[Sun Tzu.]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

And there's the old deflection again!

Can't you see what he's done? To win in comparison to the others, and he's played and played and played on it. You've all bought it.

"Maybe they think the gameplan is morals?", he said it. That IS his gameplan, accelerated since face to face noms and intensified since he was saved to hammer home harder who the heroes and villains were. He didn't get nicer with his 'acceptance' he got NASTIER.

To be the hero to the villains, and you lot can't let the halo slip now or you've been tricked.

This is emotional manipulation on its most basic level, and it works so very well.

He won't win but what is wrong with him wanting to be on TV as a chef? Deana will win the show.

[1fab]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

And there's the old deflection again!

Can't you see what he's done? To win in comparison to the others, and he's played and played and played on it. You've all bought it.

"Maybe they think the gameplan is morals?", he said it. That IS his gameplan, accelerated since face to face noms and intensified since he was saved to hammer home harder who the heroes and villains were. He didn't get nicer with his 'acceptance' he got NASTIER.

To be the hero to the villains, and you lot can't let the halo slip now or you've been tricked.

This is emotional manipulation on a most basic level, and it works so well.

But can't you see that people really like Luke A regardless of any of this stuff you keep saying? Why do you keep trying to stir up antipathy towards him?

[singlefish]

what a silly thread

[muggins14]

I do recall several of them talking about TV, one specific conversation was Ashleigh, Shev, Luke S .. probably some others ... talking about reality TV shows and romances after BB. They mentioned JJJ and their TV shows, the implication being that they would be able to do the same (Ash & Luke S). I personally thought it was hysterical

I imagine many chefs fancy being a TV chef.

I see Lauren's done NUTS

Benedict's got himself a part in a play probably from being on BB (doubt it hindered him as it's a naked play )

Deana, I'm sure, is hoping to gain something on the back of BB.

Becky wants to do a panto - well that'd be an amibition that could be helped by being on BB.

Arron's got a regular bit on Penwith Radio - you take what you can lol

They all will take whatever they can get (within reason), it's the reason they are there.

[Sun Tzu.]

They all go on the show in the HOPE they get get something for it. The fact Luke A is being slagged off on this thread is a disgrace.

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by 1fab

But can't you see that people really like Luke A regardless of any of this stuff you keep saying? Why do you keep trying to stir up antipathy towards him?

To point out the obvious, tired of him being painted as butter wouldn't melt and excuse after excuse while other housemates get ripped to shreds over the tiniest of things.

And also to explain how is it very easy to dislike him for how he has behaved in the house, and that his big secret doesn't come into it apart from how he has cynically played on it. The insinuations about why people must dislike him are just as bad as those who do use it as a reason to dislike him. It's not seeing past it, either way round. I just see Luke A.

And Luke A has been very easy to dislike these last few weeks, it's gone past just being dull and miserable into something a lot more calculated. That rubs me up the wrong way.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

..
I really don't think any housemate over 13 series has ever turned down tv work.
...

Haven't both Rachel and Aaron turned down opportunities for BB-related tv work?

And for all we know, lots of HMs have turned down tv work.

None of them, which is clearly why BBOTS showed them. At least none of them came over as badly as Luke S did in his.

That looks like the myth that no HM is like their audition VT.

Originally Posted by Ida_Raine

That. Though it's weird that Luke has never mentioned it once. Surely if you had a dream you'd be bursting at the seams to talk about it? Perhaps he just doesn't believe it would ever happen?

Not if you know BB viewers dislike wannabes.

[VerucaSalts]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.

He wants to be on TV, so bloody what. What is this thread all about? What is wrong with him wanting to get on TV?

Especially since they are actually already on TV? I mean, they are already on a TV show and have been for the past couple months.

But yeah, I don't really see what the problem is. He'd love to be a TV chef. Why not? I'm sure most people (who are chefs) would love that chance.

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by VerucaSalts

Especially since they are actually already on TV? I mean, they are already on a TV show and have been for the past couple months.

But yeah, I don't really see what the problem is. He'd love to be a TV chef. Why not? I'm sure most people (who are chefs) would love that chance.

TV chef vs. acceptance from the Great British Public.

Hmmmm, which is the better sales-pitch? And why have we never heard about it?

No one is more aware of the game, and worried about how he is coming across than Luke A. The meltdown over being caught out by bitching about Becky, and the conflicting message between being sorry for hurting someone he'd happily hurt the week before yet still trying to say he was justified in doing it to remain the hero summed it up beautifully.

Becky and Luke A are both actors. One bad, one quite good when wrapped in 'nice' packaging and a fine line in backstory.

Genuine my arse.

[VerucaSalts]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

TV chef vs. acceptance from the Great British Public.

Hmmmm, which is the better sales-pitch? And why have we never heard about it?

Well, we don't have Live Feed so we have no way of knowing he's never mentioned it in his late night talks with Lauren, Adam and Dean. But I don't really care if he hasn't. It's something he'd love to do. There are tons of things I'd love to do but don't feel the need to tell the whole world. Plus, I think it's pretty much a given all of them would love to do something in the media. They wouldn't be there otherwise. It's Big Brother.

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by Cara-mae

and your point is what ?

It's that he bangs on about being there to enjoy himself but in reality he wants to have a TV career....all of this wannabe crap is just cringeworthy.

And Luke A's mate had the nerve to attack HM's who are ,ike extras of TOWIE, meaning no doubt that they want some TV fame themselves.

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by VerucaSalts

Well, we don't have Live Feed so we have no way of knowing he's never mentioned it in his late night talks with Lauren, Adam and Dean. But I don't really care if he hasn't. It's something he'd love to do. There are tons of things I'd love to do but don't feel the need to tell the whole world. Plus, I think it's pretty much a given all of them would love to do something in the media. They wouldn't be there otherwise. It's Big Brother.

Yep, just cut off the explanation to answer the beginning bit.

How about tackling the trickier questions about his behaviour?

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by singlefish

what a silly thread

Why is it a silly thread? is Luke A beyond any form of negativity on here.?

[south bank]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

TV chef vs. acceptance from the Great British Public.

Hmmmm, which is the better sales-pitch? And why have we never heard about it?

No one is more aware of the game, and worried about how he is coming across than Luke A. The meltdown over being caught out by bitching about Becky, and the conflicting message between being sorry for hurting someone he'd happily hurt the week before yet still trying to say he was justified in doing it to remain the hero summed it up beautifully.

Becky and Luke A are both actors. One bad, one quite good when wrapped in 'nice' packaging and a fine line in backstory.

Genuine my arse.

You make some very good and valid points, but sadly wasted on this crowd, imo

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by south bank

You make some very good and valid points, but sadly wasted on this crowd, imo

Thanks, this is my last effort with it really, the bits of the Jigsaw are all in place now. He was much harder to work out than the others, mainly to explain what exactly was going on and what was motivating it. I wouldn't try and explain it so much if I didn't feel this level of emotional manipulation and grab for sympathy shouldn't have a light shone on it and at least questioned.

It is not what BB should be about just to win some money, but I'm more interested in Andy now anyway

[SnowStorm86]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Why is it a silly thread? is Luke A beyond any form of negativity on here.?

If Deana's friend said she wanted a Tv career would you be equally outraged? Just wondering.

[TerryM22]

Originally Posted by carlos_b_fly

God yeah, I cringed at that part. Not what he should have said lol

Its amazing how many times Luke A has been exposed, no wonder his chances have evaporated.

[the pieman]

i dont think it'll harm his chances in the slightest. dont think theres a tunnocks snowballs chance in beckys lunchbox that he'll become a tv chef though

[VerucaSalts]

Originally Posted by Bananafish

Yep, just cut off the explanation to answer the beginning bit.

How about tackling the trickier questions about his behaviour?

Okay. I actually think all of them are playing a game and not being their genuine selves. They are a fairly dislikable bunch. Some are more genuine than others, though, and I think Luke is actually trying to be a good person. Is it to win? I'd say yes and no. I do think he's a nice guy in real life to be honest. And I'm sure Becky isn't as obnoxious in real life as she's coming across on TV.

EDIT: I will add that I don't see a massive problem with playing the game, but I'm also originally from America and am used to the BBUSA format.

[TerryM22]

Originally Posted by Videostar

Why is it a silly thread? is Luke A beyond any form of negativity on here.?

Apparently so.

[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by dillan

Another reason why he desperately wants to win.

Just what I thought. Nobody is innocent. They all have some angle. So to make Luke as some kind of hero is naieve.
Adam to win.

[Jennyloo]

Originally Posted by Reality Sucks

Reminded me of Harry going on about Aaron's gameplan last year. (However, Aaron still won) .) Didn't Aaron have another friend who nearly screwed his chances too?

Wish he had. You talk about the white room guys getting some money. Aaron was the most devious sod going but the GBP REWARDED HIM FOR IT.

[Bananafish]

Originally Posted by VerucaSalts

Okay. I actually think all of them are playing a game and not being their genuine selves. They are a fairly dislikable bunch. Some are more genuine than others, though, and I think Luke is actually trying to be a good person. Is it to win? I'd say yes and no. I do think he's a nice guy in real life to be honest. And I'm sure Becky isn't as obnoxious in real life as she's coming across on TV.

EDIT: I will add that I don't see a massive problem with playing the game, but I'm also originally from America and am used to the BBUSA format.

Yeah, I think it very much comes down to where you personally draw a line on what is acceptable to do to win a game. But even putting aside the call for acceptance and the grab for sympathy based on his life outside the house there is a BIG problem here still with Luke A.

Making it all about morals, good versus evil, then lying constantly from getting into the show, to about his behaviour "I never bitch", to his real feelings about hurting Becky which he contradicted and was clearly upset about how he was being perceived not her. "I didn't come on here to be portrayed as an arsehole".

That last line, the arsehole one, is so VERY telling. It's admitting himself that he wanted to be in control of how he was perceived, and the reason he also said he then wanted to leave was because he'd LOST control of that. He wasn't, and isn't being himself, he's doing and saying what he thinks gives him the best chance of winning. At all times. And it went into overdrive and in conflicting directions the week he was first put up. Since being saved, and finally hearing those all important cheers to him, he started hammering the hero vs. villain line to death. Casting himself as the hero, which is why people find it so hard to see or accept any faults in him. Or if they do they excuse him, he's still the hero see!

When he said "Maybe they think the gameplan is morals?" that was a guilty conscience from lying about it before saying he didn't have a gameplan. It was in his head, and verbalising it was absolving him of some guilt for lying. The internal justification is that it's not QUITE so bad if you say it rather than not say it. Even if you don't admit it.

When your gameplan is morals, and you lie so much, you've lost the game for me.

[BROXI BEAR]

Originally Posted by Videostar

"Luke would like to work on TV"

Oh dear.

You say that like it's a bad thing ffs!

[the pieman]

im sure theyre all hoping for something out of bb but i doubt any of them have handed in their notice in expectation

when i think about it, i reckon benedicts been the most desperate for a career in the spotlight. ironic when you remember he had a rant about the others being wannabes