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Old 08-10-2012, 19:42
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How they get them in the bottom 2 isn't exactly hard to see, or how their story in the show changes as they go through their 3 arcs. Which govern most forms of entertainment.

How long their story last just varies by how expendable they are. Carolyne had already been used up for Saturday's strange song choice. Rylan has to camp it up for at least another couple of weeks for the big production numbers to grab attention during the first live shows.

Then they will give him his chance to redeem himself by stripping it back and showing he is a 'serious' artist. At which point the public bore of him, he is no longer needed for the big productions, ends up in bottom 2 and is booted out.

Lucy will be Devlin'd after a few weeks.

You can call most of it easily.
You talk about it as if the public don't have a mind of their own. I don't know if I believe they're as gullible as that. Maybe it's just because I've always had my favourites from early on, well before the live shows usually, and they've always been ones to go far. The ones I disliked I normally disliked from their audition and nothing changed my mind one way or another. So I don't exactly have much to say about good people going out earlier because they've rarely been favourites of mine so it hasn't mattered as much.

I believe the show is manipulated, but I also believe that the manipulation can only go so far. They have no control over the votes, people who are well liked are going to go far no matter what the they do.
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:26
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Last week X Factor was the #1 show on UK TV (ITV1+HD) with 9.41m viewers for the Sunday show.

Among the target demographic of 16-34, X Factor held a massive 114% over the second highest rated non soap show on TV (Take Me Out).

It was the most watched show with children 4-15, adults 35-44 (by a margin of 45%), adults 45-54 (by a margin of 18%) and housewives with children (by a margin of 81%).

Additionally, X Factor was the most popular show on TV last week among men of all ages, with 1m more men watching X Factor than watched either Match of the Day or ITV's Champions League coverage.

(+1 not included).
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Old 10-10-2012, 14:34
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You talk about it as if the public don't have a mind of their own. I don't know if I believe they're as gullible as that. Maybe it's just because I've always had my favourites from early on, well before the live shows usually, and they've always been ones to go far. The ones I disliked I normally disliked from their audition and nothing changed my mind one way or another. So I don't exactly have much to say about good people going out earlier because they've rarely been favourites of mine so it hasn't mattered as much.

I believe the show is manipulated, but I also believe that the manipulation can only go so far. They have no control over the votes, people who are well liked are going to go far no matter what the they do.
It's a personality contest above all, and if opinion of personalities weren't so easily swayed by how people are presented then no forms of entertainment would work at all. The backstories, the sob-stories, all there to build up the characters ready for their stories to unfold in the lives. BB does exactly the same thing with editing. Both shows also heavily playing into stereotypes to make it all as easy to digest for the viewer as possible.

XF also heavily manipulates things with song-choices, the nature of the performances, and the judges to sell the current narratives about each on to the public. Interspersed with VT's and drama to colour the perception of each character as they go along and make it all match up.

If you want an example of how easily viewers are swayed just watch how certain words or criticism are parroted on the forum according to what was said about each contestant that night.

This many years into it they have it down to a T.
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Old 10-10-2012, 19:00
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Last week X Factor was the #1 show on UK TV (ITV1+HD) with 9.41m viewers for the Sunday show.

Among the target demographic of 16-34, X Factor held a massive 114% over the second highest rated non soap show on TV (Take Me Out).

It was the most watched show with children 4-15, adults 35-44 (by a margin of 45%), adults 45-54 (by a margin of 18%) and housewives with children (by a margin of 81%).

Additionally, X Factor was the most popular show on TV last week among men of all ages, with 1m more men watching X Factor than watched either Match of the Day or ITV's Champions League coverage.

(+1 not included).
Didn't Downton beat it?

When the officials come out for next week I don't think it'll beat XF.

Looking at the 2.8m that switched over to Xtra Factor to see why Gary walked off etc, that shows that people did not care that it was on, and once it was all over Twitter, people began to tune in but they missed the whole controversy, so therefore they decided to switch over to ITV2 to catch the rest of it. If that 2.8m stayed on ITV1 then that would have given ITV1 a peak of at least 13.8m (and however many on +1).

That's my rather confusing theory.
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Old 14-10-2012, 10:22
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Not looking good.

I see from the ratings thread an average of 8.68m and 10.2m peak (inc +1). I'll try and get more details.
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Old 14-10-2012, 10:56
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Not looking good.

I see from the ratings thread an average of 8.68m and 10.2m peak (inc +1). I'll try and get more details.
XF average 9.01m and peaked at 9.89m (thread has been updated since Hassan pasted)

SCD 43.5% share to XF 36%

Although last year Week 2 was lower than Week 1, this years drop is bigger and with an already smaller audience. You have to say the scripted controversy hasn't worked
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:02
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XF average 9.01m and peaked at 9.89m (thread has been updated since Hassan pasted)

SCD 43.5% share to XF 36%

Although last year Week 2 was lower than Week 1, this years drop is bigger and with an already smaller audience. You have to say the scripted controversy hasn't worked
Really should be the other way round.

What can they really to boost those ratings? Looking at last years overnights, it's only 1.12m below last years performance show (excluding +1) which had 9.8 and 39.1% share.

Could some specific guest boost the ratings?
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:03
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I dont worry about ratings.

I watch xfactor and never watch Strictly

Luckily i can watch xfactor later on the other ITVs as im almost always out on a saturday night when live shows on..

Does strictly have a rerun show?
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:03
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So the publicity stunt did actually turn off viewers
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:04
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It is still getting good ratings. Obviously not the power ratings it was getting when Cowell, Cole and Minogue were there but still good nevertheless .

I am not a fan of the personally, it's just sooo repetitive now, but people still tune in.
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:05
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Really should be the other way round.

What can they really to boost those ratings? Looking at last years overnights, it's only 1.12m below last years performance show (excluding +1) which had 9.8 and 39.1% share.

Could some specific guest boost the ratings?
What did SCD get in ratings?
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:05
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Really should be the other way round.

What can they really to boost those ratings? Looking at last years overnights, it's only 1.12m below last years performance show (excluding +1) which had 9.8 and 39.1% share.

Could some specific guest boost the ratings?
I don't think there's anything to do to arrest a decline now. It'll rise towards the end because the last few shows do well.

Cowell returning may boost things but I don't think the current panel works so well.

And then there's last weeks' debacle. It probably turned off a lot of the people who were under the illusion it was still a real contest
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:05
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It's down on last week, that averaged 9.2m including +1.

They do need to match last years however. Simon must be thinking of something.
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:08
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They really shot themselves in the foot this time with the Rylan/Carolynne nonsense. It's the same script year in year out. I have never watched SCD all theway through but I did last night. No adverts, a good mix of dancers, no sob stories. I really enjoyed it.
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:08
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What did SCD get in ratings?
Strictly had 9.9m average (43.5%) peaked with 11.3m (46%)

Without +1, XF averaged 8.68m (36.2% share) peaked with 9.89m (39.8% share).
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:26
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Let me remind you, I think Corrie is on before XF. I don't know if it'll benefit from that lead-in but it should at least be better than last night. That's my only hope.
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Old 14-10-2012, 11:44
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Strictly had 9.9m average (43.5%) peaked with 11.3m (46%)

Without +1, XF averaged 8.68m (36.2% share) peaked with 9.89m (39.8% share).
Wow Strictly doing well

Must say they have some real likeable contestants this year with Kimberly, Victoria Pendleton etc..
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Old 14-10-2012, 12:19
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I thought it would backfire, too early to pull a stunt that involves trust.
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Old 14-10-2012, 12:24
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Really should be the other way round.

What can they really to boost those ratings? Looking at last years overnights, it's only 1.12m below last years performance show (excluding +1) which had 9.8 and 39.1% share.

Could some specific guest boost the ratings?
And how can they tell who actually watched the show? It could have been on in the background with no-one watching, or the TV could have been left on as a security measure when the people were out?
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Old 14-10-2012, 12:27
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It will change next year, when Cowell is back on it. It was the same with BGT this year, however X factor is a lot bigger than BGT, so X Factor could come back with some force. They really need to get rid of Barlow and Tulisa. Probably time for a new host aswell. X Factor has always had changes for the next season, however since Cowell has left, everything's been samey. Nothing new, and definitely not bigger.
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Old 14-10-2012, 12:35
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It will change next year, when Cowell is back on it. It was the same with BGT this year, however X factor is a lot bigger than BGT, so X Factor could come back with some force. They really need to get rid of Barlow and Tulisa. Probably time for a new host aswell. X Factor has always had changes for the next season, however since Cowell has left, everything's been samey. Nothing new, and definitely not bigger.
It is like all shows, etc that have outstayed their welcome.

For example, Police Academy was a funny film, which got less funny as it went though it's sequels until Policy Academy 6 was pathetic.

X Factor is the same. The first show was interesting, but after a number of years watching the same type of acts, the same comments from the judges, the same analysis on the Xtra Factor it has all become stale.

It will be interesting to see if the number of people voting has dropped - as that would appear to be the show's main source of income.
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Old 14-10-2012, 12:38
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And how can they tell who actually watched the show? I
They have no idea who watches the show - viewing figures are only estimates from a sample of about 5000 households.
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Old 14-10-2012, 16:56
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Xtra Factor has been slightly up on last year (the Sunday show in particular) especially considering last week.

If it falls below 8 million again tonight then there's a bit of an issue. Results for previous second live show results:

2011: 11.35m (40.5%) peaking with 12.25m (41.9%)
2010: 13.42m (46.7%) peaking with 15.2m
2009: 13.17m (46.7%) peaking with 14.8m (49.8%)
2008: 7.87m (39.7%)
2007: 7.16m (30.9%)

If it averages 9m, it'll be the lowest since 2008.
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Old 14-10-2012, 17:19
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There is no chance of it getting anywhere near 11m so it is going to be the lowest since 2008 anyway. Would be good to finally see it break 10m but I doubt it will. At least the gap is narrowing though.

This series is finally getting into its stride but 11 weeks in, is it good enough? They just need to hope they keep a stable audience between now and December, and moving forward they should try to get the same judges back for consistency (unless Simon decides to return for a bit of PR).
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Old 15-10-2012, 00:28
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It is like all shows, etc that have outstayed their welcome.

For example, Police Academy was a funny film, which got less funny as it went though it's sequels until Policy Academy 6 was pathetic.

X Factor is the same. The first show was interesting, but after a number of years watching the same type of acts, the same comments from the judges, the same analysis on the Xtra Factor it has all become stale.

It will be interesting to see if the number of people voting has dropped - as that would appear to be the show's main source of income.
bgt with alesha and walliams did really well tbf. 13m watched the final
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