missing at Holby too, then I doubt Hanssen would have just let it go.


I always disagree when people say that. There is no right or wrong answer. It's all about seeing everybody's opinions, and how they see the story in front of them playing out. Everyone see's different things, and see's a different story, and I love discussing the differences and similarities that people see.



I think Eddi needs a gesture. She thinks that Luc left because he got scared, or bored with her. She wants Luc, heck, she wants anyone, to prove that they want her. Especially at the moment. All anyone was saying was that she was being paranoid about being stitched up. It was a perfectly reasonable fear, and the people around her were only feeding it. She feels like she is being undermined in her job. Socially I get the impression that she's not been out with friends in a while, if she even has any away from the hospital, which I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't. She is obviously quite vulnerable and insecure at the moment, she needs to know somebody cares - But in a way that she can see. In her eyes, Max is helping her and Sacha is against her.

Eddi needs to know that Luc won't run away again, and I don't quite know what Luc needs yet - that answer can only really be given by letting us know what he is scared about, and why he left, which I doubt we'll get - at least not anytime soon.

If, as Hatz said earlier, Luc stays to push Max out, there will be a role reversal whereby Luc is trapped, and Eddi will have the freedom to leave. I kind of think that if that happens then Luc will begin to understand how Eddi felt, and maybe he finds a way to stop her from going with Max. (I actually want Max to get away with the drug stuff and just leave because Luc returns to take his job back. Then Luc would be forced to do something to stop Eddi from leaving.)

Lovely post Weeziey, yes genetic disorder could be a possibility. I like your analysis of why Luc acted the way he did.

I would love to see a storyline of Eddi expecting Luc's child, perhaps right now as they need to sort their thoughts out for. That would be so funny, Luc dealing with being be a Dad and no paternity issues.
Imagine a scenario, that they are still not together (yet) but Eddi is going through labour and Luc turns up there. He might be asking for a blood sample or analysing her stats, and I can see Eddi shouting at him. I can imagine a hilarious scenes along the lines when Mo was with Jac.

I just laughed out loud at that thanks! It would be like the Ribbons scene of labour but the two of the participants, I remember Luc saying that the lady in labour needed big gestures & he needed to step up, well now it's Luc's turn.... I can't help thinking these are signs would be great if they were

It would be good but JM said inside soap there is no reason to as why he left so that leaves us with not much but imagine Eddi having a child Luc with that woman was funny so him and Eddi would be brilliant! Xx

Woah! Lots of long post on here tonight! Not sure where to start!

I just love coming on here and reading everyones thoughts, makes me question my own and really think!

As for thier ages, I just thought they were the same as they're real ages. JM 38 SJP 36

As for pregnancy. Im not convinced. In my opinion she doesn't look any bigger/smaller [lets face it, scrubs are hardly flattering] I still think she is as tiny as ever. And even if she was...i reckon it would be SJP and not Eddi. If it were Eddi im sure we would have had a small insight into it by now... maybe sickness...a worried alone scene...etc. But I think she looks the same.. I have to disagree aswell, I dont think I'd like to see a pregnacy storyline...I'd get the feeling he was staying because he felt he had to.

JM just posted on his twitter "Here comes boldy" With a link to next weeks preview. Makes me think the hair is to do with the storyline....

As for Max, I surprised myself by how much I love his screen time. I too was shocked to see thier relationship not just drink and sex. But i mean they went to the cinema!! They are actually a normal couple...something Eddi clearly wants! A bit of normality!!

But I'd also like to see Max not get found out, else it'd make it easy for Eddi to make her mind up. If Max does get found out I'd like to see a scene where Luc is sort of "Ok my job here is done, I've helped her and now im off again" So then the choice becomes Eddi's of whether she wants him back in her life for good and whether he stays.
I reckon now he is back, he'd only leave again if he felt he wasn't wanted by Eddi.

I think deep down she will always have a soft spot for Luc, ok maybe she even loves him, but until he is willing to step up shes going to go elsewhere.

Regarding Luc and his wierdness/Issues I do like the thought of him being ill but at the same times I think again, it'd just make Eddi for sorry for him. And personally I dont want to see this relationship formed from guilt/feeling sorry/doing the right thing, like many are. It should be pure love. And at the moment it is, which is what I think makes it so appealing to us as viewers.

I had the Idea that maybe he aided his mothers suicide. Which is why in 'A Long Way Down' he got angry and said 'You Cant Take someone elses life!'
Perhaps, by doing this, he has trust issues with himself, which is why he cant trust others. Maybe all his research is trying to find a cure for his mother conditions..or perhaps he doesn't want to find a cure so he knows he did the right thing.... I dont know! So many possibilities!!

JM said that there is no answer for why he left we may never know xx

@ Kashei,
A top post mate, very interesting analogy, you got me thinking really deep here, ahha, psychology student, you will have a greater insight into their mindset I guess.

I am loving these discussions. I think once Luc is on the scene, we will have a clearer idea of what mindset this trio is going through at this moment in time and where they are heading regarding their future.

BTW, would you say Max has psychopath or sociopath like tendencies ( I am not talking murderous sense, more social interaction sense) ?

On the opinion of Max, do you think he knows about Luc and his relationship with Eddi or not? From the clip I would have said not, but by the end of the ep I'm sure he will. What do you guys think?

@ hatz,
I think many of us are on a roll tonight.
This story gets more fascinating as it is going along. I am sure HC producers 'eyes and ears' are reading our posts. I get a feeling there is a good vibe out there in twitter land, tumbir, forum discussions, tv programme about this Holby story.

I don't think he knows but maybe in the next episode perhaps.

@hatz interesting ideas, I'd forgotten someone had suggested his mothers suicide, if in fact she is dead & died if something nasty as you say soooo many possibilities & probably only a few answers but just a bit more explaination would be good !!

I was suggesting Max was the sociopath part. Of course, when I compared Luc and Max as a psychopath/sociopath, I didn't mean literally, but the part I was focusing on was the ability to 'fit' into society. Psychs tend to be obvious outsiders, have difficulty understand the feelings of others and unable to pretend to communicate well with them, whereas socios are manipulative and are very social, and in many cases are undetectable.

I found a rather interesting article recently which outlines the differences between the two (http://voices.yahoo.com/sociopath-vs...e-1906224.html, for anyone who is interested.)

Strangely enough, the more I think about it, the more Max strikes me as an actual sociopath.

It's a topic which greatly interests, and worries me. The only part I disagree about with studies into psy/sociopathy is that they "are unable to love, or actually care for others". But then again, that opinion is most certainly biased.

Edit: The only reason I got into Psychology is because I thought I might be good at it. I find the way people think fascinating, and I spend a lot of my time placing myself in the minds of fictional characters. It's actually quite sad. Sounds good online though, what with my long-ass posts So I totally already had a great grip on their mindset


I would say no. I think Max was being 'civil' to Luc in the clip, which means I'm pretty sure he doesn't know. I agree that he'll probably know by the end of the episode.

Well guys great chat tonight! All I can say its its another day closer to Tuesday now And we should be getting another spoiler tomorrow for october 2nd episode!

Also just watched the clip again...anyone noticed how when she says "What you really doing here?" The question is implying he has told her a reason which she doesn't believe, so is asking him again.

Also she has a genunie happy face after asking it like shes just laughed her head off ? Just me...? Im guessing his first answer to her question was massively sarcastic...

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Thank you so much for the link. I always got confused between the two definitions, there was so much information about the two but not a clear cut distinction for a lay person like myself.

From reading the definitions, I am also sensing that Max is a sociopath due to his normal but manipulative nature and Luc's personality seems to fit better in the psychopath category as he seems to be more of an outsider (living outside the community, isolated his campervan) and his difficulty communicating with people. Mind you, looking at his crew cut hair, he sort of looks scarily psycho in a way. Haha !

Think I am about to faint! I have (finally) watched the clip for next week (several times!) LEDDIE back on our screens, the world is whole again

Least we know we get at least two Leddie scenes (I'm sure there will be more!) And there both crackers!

I love Lucs naive/innocence about how his feeling affect people 'she's not always like this is she, just a bad day?' Like she's not going to act differently towards him after the way he treated her! Bless him

Not sure on the skin head, but he still looks fine! I like Eddis hair.

Not sure about the illness/blood disorder, good ideas but similar to Tara. I still think Lucs friends daughter has something to do with it.

Hurry up Tuesday!! (I don't often wish the weekend away!)

JMs done an interview????

Im willing to hurt SJP for her hair...not going to lie. Bloomin' gorgeous! Im just too scared to go that short!
We all do bang on about how lovely JM is....I feel we neglect how lovely SJP is
JM just posted the link to that clip on his twitter...he called it "Here come boldy"


If you go back a few pages, I pretty much wrote it out Its in this weeks inside soap, double page spread!

Lilster, don't faint, we need you on this thread, I have the smelling salts on standby.
He looks cool in his new skinhead attire but does looks rough like, he's been living the jungles of Borneo, even though its a field somewhere.

EDIT: I got to say Eddi's hair looks cool, she looks a kind sexy siren in a nurses uniform/scrubs. If Luc doesn't get smitten by her hair, he needs specs and then a brain scan.

She kind a looked happy to see him there but the previous scene, i thought she was giving him her 'eyes like daggers' look. Luc looked quite innocent looking, sort of feeling that he had missed her and felt guilty about leaving her. I hope there was some sarcastic banter.

Am sure this picture is from Holby filming as saw him in another pic with SJP wearing the same clothes...which frankly is worrying...What is he doing in that feild!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

EDIT::: IS THAT DRUGS IN HIS HAND!!!! Is this how far he goes to save Eddi..!!?!?

And well...I just fell in love after seeing this one.. *Sigh*

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

I don't think Max and Eddis relationship is that normal, yeah they went to the cinema, but she didn't let him stay over, which he was less than happy about.

Also I really hope Eddi isn't pregnant, a love triangle was bad enough, a 'who's the daddy' would kill Leddie for me!

@ hatz.
I like both.
He looks kind a rough, army tough guy in the first one. I wonder when the field scene is going to come, next series perhaps.
He is cool in this one too, he looks studently, or indie- guitar player in a indie rock band kind a guy, doing glastonbury in the 2nd pic.

EDIT: yes, it looks like drugs.

@Hatz, I have know idea how I missed the article you typed, I've just read it thanks for typing, you keep me up to date with all the Leddi gossip