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Old 04-08-2012, 00:21
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I was just having a little think about this...

I'm thinking

BB8 - Eric
BB9 - Same I guess
BB10 - Same
BB11 - Jessie
BB12 - Same
BB13 - Tricky. I'll go with Porsche.
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Old 04-08-2012, 00:48
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The whole AP thing made BB8 so tough to call, but if the game had been allowed to play out naturally, I think Eric would have been evicted over Kail that week, abolishing AP. The next week, Dick would probably have been sent home, as Kail would have probably evicted Dick, leaving Jessica to break the 3-3 tie.

You know, ironically, I think Dustin might have had a good shot at it. Jen obviously was on borrowed time all summer, Daniele would have been relying on competitions for much of the game, and Zach wasn't well liked by the Late Night Crew.. Preusmably Jessica gets evicted somewhere along the line for being so darn sweet, leaving Amber, Dustin and Jameka. Dustin is the only one of the three to have any remote challenge prowess, he takes Amber to the final, and I think Dustin would probably have won. Nobody would have rewarded Amber's gameplay, surely? Funny how things turn out. Any which way, I think Amber is in the final...


I neither remember nor care enough about BB9 to have much to say, but Sharon should have been final three, and had she won that last HoH, would have won quite comfortably. (James, Chelsia, Josh all locked votes, plus potentially Natalie or the now 4th placed Sheila) Depends really if Sharon would have won HoH. Sharon if so, Adam obviously if not!


BB10 would probably have panned out the exact same way. There wasn't all that much manipulation apart from Dan's AP week... The only real difference would probably be that Dan would have made less effort to be neutral in the Jessie/Memphis week. I'm certain he'd have gone the same way from that point regardless of America's choice, and from there on in, the game would just play out the same. Pretty organic season really.


I'll post more later, or tomorrow!
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:25
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BB8: Unsure

BB9: Sharon - Three pre-existing couples my ass, I think Sharon would have taken Shelia with her to the final two if she won HoH.

BB10: Dan.

BB11: Difficult but Shima/Jessie/Lydia could have gone all the way that one week screwed up everything. I was actually team Jessie that season.

BB12: Hayden - The brigade kept everything so underwrap that they controlled the entire game so well that any big twist to go against it would have been so blatantly obvious to the highlight only fanbase.

BB13: Kalia/Porche - It depended on Adam really to use the POV and he didn't for some unknown reason.
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Old 04-08-2012, 13:43
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Right, so I'm moving onto BB11...

I don't know whether or not we consider the coup as manipulation. Obviously on the one hand you can say yes, but at the same time, there is usually a twist at that point in the game in Grodner seasons. For effect, lets say it was manipulation, and Russell goes home in the fifth week. I'd imagine the game would pretty much still play into Team Jessie's hands for a while, and I can't imagine Jeff or Michele making it much further. That being said, I still think Jordan lasts a while longer as Team Jessie inevitably turn on each other. I see Kevin and Lydia being targeted to be split up, with Kevin likely to go. Assuming Jordan or Lydia don't win HoH (which is practically a given!) I think it comes down to Jessie, Chima and Natalie. Jessie wins HoH and I think he'd probably win the game, providing he hasn't made to many enemies on the jury. If one of the girls win, they almost certainly take each other and Natalie probably wins. Chima did have good reason to be pissed off that season!

BB12 probably plays out close to the same way. Matt gets evicted slightly earlier without his diamond veto, but I think Britney probably evicts Kathy the next week anyway, just creating a flip. Hayden and Lane final two, Hayden almost certainly still wins!

BB13.. Oh now this is a mess! I know that some are not, but I'm personally happy to believe that the Returning Player twist was planned when Dick walked, thus being before Brendon was evicted, so his brief return can be lived with. Of course, we all will wonder what happened with Lawon in the diary room that week, but is there really any proof to suggest he wasn't THAT stupid.. Hmm..

I'd say the manipulation really starts after FF night. With Rachel and Jordan on the block, I think it's fair to assume that Rachel wins veto and HoH. (The F6 veto and F5 HoH competitions were clearly swapped with each other to aid Rachel, but she wins them both anyway) Jordan is evicted in sixth place, Rachel is the F5 HoH.. Assuming that Shelly continues to suck at competitions, Adam presumably will still win F5 Veto, and Kalia is probably still evicted, this time by a 2-0 vote instead of Rachel breaking a tie. Rachel then is toast when Porsche wins the Veto, saving Shelly, while at the final 3 HoH, it seemingly comes down between Adam and Porsche.. It's tough to say from there out what happens, but if Porsche wins, I think she'd play into the Vet hate for Shelly, and probably wins. (No way do I see Big Jeff voting for Shelly) If Adam wins the HoH, he probably takes Shelly too, and I think he might narrowly win with the votes of the two couples, while Shelly picks up the votes of the three girls.. So yeah, Adam or Porsche win.
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Old 04-08-2012, 18:14
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BB10- Dan (no twists that year)
BB11- Jessie or possibly even Lydia
BB12-Hayden as said above alliance was too strong
BB13- Shelly
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Old 04-08-2012, 18:58
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Rachel and Jordan would not have won
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Old 05-08-2012, 21:18
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I thought Alison loved Jessie from bb11?
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Old 05-08-2012, 22:46
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I thought Alison loved Jessie from bb11?
Jessie is one of her pets, but the public adored Jeff and Jordan and generally didn't like Jessie. It's kind of funny, because whilst Jessie is clearly a Grodner favourite, in both of his seasons, he's been evicted as a consequence of her twists.
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Old 05-08-2012, 22:46
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I thought Alison loved Jessie from bb11?
Once she clicked on how much the public liked Jeff she threw Jessie under the bus to save Jeff. Without the coup Russell goes at the final 9 and Jessie's alliance controls the end game, with Jeff probably being the first of his alliance to go.
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Old 09-08-2012, 12:51
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Jessie is one of her pets, but the public adored Jeff and Jordan and generally didn't like Jessie. It's kind of funny, because whilst Jessie is clearly a Grodner favourite, in both of his seasons, he's been evicted as a consequence of her twists.
Once she clicked on how much the public liked Jeff she threw Jessie under the bus to save Jeff. Without the coup Russell goes at the final 9 and Jessie's alliance controls the end game, with Jeff probably being the first of his alliance to go.
Thanks for clearing that up! But the public adored Janelle LOADS so why didn't Alison do twists do help her win instead of Maggie and Boogey!?
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Old 09-08-2012, 13:06
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Thanks for clearing that up! But the public adored Janelle LOADS so why didn't Alison do twists do help her win instead of Maggie and Boogey!?
Alison wasn't in charge back then.
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Old 14-08-2012, 09:03
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Big Brother US gives me mixed emotions even though it was the first version of BB I watched.

In regards to the Arnold seasons (BB2-7) I didn't really appreciate the twists where the majority of the Housemates knew someone. I always liked BB1-3 because they each were different and had complete strangers. I do think the game aspect was more fair when Arnold was in charge.

The best twist out of all 14 seasons for me was the Project D.N.A. as it was the one twist that related more to the "experiment" aspect that Big Brother was originally.

From the Grodner era (BB8-present) I do respect that she is trying to mix up the core format a bit with more game twists but when watching one of her seasons the "manipulation" seems to stick out more at certain times.

It is also weird that during her reign that the Housemates comment that Big Brother in the Diary Room seems to try to sway outcomes in a certain way.

Anyway back on topic:

Big Brother 8 - I thought Eric was a good player even with the America's Player task. However there is one instance I do think had the producer's left him alone when he won the Power of Veto while Jessica was Head of Household would have been a potential game changer.

Once he was out of the House he revealed that Big Brother would not let him use the Veto because the viewing public did not have enough time to vote on if he should use it or not. I partially blame laziness on their part because they should have restructured the order of events on the broadcast episodes when he was playing.

It should be easy for them to have included the Power of Veto competition at the end of the Sunday episode and shown the food competition in flashback on the Tuesday episode. This would have allowed the viewing public to vote before the Veto ceremony took place.

Big Brother 9 - I think the game would have been different had the producers not have had that dumb "per-existing relationship" question during the final four HoH.

Big Brother 10 - Dan would have still won, he played a really great game both socially and competition wise. Would have been a winner even if the public controlled the evictions IMO.

Big Brother 11 - Depends if Big Brother hadn't had the Coup twist. Had the Housemates competed in a task similar to BB7 I don't think Jeff would have gotten the Coup.

Big Brother 12 - Same, not that bad of a season really IMO

Big Brother 13 - This is a hot mess, the whole Pandora's Box duo twist reminds me of the BB9 Final 4 question. No doubt we would have had a different winner had that not been used.

Big Brother 14 - My Manipulat-dar has been in overdrive since the America's Vote allowing the coaches to enter. The terms of what would happen were not fully disclosed during the vote and was very unfair to Shane. Frank should have been evicted, then the vote held with the condition that if the coaches didn't hit the button, Frank and another ex-Housemate would re-enter.

I have been saying that Grodner needs to be axed. Big Brother 14 has tanked in the ratings and something needs to be done. If she wants to change up the game she needs to have a season with compete strangers and have a change to the core format from Day 1. I would say adopting the Brazilian format as it is the closest to BBUSA and allows the public to decide the outcome.
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Old 16-08-2012, 11:25
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I think they should stop putting past faves in and actually have a series with no past players!
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Old 18-08-2012, 00:31
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I think they should stop putting past faves in and actually have a series with no past players!
THis. For me its all past players (all stars) or all newbies. Hate the mix.
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Old 18-08-2012, 17:26
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BB8 - Eric or Jessica
BB9 - No change
BB10 - Jessie or Michelle
BB11 - Kevin
BB12 - No change
BB13 - Porsche or Kalia
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