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Old 07-08-2012, 00:15
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...-pictures.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...-doorstep.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...kidnapped.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...nd-dennis.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...h-at-last.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...n-to-make.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...ix-things.html

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...-decision.html

The spoilers (although they're pretty vague) we've been waiting for have finally arrived!

The week look's great. Six days till the big week begins!
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:20
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:22
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This!

It's typical that Ben would let Shirl know he's the killer indirectly. In the same he let Heather know he lied about Phil indirectly. The boy's implusive nature is his biggest downfall. I'm glad Denise/The Foxes will be far more involved in this than Derek - he's got his fingers in enough pies already!
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:26
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This!

It's typical that Ben would let Shirl know he's the killer indirectly. In the same he let Heather know he lied about Phil indirectly. The boy's implusive nature is his biggest downfall. I'm glad Denise/The Foxes will be far more involved in this than Derek - he's got his fingers in enough pies already!
i honestly thought shirley was just making ben think she thought phil killed heather. i cant believe she actually believes he could do that? or is she really just playing them trying to get a confession out of ben? omg phil knows shirley thought he killed her.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:29
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This!

It's typical that Ben would let Shirl know he's the killer indirectly. In the same he let Heather know he lied about Phil indirectly. The boy's implusive nature is his biggest downfall. I'm glad Denise/The Foxes will be far more involved in this than Derek - he's got his fingers in enough pies already!
^this
all this time ben tried to stop others telling, he is the one who tells. Yes im happy denise is involved and glad toad has nothing to do with it
Anyway cant wait for the big 7ep week sounds amazing.
thanks for posting the links
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:32
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i honestly thought shirley was just making ben think she thought phil killed heather. i cant believe she actually believes he could do that? or is she really just playing them trying to get a confession out of ben? omg phil knows shirley thought he killed her.
I think Shirley comes to the conclusion Phil killed Heather, because the bag which Jean got to give to the charity shop (which is where Kim/Denise got the frame) was from Phil. And I think Shirley simply couldn't comprehend Ben killing Heather. To Shirl, Phil was never close with Heather, in fact he frequently mocked her and times has not understood her [Shirl's] grief, so at first I'm not surprised it would make sense to her Phil killed Heather.

By contrast, although Ben's done bad things in Shirl's mind Ben was far closer to Heather than Phil, Jay, or anyone bar herself was, so it's a case of why would Ben have killed Heather? Shirl doesn't realise Ben's a sociopath and all the games he's been playing, until Ben slips up. Shirl doesn't know Ben setup the situation for Phil to kick her out in April, and she doesn't know he's been lying about Jay.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:33
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^this
all this time ben tried to stop others telling, he is the one who tells. Yes im happy denise is involved and glad toad has nothing to do with it
Anyway cant wait for the big 7ep week sounds amazing.
thanks for posting the links
You're welcome priscilla

I find it hilarious, and fitting Ben drops himself in the doo-doo.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:33
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I think Shirley comes to the conclusion Phil killed Heather, because the bag which Jean got to give to the charity shop (which is where Kim/Denise got the frame) was from Phil. And I think Shirley simply couldn't comprehend Ben killing Heather. To Shirl, Phil was never close with Heather, in fact he frequently mocked her and times has not understood her [Shirl's] grief, so at first I'm not surprised it would make sense to her Phil killed Heather.

By contrast, although Ben's done bad things in Shirl's mind Ben was far closer to Heather than Phil, Jay, or anyone bar herself was, so it's a case of why would Ben killed Heather? Shirl doesn't realise Ben's a sociopath and all the games he's been playing, until Ben slips up. Shirl doesn't know Ben setup the situation for Phil to kick her out in April, and she doesn't know he's been lying about Jay.
yes but shirley knows phil is no killer. she knows what he went through with archie & stella. she should know theres no way phil could actually kill another human being. nevermind if phil didnt like the person. also even if shirley didnt believe phil loved her he at least cares about her
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:34
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I think Shirley comes to the conclusion Phil killed Heather, because the bag which Jean got to give to the charity shop (which is where Kim/Denise got the frame) was from Phil. And I think Shirley simply couldn't comprehend Ben killing Heather. To Shirl, Phil was never close with Heather, in fact he frequently mocked her and times has not understood her [Shirl's] grief, so at first I'm not surprised it would make sense to her Phil killed Heather.

By contrast, although Ben's done bad things in Shirl's mind Ben was far closer to Heather than Phil, Jay, or anyone bar herself was, so it's a case of why would Ben killed Heather? Shirl doesn't realise Ben's a sociopath and all the games he's been playing, until Ben slips up. Shirl doesn't know Ben setup the situation for Phil to kick her out in April, and she doesn't know he's been lying about Jay.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:37
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yes but shirley knows phil is no killer. she knows what he went through with archie & stella. she should know theres no way phil could actually kill antoehr human being. nevermind if phil didnt like the person. also even if shirley didnt believe phil loved her he at least cares about her
Yes, but she knows the bag came from the Mitchell house. And she's aware of Phil's violent history, as she is aware of Ben's, too. Shirley and Ben go back years - arguably, she goes back with Ben more than she does Phil. So, for her I think it's fitting she doesn't think ''oooh Ben did it!'' immediately. And who would think a sixteen-year old who was close to victim would kill them over a grown man? Shirl's not in a position to know all the facts like the viewers.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:38
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What's the "vital" piece of information only the killer could know?
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:39
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Yes, but she knows the bag came from the Mitchell house. And she's aware of Phil's violent history, as she is aware of Ben's, too. Shirley and Ben go back years - arguably, she goes back with Ben more than she does Phil. So, for her I think it's fitting she doesn't think ''oooh Ben did it!'' immediately. And who would think a sixteen-year old who was close to victim would kill them over a grown man? Shirl's not in a position to know all the facts like the viewers.
i dont want to get into an argument lol but im she was friends with phil way before she started becoming motherly to ben. she rarely interacted with ben in 07

yes but shirley knows phil better than anyone. she knows he just wouldnt be able to cope with being a killer.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:39
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What's the "vital" piece of information only the killer could know?
That's a good question. I'm actually struggling to think of what it could be, now.....
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:39
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Yes, but she knows the bag came from the Mitchell house. And she's aware of Phil's violent history, as she is aware of Ben's, too. Shirley and Ben go back years - arguably, she goes back with Ben more than she does Phil. So, for her I think it's fitting she doesn't think ''oooh Ben did it!'' immediately. And who would think a sixteen-year old who was close to victim would kill them over a grown man? Shirl's not in a position to know all the facts like the viewers.
Yup. She knows that Ben's been blackmailing Phil, but she knows that he just did it because of the way his dad treated him. She'd never imagine that he'd kill anyone, least of all Heather. Ben may have attacked Jordan, too, but Shirley will think it's Phil because of all the things he's done wrong.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:39
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Yes, but she knows the bag came from the Mitchell house. And she's aware of Phil's violent history, as she is aware of Ben's, too. Shirley and Ben go back years - arguably, she goes back with Ben more than she does Phil. So, for her I think it's fitting she doesn't think ''oooh Ben did it!'' immediately. And who would think a sixteen-year old who was close to victim would kill them over a grown man? Shirl's not in a position to know all the facts like the viewers.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:40
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So excited now! Can't wait!

I'm glad Denise & Jean are involved.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:40
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Yes, we get it Mona. Shirley and Phil are 4Eva, one true loves, soul mates, best friends, perfect for each other etc etc etc...
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:42
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Yeah i also want to know this vital information that only the killer would know
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:43
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i dont want to get into an argument lol but im she was friends with phil way before she started becoming motherly to ben. she rarely interacted with ben in 07

yes but shirley knows phil better than anyone. she knows he just wouldnt be able to cope with being a killer.
One of the reason's Phil and Shirley bonded was because of Shirl's relationship with Ben, and her closeness with him after Stella, as well as Heather. Indeed, one of the reasons Phil and Shirley began a relationship is because Shirl pretended to live with him to establish custody of Louise. As for Shirl knowing Phil better than anyone, I doubt it. The only people who knows Phil inside out, are Peggy and Grant. Everyone else either overestimates his capacity to change, or underestimates his determination to hurt them.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:44
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I hope Shirley beats the crap out of Ben at some point
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:45
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Yes, we get it Mona. Shirley and Phil are 4Eva, one true loves, soul mates, best friends, perfect for each other etc etc etc...
im trying to have a sensible debate that it seems bizzare why she would think phil killed heather. what is wrong with that?
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:45
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I hope Shirley beats the crap out of Ben at some point
I hope EVERYONE beats the crap out of Ben at some point. I'd like to see everyone forming a mob in the Square, headed my ex-soldier Ray, who shouts "get him!" the moment he steps outside the confines of the Mitchell house. Marsden and Crisp could just stand there, watching. Vigilante justice.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:46
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One of the reason's Phil and Shirley bonded was because of Shirl's relationship with Ben, and her closeness with him after Stella, as well as Heather. Indeed, one of the reasons Phil and Shirley began a relationship is because Shirl pretended to live with him to establish custody of Louise. As for Shirl knowing Phil better than anyone, I doubt it. The only people who knows Phil inside out, are Peggy and Grant. Everyone else either overestimates his capacity to change, or underestimates his determination to hurt them.
i didnt want to get into an argument. i keep saying they were together in 2009 and phil moved out of her flat when ben assumed they were serious. do you keep missing my post everytime i post this?

she saw what he went through with archie. he got drunk cos he couldnt kill him
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:46
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Could it be the phone message/
i dont know if im making this up, but wasnt music on when ben killed hev, maybe he mentions it
shirley might have heard in the background when hev left her the message.
(or maybe its just me trying to find any info)
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:48
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im trying to have a sensible debate that it seems bizzare why she would think phil killed heather. what is wrong with that?
Shirley is not in a rational mindframe, she's in a state as she's just discovered the murder weapon in a friend's house. She's going to be picking over everything in her memory.
It makes total sense why she would think of Phil at first.

Nothing wrong with you debating it, but I'm sick of every post you make refuting it because Shirley and Phil's relationship is so great, they're close, and she knows him best, they're soul mates etc etc. When the facts tell us they're not. It's tiring.
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