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Old 02-08-2012, 23:01
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I'd be up for that I've never been to pride, not got anyone to go with either
This would be amazing, can you imagine?! CHRYEDIANS DO PRIDE!
It'd be awesome! I haven't been to Belfast Pride since 2007 but it was brill back then - I'm excited even though I'm going on my own this year Pride with Chryedians would be the best thing ever
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Old 02-08-2012, 23:05
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It'd be awesome! I haven't been to Belfast Pride since 2007 but it was brill back then - I'm excited even though I'm going on my own this year Pride with Chryedians would be the best thing ever
The closest I've been to going to pride is watching the pride ep of QAF Would love to go though, it looks loads of fun
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Old 02-08-2012, 23:09
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The closest I've been to going to pride is watching the pride ep of QAF Would love to go though, it looks loads of fun


I was chased by a couple of drag queens with a net last time I went..it was hilarious
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Old 02-08-2012, 23:21
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i'm at Manchester Pride this year! looking forward to it!

i've been going for years!

*proud Lesbian!*

hope everyone who is going or has been to a pride event this year: ENJOY!
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Old 02-08-2012, 23:28
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i'm at Manchester Pride this year! looking forward to it!

i've been going for years!

*proud Lesbian!*

hope everyone who is going or has been to a pride event this year: ENJOY!
Oooh when is Manchester Pride? Can't wait for the Belfast one - totally buying a t-shirt to piss my mum off
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Old 02-08-2012, 23:35
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i'm at Manchester Pride this year! looking forward to it!

i've been going for years!

*proud Lesbian!*

hope everyone who is going or has been to a pride event this year: ENJOY!
I just replied to your pm!
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Old 02-08-2012, 23:40
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There was some discussion earlier this week about disagreements in the LGBT community about marriage. This seemed to come out of the evident argument that Chryed are having about whether the legal recognition that they might seek for their relationship amounts to "marriage" or not. The exact terms of their disagreement aren't clear, of course, since we did not get to see how it developed.

The only disagreement I've seen in the community here (US) was some years ago, and it was about whether civil marriage was a good strategic choice, politically and socially, as a vehicle for legal recognition of our families and relationships. I've already talked about that at length.

I've not been privy to any significant disagreements within the community that match anything like Christian and Syed's evident argument. In fairness, I am not in close touch with the pulse of the UK LGBT community or political leadership (I read The Guardian semi-regularly and the Pink News occasionally).

There is a personal disagreement between our boys, but that I am not aware that it reflects any broad issue in the community in Britain. If I'm incorrect I would be interested in reading about it, so please feel free to point me toward articles, etc.
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:06
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:08
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There was some discussion earlier this week about disagreements in the LGBT community about marriage. This seemed to come out of the evident argument that Chryed are having about whether the legal recognition that they might seek for their relationship amounts to "marriage" or not. The exact terms of their disagreement aren't clear, of course, since we did not get to see how it developed.

The only disagreement I've seen in the community here (US) was some years ago, and it was about whether civil marriage was a good strategic choice, politically and socially, as a vehicle for legal recognition of our families and relationships. I've already talked about that at length.

I've not been privy to any significant disagreements within the community that match anything like Christian and Syed's evident argument. In fairness, I am not in close touch with the pulse of the UK LGBT community or political leadership (I read The Guardian semi-regularly and the Pink News occasionally).

There is a personal disagreement between our boys, but that I am not aware that it reflects any broad issue in the community in Britain. If I'm incorrect I would be interested in reading about it, so please feel free to point me toward articles, etc.
I think there is a bit of a debate going on and the writer of that episode with the argument Pete Lawson (aka Sir Pete, Awesome Lawson, etc) who is quite popular round here - can you tell? - is openly gay and lives in East London so we trust him with Chryed and he's usually pretty on top of what's going on in the community.

Its true that a lot of the time since 2005 CP's have often been called 'marriage' in order to push for the social recognition of same-sex legal unions but legally they are distinct. Most particuarly, marriage is by definition in terms of the law, about sexual monogamy, which does not suit all same-sex couples. CP's, unlike civil marriages are a-sexual and are not required to be consummated to be legally valid.

So you cannot annul a CP. Fatboy and Mercy's marriage was annulled. Essentially apart from the name, the main difference is basically nookie.

Not that Chryed should have a problem there. :sleep:

ETA: A bit off topic but after marriage equality I expect the next push will be to open CP's to heterosexual couples who would prefer a partnership to a marriage.
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:13
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It's time for bed for me.

Speak to you all tomorrow, and Love is Prevailing! xxx :yawn::sleep:
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:13
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Hello

Congrats on the OP ardchoile

Thank you Elphie for the TM screencaps

LOL at Johnny's tweet to Eamonn Holmes

John Partridge ‏@mustbejp

@EamonnHolmes Lovely to see you today, big kiss BRIAN!!! Xx


Thank you for the screencaps and video of TM.

Pretty indeed Thanks!

Johnny just hit 10,000 followers about an hour ago - and he's tweeted he will be posting more of his song soon
Thank you for the news about the song. Looking forward to hearing the rest of it soon.

Have not watched EE yet, but it sounds like a good ep

Goodnight Starfish
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:25
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There was some discussion earlier this week about disagreements in the LGBT community about marriage. This seemed to come out of the evident argument that Chryed are having about whether the legal recognition that they might seek for their relationship amounts to "marriage" or not. The exact terms of their disagreement aren't clear, of course, since we did not get to see how it developed.

The only disagreement I've seen in the community here (US) was some years ago, and it was about whether civil marriage was a good strategic choice, politically and socially, as a vehicle for legal recognition of our families and relationships. I've already talked about that at length.

I've not been privy to any significant disagreements within the community that match anything like Christian and Syed's evident argument. In fairness, I am not in close touch with the pulse of the UK LGBT community or political leadership (I read The Guardian semi-regularly and the Pink News occasionally).

There is a personal disagreement between our boys, but that I am not aware that it reflects any broad issue in the community in Britain. If I'm incorrect I would be interested in reading about it, so please feel free to point me toward articles, etc.
I think the marriage thing could reflect from a few things, and it could be a reference to the civil partnership to civil marriage debate that's going through review now.

Christian seems to believe that civil partnership is equal to marriage.

Syed on the other hand, does not. This could be for many reasons but a few of the key ones seem to be.

- It's not a marriage until the word marriage is legally involved. Thus Syed would consider a civil marriage a marriage. This might become available eventually, it's currently under review.

- It's not a marriage unless there's a faith element. This won't happen if the main churches have their way. Some religious organisations have indicated they would like to perform same sex marriages but it was taken out of the legislation proposed.

- It's not a marriage if it's between two people of the same sex. This one is unfortunate. I've met a few people at the LGBT society at my university who are also people of faith, they believe that any union between two people of the same sex is lesser than one between two people of the opposite sex. Of course, it isn't only members of the LGBT community or people of faith who believe this.

Basically, I have no idea and we'll probably never know why Syed doesn't consider a civil partnership, though we could have a good idea.

Everyone seems to have an opinion on this. I don't know which way the civil marriage review is going to go.

I don't even know if this makes sense. It's late. I don't have any articles about it either. I could google, but I think I'm going to go to bed instead.
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:26
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Gary Lucy's got a guest role in EE as a "mischievous city banker" called Danny Pennant, arriving in September. I think I remember him on the Bill!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...y-pennant.html
I just saw DS tweeting this. Seem a bit of a strange time to announce it? Or maybe it was announced earlier and I missed it.

This must be Newman's first new character then? It will be interesting to see how he shapes up.
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:30
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Gary Lucy's got a guest role in EE as a "mischievous city banker" called Danny Pennant, arriving in September. I think I remember him on the Bill!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...y-pennant.html
My first soap crush <3 Luke Morgan <3

Is there any Chryed news please?
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:33
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I just saw DS tweeting this. Seem a bit of a strange time to announce it? Or maybe it was announced earlier and I missed it.

This must be Newman's first new character then? It will be interesting to see how he shapes up.
I don't know, first I've heard of it! Wonder if he's connected to Carly at all?

My first soap crush <3 Luke Morgan <3

Is there any Chryed news please?
Afraid not, unless you don't already know that Christian's in Tuesday's ep and Chryed are both in Thursday's?
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:36
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I think the marriage thing could reflect from a few things, and it could be a reference to the civil partnership to civil marriage debate that's going through review now.

Christian seems to believe that civil partnership is equal to marriage.

Syed on the other hand, does not. This could be for many reasons but a few of the key ones seem to be.

- It's not a marriage until the word marriage is legally involved. Thus Syed would consider a civil marriage a marriage. This might become available eventually, it's currently under review.

- It's not a marriage unless there's a faith element. This won't happen if the main churches have their way. Some religious organisations have indicated they would like to perform same sex marriages but it was taken out of the legislation proposed.

- It's not a marriage if it's between two people of the same sex. This one is unfortunate. I've met a few people at the LGBT society at my university who are also people of faith, they believe that any union between two people of the same sex is lesser than one between two people of the opposite sex. Of course, it isn't only members of the LGBT community or people of faith who believe this.

Basically, I have no idea and we'll probably never know why Syed doesn't consider a civil partnership, though we could have a good idea.

Everyone seems to have an opinion on this. I don't know which way the civil marriage review is going to go.

I don't even know if this makes sense. It's late. I don't have any articles about it either. I could google, but I think I'm going to go to bed instead.
This does make sense! Door No.1 is a thing that some people think is a technicality, but the Scottish Government was once called the 'Scottish Executive' and popular opinion was it made it sound less governmental thus consolidating 'proper' government in Westminster who got to use the word 'government' in their own job description...until the SNP got elected and decided to call a spade a spade.

Personally though I think Door No.2 is probably Syed's main reason for not calling it marriage. As a man of faith I wouldn't be at all surprised if he considers 'marriage' a union under God and the legal stuff just a technicality. Different religion, but I have a cousin who, completely honestly, had his second marriage referred to as 'not a proper marriage' by my aunt because it was outside their faith. (Kind of a conversation stopper at family get togethers! )

Door No. 3 is an option too though, since Syed thought initially that they couldn't be proper parents since they were both guys. Silly Syed.
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:49
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Gary Lucy's got a guest role in EE as a "mischievous city banker" called Danny Pennant, arriving in September. I think I remember him on the Bill!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...y-pennant.html
I wonder if he has anything to do with Carly's return? she's supposed to be returning for a short storyline in September too.

although my first thought was that maybe he's one of Syed's old one night stands and he pays Syed a handsome sum of money to keep quiet about it and this is how Syed gets out of the tat stall. but then I remembered that Syed's not a Branning, Moon or Mitchell :sleep:

and speaking of the tat stall, isn't Janine still involved with it? and she's a millionairess, surely she could bail them out?!
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Old 03-08-2012, 00:59
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I don't know, first I've heard of it! Wonder if he's connected to Carly at all?



Afraid not, unless you don't already know that Christian's in Tuesday's ep and Chryed are both in Thursday's?
I wonder if he has anything to do with Carly's return? she's supposed to be returning for a short storyline in September too.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:13
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Interesting discussion about CP and marriage.

I still cannot get my head around the fact that Syed seems to have changed his mind about the term marriage- Christian asked Syed to marry him and he said yes and looked delighted when Christian called him husband. Then Syed told his Mum and Dad and later everyone at the engagement party that he and Christian were getting married. He even told Amira that he wanted a divorce to marry Christian in January.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:15
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I wonder if he has anything to do with Carly's return? she's supposed to be returning for a short storyline in September too.

although my first thought was that maybe he's one of Syed's old one night stands and he pays Syed a handsome sum of money to keep quiet about it and this is how Syed gets out of the tat stall. but then I remembered that Syed's not a Branning, Moon or Mitchell :sleep:

and speaking of the tat stall, isn't Janine still involved with it? and she's a millionairess, surely she could bail them out?!
When I read that he is "desired and envied by both men and women" I got irrationally worried for a second that he'd be arriving to split up Chryed But never really thought it could be one of Syed's one night stands - I'd love it if it was though!

Yeah, I thought she was....maybe she does if they don't win the competition? I can't see EE just dropping the issue of the money if they lose...okay, I can, but it would be silly considering how much of a state Syed got in over it. So either they win the baby comp and get the money, or lose and have to find the money elsewhere, or Syed lets the business go and takes on the AB

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Old 03-08-2012, 01:24
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Interesting discussion about CP and marriage.

I still cannot get my head around the fact that Syed seems to have changed his mind about the term marriage- Christian asked Syed to marry him and he said yes and looked delighted when Christian called him husband. Then Syed told his Mum and Dad and later everyone at the engagement party that he and Christian were getting married. He even told Amira that he wanted a divorce to marry Christian in January.
I think maybe Syed was either being pedantic or referring to the religious aspect and how he personally doesn't see it as a marriage without having it blessed in Islam (so basically what Gabriel said).

Maybe up until recently he didn't actually think about this aspect when he used the term marriage - and before simply used it more generally to mean making a commitment to Christian. But then when they discussed plans, the issue came up and Syed realised he couldn't get married in the eyes of his faith. I absolutely think Syed still wants to marry Christian to make that commitment/declaration of love, but is maybe frustrated that he can't involve his faith.

I am glad Pete mentioned the issue, but more discussion at some point about how Syed really feels about it would be nice, EE!
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:36
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Congrats ardchoile on getting the OP
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:46
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:57
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Thanks for all the pics and info today

Congrats ardchoile on getting the OP
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:58
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I think maybe Syed was either being pedantic or referring to the religious aspect and how he personally doesn't see it as a marriage without having it blessed in Islam (so basically what Gabriel said).

Maybe up until recently he didn't actually think about this aspect when he used the term marriage - and before simply used it more generally to mean making a commitment to Christian. But then when they discussed plans, the issue came up and Syed realised he couldn't get married in the eyes of his faith. I absolutely think Syed still wants to marry Christian to make that commitment/declaration of love, but is maybe frustrated that he can't involve his faith.

I am glad Pete mentioned the issue, but more discussion at some point about how Syed really feels about it would be nice, EE!
My guess is that Christian wants to call a CP a marriage for emotional (and perhaps political) reasons.

I agree, Jenn, that Syed is either being pedantic or it's a religious issue for him or both.

BIB: I wouldn't count that a certainty. A French imam married two men in an Islamic ceremony within the last year. It's not likely, but it's not impossible. Especially if Zainab decides to shanghai an imam into it for her son's sake!
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