[Erica Cartman]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Fair enough Jane , but will you please answer me a question.

Do you accept that if Thompson had been executed then this guy would probably not have committed suicide, and therefore wouldn't you rather that a POS like Thompson was dead than an innocent son/father?

The Death Penalty was not legal at the time, and even if it was I highly doubt it could have been implemented on a ten year old child.

Your posts are completely nonsensical.

[AnnaliseZ]

Originally Posted by Mancini

True, but the death of Robert Thompson (via execution) would've prevented this tragic death from happening.

That is not sound logic. An infinite number of things could have prevented or perpetuated this.

People who want to victimise others will always do so. They just need to find a reason. If they hadn't used Robert Thompson, they would have found another. Someone else's life would have been made hell. They may or may not have taken their own life (depending on another infinite number of possibilities).

[annette kurten]

it`s sadly evident that the villagers aren`t the only idiots.

[dorydaryl]

This is a little bit coincidental. Have just been posting in Showbiz on the Jimmy Savile thread a story I've told on many an occasion in DS. A family friend was falsely and maliciously accused of molesting a baby. He was completely exonerated but there were still those who said 'There's no smoke without fire' and argued that there 'had to be something in it'. Because he looked a bit of an oddball and was a bit socially inept, he was an easy target. Anyhow, he fell apart after he was cleared, couldn't work, lost his job, then his home. Hit the bottle and died. In summary, he just couldn't live with the social stigma and never got over what he had been wrongly accused of.

I couldn't help him in life- he was too far gone, despite having lots of support from those who knew and believed he was innocent- but I often remember and mention him in situations like this (online and elsewhere). Just my little way of giving Nigel a little bit of respect and not forgetting what he went through.

[Si_Crewe]

Originally Posted by Inkblot

The article says:

The play, Village of the Damned, is based around what would happen if one of James Bulger’s murderers was placed in a Scottish village under police protection...

In the play the residents of the fictitious village find out one of their number is actually Robert Thomson and start a campaign to get him to leave. But despite a reign of terror and repeated offences from Thompson the local police won’t touch him and instead prosecute the villagers.

Which is significantly different from what is alleged to have happened in this case.

BIB is what happened in reality.

[Erica Cartman]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Absolute rubbish, and you know it! I am advocating LEGAL execution as a policy for criminals of this type. That has no connection with vigilante justice.

10 year old children don't get legally executed. Anywhere.

If you had said "If Thompson had been locked up for life this would never have happened" your point may have had some semblance of logic. You would still be wrong, however.

[Jane Doh!]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Fair enough Jane , but will you please answer me a question.

Do you accept that if Thompson had been executed then this guy would probably not have committed suicide, and therefore wouldn't you rather that a POS like Thompson was dead than an innocent son/father?

I do not agree with the DP. Not in any circumstances.

[stoatie]

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe

BIB is what happened in reality.

It really isn't. They wrongly suspected him, not found out he actually was.

[Inkblot]

Originally Posted by Mancini

True, but the death of Robert Thompson (via execution) would've prevented this tragic death from happening.

That is not true. You have two statements:

A. a man was wrongly suspected of being a murderer and killed himself

and

B. the murderer is still alive.

You cannot infer from those statements that if B is not true then A will also be untrue. It simply is not a logical conclusion.

[be more pacific]

Originally Posted by Si_Crewe

Given that this was happening in his town before he wrote the play but then got much worse after it was released, it kinda suggests that was the case.

Correlation does not imply causation. Nobody on here has even seen or read the play, so it is ridiculous to suggest what it may or may not have inspired. I'm reminded of the hysteria over Child's Play 3 which the tabloids blamed for inspiring the murder of James Bulger, even though there was no credible evidence that either boy had ever seen the film.

[elliecat]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Well that's your prerogative, but I can tell you now that I honestly believe they should've been given a death penalty upon reaching adulthood.
The fact that Venebles was back behind bars within about 5 years of being released should tell you all you need to know about whether these men should still be breathing oxygen.

We can not sit here and condem places like Iran, Iraq, Saudia Arabia etc for the way they treat their prisoners if we were then to go about executing two children or even adults. We would rightly be called hypocrits and we would deserve all the backlash that would come with it. We have moved on from the days of the death penalty, the death penalty has no place in modern society. What ever your views on it it is in the past for a reason. You can not pick and choose who you murder in the name of justice, how can you say whether one murder is worse than another. Is James Bulger's murder worse than the granny that was beaten to death for the price of fish and chips. That Granny was some's mother, someones sister, someones wife, someones grandmother.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Absolute rubbish, and you know it! I am advocating LEGAL execution as a policy for criminals of this type. That has no connection with vigilante justice.

I go out for a few hours and come back to find you still trolling this thread with your utterly generic pitchfork nonsense.

[CLL Dodge]

The tabloids create a climate of mob vigilantism in which justice plays no part and revenge is the aim.

[Mancini]

Originally Posted by Jane Doh!

I do not agree with the DP. Not in any circumstances.

Much better to allow Venebles and Thompson out so that one could re-offend almost immediately and the other's existence caused for an innocent man to die, right?

[stoatie]

Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

I go out for a few hours and come back to find you still trolling this thread with your utterly generic pitchfork nonsense.

I think it's all stuff out of the manual that comes free when you buy one.

[Erica Cartman]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Much better to allow Venebles and Thompson out so that one could re-offend almost immediately and the other's existence caused for an innocent man to die, right?

We get it. You think killing children should be legal. What a decent person you are

[geniusgirl]

Originally Posted by Mancini

Much better to allow Venebles and Thompson out so that one could re-offend almost immediately and the other's existence caused for an innocent man to die, right?

You've changed your story now from murdering criminals to letting them out.

Which one do you want?

[Mancini]

Originally Posted by elliecat

We can not sit here and condem places like Iran, Iraq, Saudia Arabia etc for the way they treat their prisoners if we were then to go about executing two children or even adults. We would rightly be called hypocrits and we would deserve all the backlash that would come with it. We have moved on from the days of the death penalty, the death penalty has no place in modern society. What ever your views on it it is in the past for a reason. You can not pick and choose who you murder in the name of justice, how can you say whether one murder is worse than another. Is James Bulger's murder worse than the granny that was beaten to death for the price of fish and chips. That Granny was some's mother, someones sister, someones wife, someones grandmother.

i) I think they should've been executed on their 18th birthdays
ii) I support the death penalty for all murders except for in cases of self defence.

[Si_Crewe]

Originally Posted by stoatie

It really isn't. They wrongly suspected him, not found out he actually was.

Well, yeah.

We've still got a town where the locals thought a guy was Thompson and a writer who lives there who wrote a book about what might happen in a town where the locals found out that Thompson was living there.

Are we really to assume that Dillon didn't hear about any of these rumours or use them as the basis for his play?

[geniusgirl]

Originally Posted by Mancini

i) I think they should've been executed on their 18th birthdays
ii) I support the death penalty for all murders except for in cases of self defence.

Well what you think is irrelevant, we will never ever have the DP in this country. As for making kids wait until they reach a certain age to be murdered, that's pretty sick.

[Mancini]

Originally Posted by Erica Cartman

We get it. You think killing children should be legal. What a decent person you are

No, I don't think that at all. Stop trying to provoke.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by Mancini

No, I don't think that at all. Stop trying to provoke.

.. says the person trying to provoke everyone else by advocating execution of children. riiiggghtttt ..

[Erica Cartman]

Originally Posted by Mancini

i) I think they should've been executed on their 18th birthdays

And if before that time came, an innocent teenager had been mistaken for one of them and drove to suicide, who's fault would that be? According to the logic you have adopted so far it would be your fault, for wanting to wait until they were 18.

[Kiko H Fan]

Originally Posted by Mancini

If the authorities had done the right thing and executed Thompson and Venables then this innocent man would be alive today. Shame on the do-gooders who care more for the rights of criminal scum than they do for victims and innocent members of the public.

Executing 10 year olds. What a whizzo idea.

I think you're wanted over in the 'Moral Decay of British Society' thread.

[DiamondDoll]

Originally Posted by JasonWatkins

I go out for a few hours and come back to find you still trolling this thread with your utterly generic pitchfork nonsense.

The 'ignore' button is my friend.