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Old 07-10-2013, 13:49
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Just proves that the overall ratings don't always give the whole picture. ITV would have The X Factor any day over Strictly as I can't name another show that gets even close to that figure in the 16-34 demo.
Absolutely. Even with the declines it's still an incredibly valuable show for ITV and as you say, they'd take it over Strictly any day of the week because of its audience profile.
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:09
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Looks like its best for XF to avoid Strictly at all costs on Sunday anyway. The demos seem to keep it going though.

I don't know how they are going to do it, but they are going to have to try and gain momentum ahead of next week if they don't want figures to go backwards again.

Bootcamp timeshifted to 8.96m and 10.50m respectively. The series average is currently 9.96m.
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:41
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Expected much more though, but the peak is decent.
The peak is terrible, down on Saturday. The average looks much better in comparison. The peak in Gamu's year was over 16m for the same episode
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Old 07-10-2013, 14:57
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Just proves that the overall ratings don't always give the whole picture. ITV would have The X Factor any day over Strictly as I can't name another show that gets even close to that figure in the 16-34 demo.
But ITV like all broadcasters like to boast about big ratings and beating the opposition.
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Old 07-10-2013, 15:15
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But ITV like all broadcasters like to boast about big ratings and beating the opposition.
And ABC1 viewers! Only Downton comes close to SCD for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRS_social_grade
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Old 07-10-2013, 16:55
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The peak is terrible, down on Saturday. The average looks much better in comparison. The peak in Gamu's year was over 16m for the same episode
There's absolutely no point in comparing to 2010.

The average is down on Saturday slightly.
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Old 07-10-2013, 16:58
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The peak is terrible, down on Saturday. The average looks much better in comparison. The peak in Gamu's year was over 16m for the same episode
The peak isn't terrible at all. It's still decent compared to the average.

But ITV like all broadcasters like to boast about big ratings and beating the opposition.
That isn't going to earn them money though.
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Old 07-10-2013, 20:32
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The peak isn't terrible at all. It's still decent compared to the average.
When the peak is quite a lot higher than the average, either the average was dented due to a clash, or the audience built up as it went along.

I think the scheduling hasn't helped it in recent weeks. Consistent scheduling helped it sustain an audience in the auditions.

Below is a five-minute breakdown for X Factor on Saturday (exc +1).

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20:00 - 5.90m
20:05 - 7.13m
20:10 - 7.03m
20:15 - 5.50m <-- commercial
20:20 - 8.20m
20:25 - 9.21m
20:30 - 8.09m <-- commercial
20;35 - 8.93m
20:40 - 9.16m
20;45 - 7.65m <-- commercial
20:50 - 9.49m
20:55 - 9.66m 
21:00 - 8.30m <-- commercial
21:05 - 9.01m
21:10 - 9.66m 
21:15 - 9.47m
21:20 - 7.42m <-- commercial
21:25 - 8.95m
21:30 - 8.97m
21:35 - 7.13m <-- commercial
21:40 - 8.18m
21:45 - 6.92m
In the clash period (20:00-20:25), SCD had 9.45m vs. TXF's 6.75m. Looks like the audience particularly tailed off after 9:15pm but it peaked twice with 9.66m.

Maybe it would be better if it was to start at around 7pm?

Looking ahead to the first live show, I've noted the figures for the Saturday performance show and where there has/hasn't been a clash.

2008: 10.36m (44.1%) - no clash
2009: 11.31m (43.8%) - 75 minute clash
2010: 12.23m (48.5%) - 5 minute clash
2011: 10.43m (40.3%) / 10.94m (42.5%) - 30 minute clash
2012: 8.68m (33.9%) / 9.06m (35.8%) - no clash
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Old 07-10-2013, 20:50
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What did XF get last night?
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Old 07-10-2013, 20:58
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What did XF get last night?
8.07m (32.8%) / 8.43m (34.3%).
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:10
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8.07m (32.8%) / 8.43m (34.3%).
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:27
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The show's now an average entertainment show. Like Strictly, The Voice, Saturday Night Takeaway etc. Not the event viewing of past.
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:29
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The show's now an average entertainment show. Like Strictly, The Voice, Saturday Night Takeaway etc. Not the event viewing of past.
I guess we can say that about all entertainment series nowadays.
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:38
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I guess we can say that about all entertainment series nowadays.
X Factor just had a nice few years of flying high since Cowell at one stage knew exactly what he was doing and was relentless in pursuing it further.
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:40
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X Factor just had a nice few years of flying high since Cowell at one stage knew exactly what he was doing and was relentless in pursuing it further.
Do you reckon the figures will go up if Cowell returns?

Though, he doesn't stop BGT dipping to 7m...
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Old 07-10-2013, 21:44
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Do you reckon the figures will go up if Cowell returns?

Though, he doesn't stop BGT dipping to 7m...
No because it wasn't just him or his onscreen personality. It was many things falling into place at once. He was on form both on screen and producer wise, he had Cheryl Cole there, the contestants were a great mix of quality and not so quality (but real characters) etc etc.

I've never rated BGT myself. Feels ghastly so much of the time. So much more to work with with TXF format. BGT is lucky in that it is far shorter, more of a 'fun' thing, and has Ant & Dec. Those things imo cover its shortcomings.
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Old 08-10-2013, 09:15
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No because it wasn't just him or his onscreen personality. It was many things falling into place at once. He was on form both on screen and producer wise, he had Cheryl Cole there, the contestants were a great mix of quality and not so quality (but real characters) etc etc.

I've never rated BGT myself. Feels ghastly so much of the time. So much more to work with with TXF format. BGT is lucky in that it is far shorter, more of a 'fun' thing, and has Ant & Dec. Those things imo cover its shortcomings.
He did keep the show together almost, but I feel that some acts which have gotten through in previous years, would not have gotten through had he been there. It's not as exciting as it was before, where you'd be interested to hear what he was going to say after each performance.

The twist in series 8 must have been his idea (sending four acts home in week 1) as they did the same thing on XF USA a few weeks later. The wildcard vote, the wildcard act being in the bottom two the next week was a bit of a mess.

In regards to BGT, it relies more on the acts rather than the hosts/judges, if we were to look at why series 3 was so successful.
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Old 08-10-2013, 13:01
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every dog has its day - while viewing habits have changed, the glory days have gone. 10 years now and I think people have grown tired of the show. I've found the live shows tiresome for around 3 years now
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Old 08-10-2013, 14:49
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every dog has its day -
unfortunately this is not the case, most new shows get 3-5 million.

every now and again you'll get a surprise hit or a massively hyped show like the voice that can do a bit more.

if anyone could come up with one idea that could bring in 10 million viewers then you'd never have to work again.
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Old 08-10-2013, 15:17
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No because it wasn't just him or his onscreen personality. It was many things falling into place at once. He was on form both on screen and producer wise, he had Cheryl Cole there, the contestants were a great mix of quality and not so quality (but real characters) etc etc.

I've never rated BGT myself. Feels ghastly so much of the time. So much more to work with with TXF format. BGT is lucky in that it is far shorter, more of a 'fun' thing, and has Ant & Dec. Those things imo cover its shortcomings.
The problem with the show since is that each year built on the last, culminating with series 7. But even though things were probably set up, it did seem to evolve quite naturally and then they stuck to a rigid model during series 8 and 9 and ended up casting everything from the judges to the contestants to be identical of that from series 5-7, but a poorer version. It's only really this year where they've managed to break away from that model and seem to just let them get on with it, but it seems a little bit too late. I guess we'll have to see over the next few weeks.

The natural evolution for series 8 should've been to have Gary, Tulisa and Louis joined by Nicole Scherzinger, who went down extremely well in 2010 and it would've been natural continuity especially as her solo career was at its height in 2011. She could have easily achieved 'Cheryl' status and kept the ratings and media interest up, but that seems an impossible task for her now. They were simply too late.

But the encouraging thing is, it seems to have halted the drastic declines of the previous two years and this year appears to be getting good feedback, and so they now have a solid audience base to work from for next year onwards.
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Old 08-10-2013, 19:30
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Series ratings to date:

Auditions 1: 8.78m (40%) / 9.20m (41.9%)
Auditions 2: 9.21m (36.2%) / 9.94m (39.1%)
Auditions 3: 7.94m (36.3%) / 8.30m (37.9%)
Auditions 4: 9.11m (35.5%) / 9.64m (37.6%)
Auditions 5: 8.65m (40%) / 9.06m (41.9%)
Auditions 6: 9.08m (34.7%) / 9.64m (36.8%)
Auditions 7: 8.46m (38.2%) / 8.83m (39.9%)
Auditions 8: 9.42m (37.3%) / 9.83m (38.9%)

Bootcamp 1: 7.60m (34.6%) / 7.83m (35.6%)
Bootcamp 2: 9.18m (37.3%) / 9.47m (38.5%)

Judges Houses 1: 8.18m (34.8%) / 8.48m (36.1%)
Judges Houses 2: 8.07m (32.8%) / 8.43m (34.3%)

Current series average is 8.64m (36.5%) / 9.05m (38.2%).

At the same stage last year, the series average was 8.58m (35.9%) / 9.03m (37.8%), although there was one less episode last year compared to this year. Last year's ratings up to judges houses are below:

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So this series to date is up by 0.7% / 0.2% on last year in volume. Had bootcamp and judges houses rated better, it would have been further ahead. That gap could go either way when the live shows start though.
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Old 10-10-2013, 15:52
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The 5-minute breakdown for Sunday (exc +1).

Code:
19:10 - 6.00m 
19:15 - 6.93m
19:20 - 6.32m
19:25 - 6.09m --> commercial
19:30 - 7.74m
19:35 - 7.68m
19:40 - 6.29m --> commercial
19:45 - 8.24m
19:50 - 8.35m
19:55 - 6.83m --> commercial
20:00 - 9.11m
20:05 - 9.50m
20:10 - 7.52m --> commercial
20:15 - 9.25m
20:20 - 9.62m
20:25 - 8.37m --> commercial
20:30 - 8.81m
20:35 - 9.68m
20:40 - 9.48m
20:45 - 7.57m --> commercial 
20:50 - 9.29m
20:55 - 8.92m
It averaged 8.07m. The 19:10-20:00 portion was clearly hurt.

Removing commercials, I get an average figure of 8.43m.

Had it run from 20:00 to 21:00, it would have averaged 8.93m - if you remove commercials from that it would have averaged 9.30m.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:22
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I would have started it at 19:45 personally, it was way too padded.
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Old 10-10-2013, 18:14
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So this series to date is up by 0.7% / 0.2% on last year in volume. Had bootcamp and judges houses rated better, it would have been further ahead. That gap could go either way when the live shows start though.
I wonder what went wrong for bootcamp and judges houses to do so badly in comparison to last year? This series had a comfortable 7% lead over last year until the auditions ended. Very strange.

On to this weekend, SCD is on 6.30-8.30pm, X Factor from 8-10.15pm, almost identical scheduling to last years first live show, where the figures were SCD (6.30-7.45pm) on 8.72m and X Factor (8-10.20pm) on 8.68m/380k.

It was a weekend earlier last year so SCD was a week earlier in the competition too; the equivalent weekend in 2012 saw SCD get 9.91m between 6.30pm-8.30pm and X Factor get 8.68m/+331k from 8.20pm-10.35pm.

So it will be interesting to see where this years first live show will fall, although I expect SCD will be on about 9.5m and X Factor will get around 8.5m. I think both will be a little bit down.
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Old 10-10-2013, 19:16
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I wonder what went wrong for bootcamp and judges houses to do so badly in comparison to last year? This series had a comfortable 7% lead over last year until the auditions ended. Very strange.

On to this weekend, SCD is on 6.30-8.30pm, X Factor from 8-10.15pm, almost identical scheduling to last years first live show, where the figures were SCD (6.30-7.45pm) on 8.72m and X Factor (8-10.20pm) on 8.68m/380k.

It was a weekend earlier last year so SCD was a week earlier in the competition too; the equivalent weekend in 2012 saw SCD get 9.91m between 6.30pm-8.30pm and X Factor get 8.68m/+331k from 8.20pm-10.35pm.

So it will be interesting to see where this years first live show will fall, although I expect SCD will be on about 9.5m and X Factor will get around 8.5m. I think both will be a little bit down.
Either the length of the show/scheduling or the bootcamp twist turned people off. Ratings actually went up at bootcamp last year if we're going on the adjusted figures, although they went back down and weren't beaten until the final.

They are unbelievably padding it out this year. There wasn't any need for two 110 minute shows this weekend.They could have squeezed all the performances in 90-100 minutes on Saturday, and the results in an hour on Sunday.

Last year, they didn't clash for the first live show but subsequent weeks saw X Factor starting at 20:20 to try and avoid Strictly as much as possible which was a bit of a silly move.

The length of the show is definitely going to take off some viewers from what it could have gotten. XF is not in the position where it can run for 150 minutes and still hold onto an audience without any real signs of it being dented.

They haven't changed the set this year much, which they kind of needed to to make it feel a bit more fresh. I think this weekend's figures are down to how much momentum has been gained this week. Huge momentum could see it near to 10m but I'm not counting on it. Somewhere in the 8m range would be more realistic.
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