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Conor made the show for Deana
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yellowlabbie
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by pugamo:
“The proof of the pudding will be how she comes across in the next 9 days I suppose.”

She'll have to do something pretty bad for her supporters to go off her now. Anyway, many of them won't be watching, just voting for her I suspect.
muggins14
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Gerund:
“I think you're talking out of your elbow. She has supporters because people like her. She has carried herself with dignity in that house, which must have been hard considering the ***** that they put in there.”

Lol well it's my elbow to talk out of and my opinion alone, which I chose to express without the benefit of insulting a FM... but thanks for your comment

I agree that she has carried herself with dignity much of the time, nowhere did I say she hadn't, and of course many people like her, but would so many have noticed her had she not had Conor ragging on her from pretty much the start of the show? There were bigger characters that BB would have obviously put onto the highlights show.

I didn't say that was the only reason people support her, just that she might not have QUITE as many supporters as she does due to the anti-Conor movement.

Of course, your opinion is yours to express too - and from whichever limb or orifice you choose - and I look forward to hearing it
wotnot
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by sammy8:
“If Conor wasnt constantly moaning about Deana you would have forgotten about him.”

And her
zolug
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Anbud:
“connor saying deana was prancing around like she was better then them..but yet fail to mention sara walking around with her bikini up her bum.”



WHAT???
john176bramley
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Lol well it's my elbow to talk out of and my opinion alone, which I chose to express without the benefit of insulting a FM... but thanks for your comment

I agree that she has carried herself with dignity much of the time, nowhere did I say she hadn't, and of course many people like her, but would so many have noticed her had she not had Conor ragging on her from pretty much the start of the show? There were bigger characters that BB would have obviously put onto the highlights show.

I didn't say that was the only reason people support her, just that she might not have QUITE as many supporters as she does due to the anti-Conor movement.

Of course, your opinion is yours to express too - and from whichever limb or orifice you choose - and I look forward to hearing it ”

If there were bigger characters doing more interesting things BB would have shown them, or perhaps it's Deana's uncle that works on the show.
muggins14
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“If there were bigger characters doing more interesting things BB would have shown them, or perhaps it's Deana's uncle that works on the show.”

You're right, I wasn't very clear. I mean that there would have been other conflicts that would have made the highlights. If the conflict with Deana weren't happening, there would possibly be other people having other conflicts or doing other things worthy of making the highlights show. Obviously their conflict was a big situation and it was shown, I'm merely saying that if it hadn't been happening then - unless Deana were involved in other controversies - perhaps she might not have been shown so much as her alienation, joining the outsiders, etc, was due - in the main - to her conflict with Conor.

All speculation of course, I'm just hypothesising. It's simply a discussion.
Littlegreen42
04-08-2012
Conor was just the boring one with the fake laugh, breezing to the final. The 'act' failed and he showed his true colours, a nasty, racist bully.

Deana made it through the show off her own back, how she handled the situation with dignity and kept strong even when she was isolated. Deana to win (FULL 100k re-instated!)
muggins14
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“Conor was just the boring one with the fake laugh, breezing to the final. The 'act' failed and he showed his true colours, a nasty, racist bully.

Deana made it through the show off her own back, how she handled the situation with dignity and kept strong even when she was isolated. Deana to win (FULL 100k re-instated!)”

I keep seeing people calling Conor a racist - I have hard his support Fb page is full of it, but he was never racist in the house as I recall, and I don't know whether or not he shares the views people mention on the Fb page. Yes he was a bully, but a racist - I've seen no evidence of that myself.
john176bramley
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“You're right, I wasn't very clear. I mean that there would have been other conflicts that would have made the highlights. If the conflict with Deana weren't happening, there would possibly be other people having other conflicts or doing other things worthy of making the highlights show. Obviously their conflict was a big situation and it was shown, I'm merely saying that if it hadn't been happening then - unless Deana were involved in other controversies - perhaps she might not have been shown so much as her alienation, joining the outsiders, etc, was due - in the main - to her conflict with Conor.

All speculation of course, I'm just hypothesising. It's simply a discussion.”

Conor and Deana's conflict was hardly shown, because it never really happened. I don't know how you can say Conor made the show for Deana when they barely spoke more than a few dozen words to each other in 8 weeks, Deana avoided Conor like the plague.

Deana's time in the house has been more defined by the conflict between Deana and Lydia, Deana and Arron, Deana and Shiv, christ even the conflict between Deana and Adam received more airtime and was more interesting.
Radical Joe
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“She'll have to do something pretty bad for her supporters to go off her now. Anyway, many of them won't be watching, just voting for her I suspect.”

Says a lot, that.
Littlegreen42
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I keep seeing people calling Conor a racist - I have hard his support Fb page is full of it, but he was never racist in the house as I recall, and I don't know whether or not he shares the views people mention on the Fb page. Yes he was a bully, but a racist - I've seen no evidence of that myself.”

Calling Deana "Disgusting" and the face he pulled when her friend came on screen, gave him away...
Radical Joe
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“Conor was just the boring one with the fake laugh, breezing to the final. The 'act' failed and he showed his true colours, a nasty, racist bully.

Deana made it through the show off her own back, how she handled the situation with dignity and kept strong even when she was isolated. Deana to win (FULL 100k re-instated!)”

And look at waht a spiteful person she's become since she fouind a little crew to bounce off. She's no better than anyone else in there, and worse than some. She's favourite for two clear reasons: What Conor said; and the fact that she was a loner for a while. No Conor, and a Deana from the off who behaved like she does now and she's probably have been evicted weeks ago. She certainly wouldn't be the favourite to win. And the way she's going now she's doing a good job of losing the win. Get away from the uber fans and I reckon more and more people are seeing what she's really like - and don't like it much.
john176bramley
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“And look at waht a spiteful person she's become since she fouind a little crew to bounce off. She's no better than anyone else in there, and worse than some. She's favourite for two clear reasons: What Conor said; and the fact that she was a loner for a while. No Conor, and a Deana from the off who behaved like she does now and she's probably have been evicted weeks ago.”

I keep reaading this so I'll ask again, which eviction would she have gone in?
muggins14
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“Conor and Deana's conflict was hardly shown, because it never really happened. I don't know how you can say Conor made the show for Deana when they barely spoke more than a few dozen words to each other in 8 weeks, Deana avoided Conor like the plague.

Deana's time in the house has been more defined by the conflict between Deana and Lydia, Deana and Arron, Deana and Shiv, christ even the conflict between Deana and Adam received more airtime and was more interesting.”

I don't think Deana would have felt as ostracised as she was if it weren't for Conor's feelings about her, and the group he hung around with, she may not have had any of the above if she weren't on the periphery of the outsiders and feeling excluded from the insiders. I think it made the show for her because it, in some ways, dictated who she hung out with and who she trusted/didn't trust.
Radical Joe
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“I keep reaading this so I'll ask again, which eviction would she have gone in?”

I said 'probably', so I don't know. Obviously, John, things would've been different had the things that saw her popularity rise not happened, so it's stupid to ask for a specific week, but my point is that she wouldn't have been liked enough to survive so many evictions.
Radical Joe
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“Calling Deana "Disgusting" and the face he pulled when her friend came on screen, gave him away...”

What, as a racist? If the mods on here knew what was good for this forum they'd ban posters for making accusations like that on such flimsy evidence.
john176bramley
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I don't think Deana would have felt as ostracised as she was if it weren't for Conor's feelings about her, and the group he hung around with, she may not have had any of the above if she weren't on the periphery of the outsiders and feeling excluded from the insiders. I think it made the show for her because it, in some ways, dictated who she hung out with and who she trusted/didn't trust.”

I think it's no coincidence that she's ended up being friends with the nicest HMs in the house, as Deana would say 'real knows real'.
john176bramley
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“I said 'probably', so I don't know. Obviously, John, things would've been different had the things that saw her popularity rise not happened, so it's stupid to ask for a specific week, but my point is that she wouldn't have been liked enough to survive so many evictions.”

She'd have had to be pretty damn nasty not to survive against Lydia, Conor, Arron, Becky, etc.

If it's stupid to ask for a specific week, it's just as stupid to say she'd have been evicted if she'd behaved differently and been in the the house with different HMs.
Radical Joe
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“She'd have had to be pretty damn nasty not to survive against Lydia, Conor, Arron, Becky, etc.

If it's stupid to ask for a specific week, it's just as stupid to say she'd have been evicted if she'd behaved differently and been in the the house with different HMs.”



http://www.thefreedictionary.com/probably
trevor tiger
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“lol that's another way of looking at it, although I said Conor made it because he started the conflict in effect.

Apart from not liking him, I do recall a lot of times where he made me laugh against my will, I'm sad to say Deana hasn't done that for me.

That doesn't mean I'm not glad he's gone, I am, and it will be an interesting house now that the dynamics have changed so much - looking forward to seeing whether Luke S going to lose his cool again as he's been more interesting over the last 24 hours than ever before ”

To be pedantic Deana actually started it when she nominated him the first night I can count on the fingers of one hand, missing out the thumb and little and middle fingers the amount of times Conor made me smile, never laugh but my digits are too limiting to be able to count how many times Deana has made me smile. This is all about personal taste though and that's what gets to me about all the anti Deana stuff. Posters don't seem to appreciate that Deana is very appealing on her own to lots of people.

I liked her on the first night, from when she went in and have liked and enjoyed her ever since. There seems to be a thought on here in common with Becky and Conor that housemates must be loud, in your face, over the top, aggressive even to be in the house and get on but not IMO. Deana and housemates like Deana are the kind I and the majority actually seem to like.
muggins14
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“I think it's no coincidence that she's ended up being friends with the nicest HMs in the house, as Deana would say 'real knows real'.”

I agree, I never said anywhere I didn't think she was real lol, I have merely been talking about the dynamics of the show and how one situation can affect another and affect a person's popularity to a degree.
Mist
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“For me, Deana's success so far has mostly been due to the conflict with Conor. It has been the basis of a lot of the arguments in the house, the alliances, and has brought her into the fore of a lot of the highlights shows when, to me, without it she would have left long ago.

I feel Deana would have faded into the background without the Conor situation, but due to this conflict she has become more confident, vocal, unafraid to voice her opinions. Had the situation not arisen, I feel she'd have faded into the background and probably not still be there now.

Also, without this conflict, I do feel she might not have quite as many supporters as she does now, as she'd not be the HM she is now without the experience of Conor.

Your thoughts?”

I agree, Conor actually made Deana popular. But what you have to look at, is he also ruined her experience as well. A lot of the HM's have shown there true personalities, she has not been able too, the same as Luke A, they have been supressed, Deana more so.

So, no probably she would not have the support she has got without Conor, but she does deserve it, after what she went through. He ruined her experience.
muggins14
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by Mist:
“I agree, Conor actually made Deana popular. But what you have to look at, is he also ruined her experience as well. A lot of the HM's have shown there true personalities, she has not been able too, the same as Luke A, they have been supressed, Deana more so.

So, no probably she would not have the support she has got without Conor, but she does deserve it, after what she went through. He ruined her experience.”

Yes I think he did, which is sad.
BusyV
04-08-2012
Until the incident with the epilator I would have said Conor was invisible so I think without Deana in the house Conor would have stayed invisible
Gerund
04-08-2012
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Lol well it's my elbow to talk out of and my opinion alone, which I chose to express without the benefit of insulting a FM... but thanks for your comment

I agree that she has carried herself with dignity much of the time, nowhere did I say she hadn't, and of course many people like her, but would so many have noticed her had she not had Conor ragging on her from pretty much the start of the show? There were bigger characters that BB would have obviously put onto the highlights show.

I didn't say that was the only reason people support her, just that she might not have QUITE as many supporters as she does due to the anti-Conor movement.

Of course, your opinion is yours to express too - and from whichever limb or orifice you choose - and I look forward to hearing it ”

Lol, well you did ask for people's thoughts! That's coming directly from my fingertips
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