Eeek! I really do think that is awful. Apart from anything, her hair extensions seemed to be made of 1 ply nylon. I tried looking at google images to find a better one but found altogether too much of Aisleyne's breasts to deal with. And a picture of Barry Cryer half way down the page.

I'll probably be back. We can fight like cats in a bag throughout.

Here's a couple of nicer pics

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/...ps19faad5b.png

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/...sf90a9b7a.jpeg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/...psc95a422f.png

yay! Urghh though at Conor in the last one.

I think her profile pic is normally cut down a bit, like this: http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...5C6129BF8F.jpg

I think she looks very pretty and a bit mischievous.

The problem is finding pics from bb7 for comparison. ... Do you think she looks better here or here?

'Cause I don't. And let's not even get started on ones like this.

When I look at this set of pics, mostly from bb7, I think she looks better in her profile pic than in most, at least, of the rest.

I didn't notice him .


I don't think the pictures of her wearing lots of make like the one in her profile pic are very flattering, I think she looks much prettier when she's more toned down like this

Lol. He is that goblin like creature in the corner.


That's quite sweet. And she looks pretty on the cover of her book I think: http://images.thebookpeople.co.uk/im...ook/EADCXO.jpg She hasn't got what you might call refined taste though. She reminds me of that Dolly Parton quote that "it takes a lot of money to look this cheap". I never mind her though. She seems a warm hearted person, and I never object to a bit of slapperishness if someone has a good heart.

What a way to ruin a perfectly good picture




Yes I liked Aisleyne a lot, especially when she stood up for Suzy and Sam .

This is probably old news but Luke confirmed on twitter yesterday that he is going appear on the first episode of BBBOTS after launch night .

Hope he'll be with someone nice. In fact the list of people I don't want him to be with is quite long...

He better not be on with Natalie Cassidy, i don't want to have to fast forward most of it .

True. Or worse still, if they think it would be funny to put Becky Hannon on. It wouldn't.

I think she looks much worse in that picture, not nearly as pretty, and like she's wearing too much make-up. (What has she done to her lips?)

However, I agree that she generally looks better with less makeup than her max. I think that in BB she looked best about half way to putting it all on.


Sweet?

Are we looking at the same picture? (Yellow dress straps, big earrings, looks unhappy, overdone lips?)

I agree about the book cover. She looks beautiful in that pic and though fully made up, it's been well done. (She has a slightly blank expression, though, so that I still prefer the slightly mischievous look of the profile one.)


When did she stand up for Sam?

I'm glad to hear it. As a recent winner, he should be able to offer some good insights, and I'll be interested to hear what he thinks.



Well, if they really are aiming BOTS "upmarket", that should rule out quite a few of the less desirable panellists

I'm sorry my memory is a bit hazy, I'm probably thinking of something else but I know she wasn't mean.


True .

Wonder who Luke would like on the panel with him. I'd like Julian Clary lol

Yes, that would be brilliant.

That would be good or Ian lee would be a good addition.

Yes, sorted. Course, what he really wants is to be on with Emma, but that may not be happening - it seems a bit up in the air. In a way I hate brand new big brothers - on the first night they are all a blur, at least half of them look awful in their VT's, all the women are wearing micro skirts they have to keep yanking down and shoes they can't walk in and everyone is SO LOUD. And it's kind of awkward having to give a public opinion on day 1. I have often been wildly wrong (though not last year).

Has the new presenter of bbbots been confirmed yet? I wonder if Emma will continue to present it along with the main show. By up in the air do you mean that Luke's slot on bbbots is not set in stone?

I agree, I'm not a fan of the first few weeks of BB. The airtime is shared between so many of the HMs you don't feel like you get to know them.

No, Luke's bit should be ok, it is the actual presenter we keep getting conflicting reports about. Yes, true about too many housemates at first. I like it when it gets down to about 9 or 10 at most. At least Ch 5 don't keep flooding the programme with endless newcomers as Ch 4 had started doing. It was ridiculous in BB11 putting in 7 newcomers so close to the end.

I think they should have fewer HMs and not have any eviction the first week, perhaps not even the first two. But BB will never do it, because the producers thinks that without "surprises" and "twists" to artificially create "drama" viewers will be bored.


I think C4 wanted longer BBs (since BB lifted their viewing stats) and Endemol did the flooding, because Endemol didn't know how to make the show work well enough without that. bb7, for example, had the new HND HMs and brought ex HMs back to try to keep things from being too dull.

I really wish they would stick to twists that didn't lead to an eviction. The twist in BB13 was horrible for Deana (and seemed to start Conor off on his path of unceasing resentment) and Victoria was out without ever having a chance. And that wasn't the worst. Booting out Beinzir without her even having a proper meal or sleeping in a bed was one of the meanest, most pointless stunts ever. I would love there to be no eviction until day 14.



I have seen people over the last two series moaning that it is time to put some newcomers in. But I think it really destabilizes a series, and they are hardly ever good. It's not like putting Josh in after keeping him in conditions of total secrecy for weeks: recent newcomers have often been unable to resist telling the housemates exactly where they stand with the public; they are rarely accepted anyway, and unless BB contrives some twist to protect them they tend to be straight out of the door.

I thought the bb13 twist was a very poor idea, but I also wonder what Deana was really thinking. She knew she had to give names and reasons, so why didn't she have names and reasons ready? Or did she have the names ready but pretend she didn't? It put a question mark over Deana from the start, and I think the task might have done less damage to the series if it had been given to someone else.


I think you're mixing different issues too much together. The problem with putting in HMs who aren't good is that they're poor HMs; the problem with putting in HMs who reveal where HMs stand is that they know and reveal that information. Those aren't really arguments against putting in new HMs unless there's a connection -- for example, if there aren't enough people who'd make good HMs available, or if isn't possible to keep them isolated (or to trust them to keep quiet).

Is destabilising a series necessarily a bad thing? A series can get stuck in various sorts of ruts, and new HMs can help free it. For example, adding the Secret Garden HMs to bb6 is what ended the 'ethnic divide' that had appeared. I think that, way back in bb5, Becky had a significance that is often overlooked. I think Sara was a great addition to bb9, and even Belinda*3 was what finally got Kat and Rachel to move out of the luxury bedroom. Bea was a game-changing addition to bb10. Didn't you like Hira, and David? Would you rather they'd never been HMs at all?

Which brings us to "they are rarely accepted" and "tend to be straight out of the door". I think that's less true than it used to be. David reached bb10 the final; Bea was there for five weeks. Sara came 3rd in bb9; even Maysoon had much of 4 weeks and probably could have stayed longer. (Sure, Belinda*3 was out a.s.a.p., but I don't think that's unreasonable.) As far back as bb6, Orlaith defeated two major HMs in votes.

And at least the new HMs get a chance to be in BB, and we get to see them. Sometimes, they're well worth having.

Yes, true that I ran a lot of things together re. late arrivals.

1. I never like it when latecomers discuss who is popular. In fact I used to like it when Davina did the eviction annoucement away from the crowd so the people in the house could not hear who was being cheered or booed. Newcomer blabbing destroyed both Nikki and Freddie. Maybe it would have happened anyway - the fact that Nikki barely beat Sam suggested she was not going to stay long - but there is always something irritating about housemates being told exactly how well they are doing with the public.

2. Occasionally a series does feel in need of freshening, but I never like it when they put in a lot of newcomers at once. In BB11 it looked panicked rather than thought through putting in three, then three more, then Sam. They obviously worried, with good cause, that all the strong housemates had gone by half way through, but seemed to have no one interesting left available.

3. There are late comers who just seem weak as housemates. Maysoon, for example was actually a bright, appealing, quite amusing person imo but it was obvious that her heart wasn't in it.

4. Putting in a latecomer to affect an existing housemate always seems unfair and awful. Bringing Nicole in, for example, as part of a 'guess Rex's girlfriend' task was funny; putting her in as a miserable, draining housemate was not. Ditto Isaac and the absolutely disastrous Jemma, whose edgy, tense relationship with Aaron and Faye cast a gloomy shadow over the house for the whole time she was in there.

5. There are latecomers I would really have liked to have seen in there from the beginning. Hira is a good example; I wonder whether (as marcus implied) they did not choose her because there was too much, as a practising Muslim, that she couldn't be asked to do. But her ditzy sweetness would have been interesting in the Lisa/ Karly/ Sophie/ Kris group. As a very latecomer in a group of louder latecomers she was never really accepted into any group, but I'm pretty sure that is where she would have landed if she had been there from day one.

6. A latecomer who had not been isolated would have had a big impact on BB13 imo and I don't think it would have benefited the series. They would have known, as the housemates did not, that the outsiders were far and away the more popular group; it was obvious that the insiders generally regarded them as dull and marginal, and almost to the end Conor, Luke S and Ashleigh seemed to have the status of alphas in the house with Becky hanging firmly on to their perceived popularity. It would have changed the dynamic completely if a latecomer had come in and made it clear that actually all the power rested with Adam, Luke and Deana. I suppose it might have been interesting to see how they dealt with the news - particularly seeing if Becky could manage a double flip - but I preferred it as it was.

I don't know whether Julian would be good as a panel member. Would he have insightful things to say, or would he just be trying to be entertaining?

I also think Celebrity BB is too different from the non-celeb one for Julian to know enough about what the non-celeb one is like. I really don't want anyone from the Celeb side.

Iain Lee usually is good, and his Big Ears 'radio' show during bb9 was excellent. ...

Hmm. I think BOTS has a hard time finding good panellists, which I suspect is one reason why Jamie or Alice was so often on the panel, and the list of people I want kept well away from BOTS is a lot longer than the list of ones I'd like to see.

Among HMs, Liam from bb8 has been good, though I think he'd be better later in the series after we've seen more of the HMs. Tom from bb12, perhaps, though I usually disagree with him. Aisleyne's usually pretty good. Shabby would be great if she'd been watching.

I'd kinda like someone who'd represent the week 1 evictees. However, Victoria has seemed a bit too bitter; Tashie's too ... flighty? (Will that do?) Rachael from bb11, maybe, or how about Govan, though he was 2nd out?

Nathan from bb11 might be ok.