[Styker]

Originally I was of the view that if the Tories went for an early election and lost, people and the media/press would say they didn't have long enough to make their plans work and especially after such a long time that Labour where in power even though Labour's 13 years went by very quickly in my view.

Now I have changed my mind. I am thinking that it is painfully obvious that the Tories economic "plans" and scaremongering about being downgraded has failed and their scaremongering was just that, scaremongering, as America where downgraded but they are still doing better than us on most fronts.

Also I have just remembered that Labour won power in 1964 with a puny majority and went for an early general election in 1966 after some MP's had passed away I think it was and they lost their majority as a result and that was all after the Tories had been in power for the previous 13 years too (1951-1964). So I'm thinking if Labour went for an early general election in 1966 and so did Ted Heath in 1973, then why not now too?

We have had a double dip recession because of the Tories economic plans failing and its also obvious that even if things do start picking up it will be on a very weak limp basis that will not only takes ages to fully work but can easily be reversed into further reecessions/depressions like we are in now!

As for the Libs what is the point of them staying in this coalition? They are only delaying the inevitable even if the parliament lasts the 5 years, but if they where to get rid of Clegg and have a quick leadership election and then pull out of the coalition, it may not be so bad for them at the ballot box.

The only things they have got out of this coalition is the increase in persoanal allowance but the increase in VAT wiped out any gain for us on that and the so called pupil premium which I haven't seen any news of how its being rolled out and whether its working or not.

The Libs shafted themselves and are getting shafted further by the Tories on so many things, its time for them to get out and lets have an early election and hopefully reverse these economic times quicker!!!!

[Jilly]

Originally Posted by Styker

Originally I was of the view that if the Tories went for an early election and lost, people and the media/press would say they didn't have long enough to make their plans work and especially after such a long time that Labour where in power even though Labour's 13 years went by very quickly in my view.

Now I have changed my mind. I am thinking that it is painfully obvious that the Tories economic "plans" and scaremongering about being downgraded has failed and their scaremongering was just that, scaremongering, as America where downgraded but they are still doing better than us on most fronts.

Also I have just remembered that Labour won power in 1964 with a puny majority and went for an early general election in 1966 after some MP's had passed away I think it was and they lost their majority as a result and that was all after the Tories had been in power for the previous 13 years too (1951-1964). So I'm thinking if Labour went for an early general election in 1966 and so did Ted Heath in 1973, then why not now too?

We have had a double dip recession because of the Tories economic plans failing and its also obvious that even if things do start picking up it will be on a very weak limp basis that will not only takes ages to fully work but can easily be reversed into further reecessions/depressions like we are in now!

As for the Libs what is the point of them staying in this coalition? They are only delaying the inevitable even if the parliament lasts the 5 years, but if they where to get rid of Clegg and have a quick leadership election and then pull out of the coalition, it may not be so bad for them at the ballot box.

The only things they have got out of this coalition is the increase in persoanal allowance but the increase in VAT wiped out any gain for us on that and the so called pupil premium which I haven't seen any news of how its being rolled out and whether its working or not.

The Libs shafted themselves and are getting shafted further by the Tories on so many things, its time for them to get out and lets have an early election and hopefully reverse these economic times quicker!!!!

The trouble is the Labour Government shafted us.

[Styker]

Originally Posted by Jilly

The trouble is the Labour Government shafted us.

Not really. At least they won outright majorities unlike this shower! Until the credit crunch, borrowing was manageable and at its worst was 40 something billion a year. A lot of our spending that is responsible for the current mess is because Labour gave too much in tax credits and other hand outs, but I haven't heard any family saying that or offering to give them up and after 2 years, why haven't the Tories got rid of them?

Even with the Universal Credit, errr IDS wants to have until the end of next year to bring it in, errr ehy?

[Jilly]

Originally Posted by Styker

Not really. At least they won outright majorities unlike this shower! Until the credit crunch, borrowing was manageable and at its worst was 40 something billion a year. A lot of our spending that is responsible for the current mess is because Labour gave too much in tax credits and other hand outs, but I haven't heard any family saying that or offering to give them up and after 2 years, why haven't the Tories got rid of them?

Even with the Universal Credit, errr IDS wants to have until the end of next year to bring it in, errr ehy?

You have missed that the benefits system is being overhauled?

But at least you have acknowledged that Labour gave away more than we could afford. People relying on the State suits Labour it buys them votes.

[Styker]

Originally Posted by Jilly

You have missed that the benefits system is being overhauled?

But at least you have acknowledged that Labour gave away more than we could afford. People relying on the State suits Labour it buys them votes.

No see the last bit of my post that you quoted.

[Jilly]

Originally Posted by Styker

No see the last bit of my post that you quoted.

You have added that on

[jmclaugh]

Well you can't have one until 2015 unless parliament is dissolved.

[johnnybgoode83]

Originally Posted by Jilly

The trouble is the Labour Government shafted us.

Every government for decades has shafted us. It's not just Labour.

Why won't voters realise this?

[Styker]

Originally Posted by Jilly

You have added that on

No it was there from the begining, it was even there in your reply quote but you didn't read that far by the looks of it, any answer on why the universal credit is taking so long to roll out?

IDS worked on it for years in opposition, he really should have had it rolled out by now.

[Styker]

Originally Posted by jmclaugh

Well you can't have one until 2015 unless parliament is dissolved.

A vote of no confidence can overide this stupid fixed term law and in general there is NO law that cannot be undone or ammended.

[Jilly]

Why do posters on the left completely ignore the mess Labour left and think everyone has forgotten after 2 years.

[Soppyfan]

Because they're born that way.

[Aneechik]

The problem with an election is that it would result in a Labour government, and that would be at least as bad as the current shower and probably a lot worse.

[Soppyfan]

It would be suicide for our economy and there would be severe repercussions which I can only imagine.

[blueisthecolour]

Originally Posted by Jilly

Why do posters on the left completely ignore the mess Labour left and think everyone has forgotten after 2 years.

I think that they are sceptical as to how much our problems were the fault of the Labour government as opposed to the conservative 'light touch' regulation agenda which lead to the banking crisis.

[tysonstorm]

Originally Posted by Jilly

Why do posters on the left completely ignore the mess Labour left and think everyone has forgotten after 2 years.

Not a Leftie myself however if you are implying Labour are to the Left you are gravely mistaken. Lefties from what I see just see Labour as the lesser of 2 evils. Thankfully many have now wisened up and are throwing their support behind the Greens.

And just because someone hates the Tories it doesn't make them a Labour supporter, I'll add that the same notion works vice versa too.

[tysonstorm]

Originally Posted by Soppyfan

It would be suicide for our economy and there would be severe repercussions which I can only imagine.

The economy is already dead.

[Annsyre]

Originally Posted by Styker

A vote of no confidence can overide this stupid fixed term law and in general there is NO law that cannot be undone or ammended.

The only people who can undo it are the people who passed it into law in the first place - the current Parliament.

[Julie68]

I would love a general election but I would also make it where Labour, Conservative and Liberals are disqualified and can not be voted for..

[moonburn]

I think the Tories Kicking off and the Right wing press would rather just
get rid of the libdems and coast through.Its the Enonomy will make or break the tories
even if they just sit in power for the next 2 years doing nothing on new legislation and work on that.

Still think the Joker in the pack is libdems removing Clegg as leader that seems very farfetched at the moment but once the grass roots reach a place of having enough its over for Clegg.I think the guardians comments about him today really say a lot about his state of mind.He's coming across as a hypocrite and doesnt even realise it.

[paulschapman]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

The economy is already dead.

GDP Larger than 2010 http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp

Unemployment Rate going down http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...mployment-rate

Inflation going down http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit.../inflation-cpi

Exports up http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports

There is life in the old girl yet.

[Styker]

Originally Posted by Jilly

Why do posters on the left completely ignore the mess Labour left and think everyone has forgotten after 2 years.

Originally Posted by Soppyfan

Because they're born that way.

2 Years is more than enough time to see if a Government is working or not. Alistair Darling had us out of recession within a year of it coming to light and this shower has reversed everything he did and now GDP figures are what, Minus 1.1% and getting worse still?!!!!!

Originally Posted by Annsyre

The only people who can undo it are the people who passed it into law in the first place - the current Parliament.

If the Libs walk out of the coalition, the votes will be there to undo the stupid fixed term law and the right wing Tory backbenchers would probably support a vote in a no confidence in order to get rid of the Libs and as they think they can win on their own which they won't. The Tory right wing are a liability to them and really should join UKIP.

Originally Posted by moonburn

I think the Tories Kicking off and the Right wing press would rather just
get rid of the libdems and coast through.Its the Enonomy will make or break the tories
even if they just sit in power for the next 2 years doing nothing on new legislation and work on that.

Still think the Joker in the pack is libdems removing Clegg as leader that seems very farfetched at the moment but once the grass roots reach a place of having enough its over for Clegg.I think the guardians comments about him today really say a lot about his state of mind.He's coming across as a hypocrite and doesnt even realise it.

You think Clegg is an asset to them? They are better of getting rid of him and maybe getting Tim Farron in, if he can be genuine and stick to their policies no matter what and not sell out again.

[Jilly]

Originally Posted by tysonstorm

Not a Leftie myself however if you are implying Labour are to the Left you are gravely mistaken. Lefties from what I see just see Labour as the lesser of 2 evils. Thankfully many have now wisened up and are throwing their support behind the Greens.

And just because someone hates the Tories it doesn't make them a Labour supporter, I'll add that the same notion works vice versa too.

I neither said all that are Left of Conservative are Labour or that anyone who hates the Tories have to be Labour. That is why I used the word Left.

[Tassium]

Really true-blue Conservatives should hate this lot currently in power.

Maybe they do but hate for Labour is stronger?

An election is the only way the Conservative party can truly renew itself, it was merely hijacked from 1997 by some weird version of New Labour.

[penelopesimpson]

Originally Posted by Jilly

Why do posters on the left completely ignore the mess Labour left and think everyone has forgotten after 2 years.

It is weird, isn't it? It so weakens their case. I can always be persuaded if the arguments are strong enough and founded in fact, but all the tribal toff=bad, left=good is just so infantile.